To the Indian members here-why the special treatment for Kerala fishermen ?

[Screambowl]

Indian fishermen get killed or abducted very often in the ocean. Srilanka, pakistan etc all harass our fishermen. So why are we making such a hue and cry now ? Is it because the killed fishermen are from Kerala ? When are going to protest against sri-lanka for killing Tamils ? When are we going to protest against pakistan for placing hundreds of Indian fishermen in jail ?

For two Kerala fishermen, the state gets involved, the central government gets involved, the judiciary....everyone suddenly wants to protest...

Discrimination ?

it is not about Kerela it is about India. Italian marines should have not shot without knowing the actual fact. Next time if Italian cargo comes and our coastguard mistakenly fires at them thinking it is a North Korean cargo if the communication between both the vessels dont establish, then again it will be worrisome for both nation's relations.

 

[Kaniska]

I explained this in another thread.

India is treating this incident as a milestone to test/showcase India's new standing in the global order.

You do not understand my point...This is a perceptional issue......Rather than people of my nation, i am talking about politician of my nation....





Interesting!
So you think Indian Muslims are traitors at heart who favor Pakistan over India?

.it is not a matter what Indian Muslim think, rather unfortunately it is secular Indian politician of my nation think that by favoring Pakistan they are doing favor to Indian Muslim people.

 

[Nisha]

For me, it doesn;t matter. If Indian fishermen are being attacked, India should do something about it period. As for the Tamil fishermen, their govt should make a big deal out of it like Kerala. Tamil Nadu has allowed many fishermen's deaths to disappear from the media limelight. They should have put more resources in the water to monitor the situation. Also, who knows if these fishermen were involved with smuggling and contraband to the LTTE?

 

[bronxbull]

that bullshit.....unless india stopped supporting the ltte, they had no connections with western groups.....and almost all the top honchos of ltte were practising saivite hindus..only after india abandoned the ltte they had to look for alternate sources of funding and the western groups filled the vaccuum. Stil prabhakaran himself raised his second son, the kid, a hindu......

and guess who aided prabhakaran in killing the TULF along with EPRLF, PLOTE......yeah its RAW.......



no its not....by agreement they were bound to let us fish in the waters......




ltte this...ltte that......ltte has been dead for 4 years now......what is the rationale for shooting fishermen even now....last week some fishermen were again fired upon.....




yeah blame everything on dmk.....i can clearly sense a caste anti-pathy in your posts......




so what ? they were supposed to sit quiet in face of the state backed discrimination against them.....?

and anyway that is not the problem now with the ltte done, dusted and buried.....so why are the fishermen being attacked even now ?

Why should i not blame the DMK?

How did he managed to screw up the situation in 2years and get his government dismissed and is still around shamelessly?

Boss,tell me one reason why i shouldn't blame those bunch of incompetent morons for confusing the whole society.

He neither has the balls nor brains to run a straight government.

why should i study about his screwed up life story in viith std tamil text book.

The LTTE is done and dusted but their supporters are quite alive,you do realise that the navy has their personnel have their suspicions,

I wont be surprised to find their supporters in Nagapattinam/Pattukottai.

And our fishermen are always aggressive on the sea and ready for a fight.

I ll blame our coast guard for not policing it well but if you look at the situation more clearly,you ll see why the SL navy has to be cautious?

RAW had nothing to do with the murders after MGR's death,it was all their own doing and this happened a slate as 1989 when Amirthalingam was murdered.

I am not even saying western groups,it could easily be anything in Srilanka.

I hate the DMk for their incompetence,lack of basic decency and integrity and their ability to fool the tamil people into emtoional doom and horror everbtuallu.

And not to forget for raping performing private sector companies,for making the rivers dry,for destroying public sanitation and for making government employees and public servants as agents for bogus voting eveyr 5 years.

I know very well that the people of TN dont care about this and we all know where it has taken them.

 

[Kazhugu]

Why should i not blame the DMK?

How did he managed to screw up the situation in 2years and get his government dismissed and is still around shamelessly?

Boss,tell me one reason why i shouldn't blame those bunch of incompetent morons for confusing the whole society.

He neither has the balls nor brains to run a straight government.

why should i study about his screwed up life story in viith std tamil text book.

The LTTE is done and dusted but their supporters are quite alive,you do realise that the navy has their personnel have their suspicions,

I wont be surprised to find their supporters in Nagapattinam/Pattukottai.

