PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[SQ8]

Very very much doubt everything in that post. Sorry.

It doesn’t make sense from the current information available - especially regarding the Al-31 Tot since the numbers for the J-10 don’t justify it and seems odd the Chinese would agree to use the engine they are phasing out themselves.

 

[Danish Moazzam]

May be by TOT she meant transfer of maintenance and overhaul technology, why does TOT have to be about building an entire engine. We have the ability to overhaul the RD-93, why not look at AL-31 in case that a fighter with the specified engine is intended for purchase.

 

[Dreamer.]

Is it not possible for the PAF to invite PLAAF to also do a fly past on 23 March?

He is just a politician who once out of frustration ordered PTI fanboys to burn down the Pakistani Parliament.

I think I already stated in previous post that Sheikh Rasheed clearly said that PAF will do the flypast...so it can't be PLAAF.

Anyway the whole point was since you were posting literal words from speech and giving weight to that so I showed you where he said what. The issue that he is a politician who is reliable or not is a separate matter.

 

[Aesterix]

It doesn’t make sense from the current information available - especially regarding the Al-31 Tot since the numbers for the J-10 don’t justify it and seems odd the Chinese would agree to use the engine they are phasing out themselves.

Cost?
If Chinese phasing out, they won't have issues in selling them to Pakistan at cheaper price.

 

[SQ8]

Cost?
If Chinese phasing out, they won't have issues in selling them to Pakistan at cheaper price.

Refurbished AL-31s would have at best 1000 hours left on them so it would be fairly short sighted.

 

[Dreamer.]

PAF is getting J-10C that part is cleared. Otherwise PAF would have dismissed all the rumors after media reports. But Whether PAF J-10Cs will do the fly past Or the PLAAF jets that's not clear yet. Other country team do participate in such events especially when there is close military relationships. e.g. Turkish team do the solo fly past. I am not saying for sure that it will be chinese team, but the possibility is there. Because time is very less. Its highly unlikely that if PAF jets arrive just before Parade and will participate as well. Remember, Pilots have to practice a lot for these airshows. So I think time is very low unless planes arrive this month or early next month.

BTW! J-10c had participated in 2019 parade as well. see below:

So, I think the only thing that is clear for now is that PAF is getting J-10s But it is not yet clear that whether it will be PAF J-10s or J-10s of chinese aerobatic team in the upcoming parade Or both perhaps a fly past of 4 PAF J-10s followed by this aerobatic team show.

I'm aware of 2019 J-10 performance, I saw it (on tv). My post was only related to the post I quoted's emphasis on words used. As for the statement itself, to begin with I'll only believe a number as high as 25 J-10's in the parade if I see it! And "JS-10" ?
So obviously there's something wrong with the statement from day one...how much of it was wrong or right is something we'll find out.

Having said that news of J-10 for PAF has come from other sources aswell.

 

[Scorpiooo]

If AL31 with ToT news is true, them mean number of J10s will higher even we can see 90 plus jets i.e 5 to 6 sqr in coming future

 

[Aesterix]

"TOT has been made part of every defence acquisition/deal now", MODP Yearbook 2020-21.

2 squadrons of J15s have landed. 3rd one in negotiations. A squadron+ of JH7s have landed but are grounded due to engine issues. (Khafee leaks)

JF17 blk3 has structural changes with wider wings and bigger fuselage. Pakistan has acquired TOT for AL31. (Messiah leaks)

Troll level # 9999999

There was a member here called @Khafee .
He used to claim similar things.

 

[Deino]

Chinese engine on J10C 14.5 to 15.0 tons thrust and weighs about a ton lighter than Raphael.

No, the regular WS-10B has 2only“ 132 kN

 

[Shotgunner51]

Chinese engine on J10C 14.5 to 15.0 tons thrust and weighs about a ton lighter than Raphael.

Yes that's the point, being lighter by a ton gives J-10C superior T/W ratio (thrust to weight ratio) to Rafale posting maneuver advantage in overall A2A scenario particularly in WVR. At BVR, the much larger KLJ-series AESA on J-10CA has 1200 T/R modules, way more powerful than the Rafale's RBE2 which only has 838 T/R modules. J-10C though nowadays being "tuned" for multi-role it was designed as 2 mach AA jet in the first place, but that's also why its wing area/span (hence lighter a ton) & aspect ratio makes it lesser of a "bomb truck" type of strike platform vis-a-vis Rafale.

 

[Scorpiooo]

What will be possible paint scheme on coming J10p

 

[CriticalThought]

It doesn’t make sense from the current information available - especially regarding the Al-31 Tot since the numbers for the J-10 don’t justify it and seems odd the Chinese would agree to use the engine they are phasing out themselves.

You know, it would all make sense if these 'JS-10's were manufactured at PAC. At least some of them. Messiach previously said that Block 3 will have different formats for air superiority and strike. Do note that I DO NOT want to feed the rumor mill, just putting forward a possibility.

 

[The Terminator]

China is NO US! Whatever China gives, it takes back with interest (compound); there is a reason it is being equated to the current era's East India Company. What they did to Sri Lanka with the Port is just a prime example.

Why we are continuously digging this debt trap (or rather debt grave) is beyond me. Our Nuclear Weapons are sufficient deterrence against any loss of Land to India (or any other country). We simply cannot match India's purchasing power (until our economy is just as strong) and the sooner we recognize it the better.

Thanks to God China isn't US

 

[The Terminator]

May be Russians have put such a condition that in order to get continuous support and availability of RD93 for thunders , you have to buy engines from Russia only. Also this may pave way for flankers possiblity as well in near by future . At least this is how Russia can also make some money from Pakistan CHINA collaboration projects. Hi5 for all three countries !

But that's not good for Pakistan. Flankers are maintenance thirsty planes with really bad turn around times, logistical nightmare and inefficient to operate as compared to western systems.

 

[Rafi]

No, the regular WS-10B has 2only“ 132 kN

Ok