And our fishermen are always aggressive on the sea and ready for a fight.

I ll blame our coast guard for not policing it well but if you look at the situation more clearly,you ll see why the SL navy has to be cautious?

RAW had nothing to do with the murders after MGR's death,it was all their own doing and this happened a slate as 1989 when Amirthalingam was murdered.

I am not even saying western groups,it could easily be anything in Srilanka.

RAW had everything to with the elimination of all competing groups like EPRLF, PLOTE and then TULF....RAW wanted its efforts concentrated in only one group so that the resistance is effective......and energy is not wasted in in-fighting.....

coming to your points about DMK.....first of all his life history is not there in any standard book......

and as far as his govt is concerned..he is not any worse than jaya...both are corrupt scum bags and two sides of the same coin....but you will find no fault with her...she is ok....why ?

and the only one confusing the people is you.....it is not about any party....its about the people....i support the lankan tamilians not because of any DMK ADMK partisan issue.....but because they are tamils.....and they are saivites........ just like me......im very clear....ur the one conflating that protests with DMK and hence running it down.......

And not to forget for raping performing private sector companies,for making the rivers dry,for destroying public sanitation and for making government employees and public servants as agents for bogus voting eveyr 5 years.

all this has been done by jaya too.......as i said both are two sides of the same coin.....the protests right now apolitical....dont bring in your partisan political idealogies into it......

 

[Secur]

@Shabz Nist

They are arrested when they cross the International border according to the maritime laws ! The same happens to the Pakistani fisherman crossing the other side so I wonder what sort of action do you want against their arrest ...

 

[Sashan]

Thats always the problem,

These guys even went to the extent of doing serious sabotage and killed Rajiv in 1991.

If Tamil Nationalism was so important,then there wud have been no Congress/Communist in 1947 or before.

If we have to save TN from the scoundrels of DK/DMK,we have to adopt this strategy.

Else TN ll become a wasteland and pretty much like Ealam.

The problem is a mixed,divisive and flawed personalities like Periyar/Anna/Mu ka are over hero worshipped in TN just like some washed up commies in WB.

Someone who called Aug 15,1947 a black day and tried talking to Jinnah about separation cant be hero worshipped in India.

Admired/appreciated is okay but state board students today put Kamaraj/Periyar/Anna on the same plank,which is atrocious.

Of course congressmen like Rajaji/Ma Po Si are big villains.



Yeah but Prabhakaran's group were slaughtering Saiva Velallars in Colombo and anyone who stood against him got slaughtered.

Somehow the christians of Srilanka in both Sinhalese/Tamil had nothing happening to them but the saiva vellalrs of TULF died one by one.

As @Kazhugu pointed out why am I sensing a hate for everything TN symbolizes today? And how ridiculous you sound when you attribute Rajiv killings to DMK or other TN parties? And TN is one of the leaders today among various states. It did not turn into Bihar which proves the Dravidian politics succeeded. Granted Brahmins suffered big time and I have my sympathies for them and having suffered myself from reservation system in TN, I advocate reforms. But beyond that, if leaders like Rajaji had their way, TN would have lost its cultural identity. Point to me what is that which TN lacks today? It contributes more than its fair share of GDP to India and is in top 5 states in various developmental indices.

 

[aakash_2410]

Indian fishermen get killed or abducted very often in the ocean. Srilanka, pakistan etc all harass our fishermen. So why are we making such a hue and cry now ? Is it because the killed fishermen are from Kerala ? When are going to protest against sri-lanka for killing Tamils ? When are we going to protest against pakistan for placing hundreds of Indian fishermen in jail ?

For two Kerala fishermen, the state gets involved, the central government gets involved, the judiciary....everyone suddenly wants to protest...

Discrimination ?

Idiotic thread to start!

It is not about which states fishermen are dying! It is about India trying to send a very big message out to the world.

The message is "Indian laws are same for everyone, no matter where they're from." and India will no longer listen to these tiny European countries still living in colonial era.

 

[Nisha]

Biggest problem in India is Caste...One of the few ppl I admire for the work he did over 200 yrs ago. I know its off topic, but since we are bringing up regionalism, Brahmins, etc to this debate......I think unless India is truly united, we will never move forward. Issues like regionalism and caste keep us apart. We should do al we can to integrate our ppl fully.



Jyotirao Phule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Sashan]

Idiotic thread to start!

It is not about which states fishermen are dying! It is about India trying to send a very big message out to the world.

The message is "Indian laws are same for everyone, no matter where they're from." and India will no longer listen to these tiny European countries still living in colonial era.

First stop listening to the tiny islands like SL. India has decided to take on China with its hawkish position in Akshai chin - I don't understand why the f**k many Indians chicken out taking on SL.

 

[bronxbull]

As @Kazhugu pointed out why am I sensing a hate for everything TN symbolizes today? And how ridiculous you sound when you attribute Rajiv killings to DMK or other TN parties? And TN is one of the leaders today among various states. It did not turn into Bihar which proves the Dravidian politics succeeded. Granted Brahmins suffered big time and I have my sympathies for them and having suffered myself from reservation system in TN, I advocate reforms. But beyond that, if leaders like Rajaji had their way, TN would have lost its cultural identity. Point to me what is that which TN lacks today? It contributes more than its fair share of GDP to India and is in top 5 states in various developmental indices.

Thats what i find to be wierd,that just one party and one movement is now representing everything Tamil?

Other people who disagree are not?

Most of the industries in TN,the original ones are due to Congress/Rajaji/C Subramaniam/Kamaraj and so on....

People like Rajaji ll make TN lose its cultural dientity,nice joke?

Tamils dont loses their cultural identity in Malaysia/Australia and all,what cultural identity did these guys give us?

Periyar marrying a much younger girl,Anna having an affair with Bhanumathi and Mu ka marrying and laying wherever he wants and having an illegitimate kid.

This is indeed the culture,we need.

So these illicit morons have a story in tamil text book,even quaid e millat,some random muslim league leader does but Rajaji doesn't.

Hindi padingadannu sonnathu oru thappa?

Today hundreds of tamils land up in bombay all the time and struggle to get started and going,all because we have to save tamil identity.

I am shocked that these guys are torch bearers of the culture,for what?

This is why i have the hatred,

Reservation? mehh,the guys are good enough to crack the 31& quota,thats more than enough.

 

[bronxbull]

Biggest problem in India is Caste...One of the few ppl I admire for the work he did over 200 yrs ago. I know its off topic, but since we are bringing up regionalism, Brahmins, etc to this debate......I think unless India is truly united, we will never move forward. Issues like regionalism and caste keep us apart. We should do al we can to integrate our ppl fully.



Jyotirao Phule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thats fine but caste didn't create such a big problem until the british came over,how come?

First stop listening to the tiny islands like SL. India has decided to take on China with its hawkish position in Akshai chin - I don't understand why the f**k many Indians chicken out taking on SL.

Because of LTTE and Central government genuinely has no hatred for the Sinhalese.

 

[nair]

I was very sure about the outcome of this thread from first post...... That too with the sentiments and politics around SL issue....

I dono how many of us remember that Kerala is integral part of INDIA and so are the 20 odd states..... So look at the issue as 2 indian killed by 2 foreighn marines inside Indian territory.....I would say the same even the 2 killed are from any other state of india.... How many of us know which state the 2 army men got killed recently in LOC ( i am not trying to derail the thread or compare the death of soldier and fisherman - but stating a fact that it has nothing to do with state from where they are ) I do not remember because it doesnt matter what matters is they were indians..... I cant see anything beyond this....

I have a feeling this issue wouldnt have been this serious if they are from any other country (not ITALY)..... Lot of political parties are kind of attracted to the world ITALY.....

 

[Sashan]

Thats what i find to be wierd,that just one party and one movement is now representing everything Tamil?

Other people who disagree are not?

Most of the industries in TN,the original ones are due to Congress/Rajaji/C Subramaniam/Kamaraj and so on....

People like Rajaji ll make TN lose its cultural dientity,nice joke?

Tamils dont loses their cultural identity in Malaysia/Australia and all,what cultural identity did these guys give us?

Periyar marrying a much younger girl,Anna having an affair with Bhanumathi and Mu ka marrying and laying wherever he wants and having an illegitimate kid.

This is indeed the culture,we need.

So these illicit morons have a story in tamil text book,even quaid e millat,some random muslim league leader does but Rajaji doesn't.

Hindi padingadannu sonnathu oru thappa?

Today hundreds of tamils land up in bombay all the time and struggle to get started and going,all because we have to save tamil identity.

I am shocked that these guys are torch bearers of the culture,for what?

This is why i have the hatred,

Reservation? mehh,the guys are good enough to crack the 31& quota,thats more than enough.

No party represents Tamil sentiments today as I mentioned opportunistic politicians have been heading these parties though all dravidian parties started their roots from DK. Hindi padingadanu sonnathu thappa illayaanu sarithirathai paarthaa theriyaa villaiyaa? enn compulsory pannanum oru mozhiyai padkirathu? ippo Indiavil enthentha maanilangal is leading the growth story? BIMARU maanilangal thavira matra maanilangal - naan ketta kelvikku pathil illai - TN ippothu entha vithathil kurainthu vittadu? And especially 1960s the background behind the opposition? Isn't it more of a purely economic reason that the South Indians will lose their edge in the civil services as they will be forced to take up exams only in Hindi thereby competing with the North Indian students whose mother tongue is hindi? Hindi padikanumnaa naan padithaa maathiri - I learnt mine in Hindi prachar sabha - so what is preventing the people from learning it?

And do you know that people of TN want to learn English along with Tamil? Karuna tried to enforce tamil only till 5th grade and lost the elections. So TN people are not averse to learn a language if that benefits them economically. Oru mozhi athuvum pinthagiyaa maanilathil irundu varugira mozhiyai kattaayamaaga padikka thevai illa.

As for you pointing out tamils going to bombay all the time - that is a fact - but not to Mumbai - I mean not anymore - do you understand the changes in TN which happened post 1991 when economy opened up? I will give you an example - my brother who has his own business in that he is a major supplier of bottles to liquor industries struggles for labor and get his from Bihar as there is labor shortage in TN. He consults in erection of distilleries due to his background in distilleries and advices the people who sets up distilleries to get laborers from Odissa and Bihar. So maybe you need to see the recent changes which happened in Tamilnadu which is nothing short of spectacular.

As for Rajaji not being in the school books is ridiculous as I always felt Rajaji would have been a better PM as he along with Sardar opposed Nehru,Netaji and Azad as these were for socialism. So either Sardar or Rajaji would have been better for India. But his short coming was not understanding the pulses of the people - forcing Hindi and bringing in prohibition - not just liquor alone but also toddy which was/is the bread winner for many poor people in South Tamilnadu - Jaya briefly took that path and lost the elections as well - banning certain animal sacrificial rituals in rural TN as per the advice of Kanchi Sankaracharya - that is our cultural identity - I grew up in Chennai but these kinds of rural TN festivals is something I would look forward to every annual vacation so that I get to meet my relatives. So do not enforce something without understanding the people's pulses. That is the cultural identity I am talking about and not some personal lives of the leaders. So try to understand the difference.

As for the reservation, my iyer friend and myself were forced to go to Arts/science college together while I saw a multi-crorepathi friend go to top notch engineering college due to reservation system and I was furious but later I saw couple of poor friends of mine in college benefit through reservation system. It has helped certain genuine candidates from poor families benefit - so now I advocate reservation through reforms - economically backward should be provided reservation - that is sons of laborers, priests in temples and those kinds should be provided reservation - likewise someone uses reservation for himself/herself - his/her son/daughter can't use it anymore thereby making it a fair play for the down-trodden.

 

[Kazhugu]

@Sashan great post

Tamil Nadu did not loose out anything because of dravidian politics.....infact they did the great job of chasing out cong from our state once and for all....enda vidhathula ippo namma kuranjutom ?

hindi padikka venanu sonnangalam...no what they opposed was foreceful imposition of hindi as national language which would put our candidates at disadvantage in central govt exams...

infact one dravidian party always being as a power broker in center has ensured so many advantages....

and as i suspected from his initial omission of MGR and Jaya from the list of culprits, bronxbull's antipathy towards dravidian politics goes beyond reason...nd that is also the reason why ppl like S Swamy are raging against the protests.... frankly that is a closed chapter in TN politics and nothing can be done abt that now...

nd one more thing - reason why rajaji was opposed inspite of his erudition,was because, he was a casteist...he favored hereditary education (based on one's caste) which was simply not acceptable to the majority at that time...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hereditary_education_policy

this was his speech which had overt casteist tones....

The food is grown, the cloth is woven, the sheep are shorn, the shoes are stitched, the scavenging is done, the cartwheels and the ploughs are built and repaired because, thank God, the respective castes are still there and the homes are trade schools as well and the parents are masters as well, to whom the children are automatically apprenticed