PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[SIPRA]

If the flypast has to take place on 23 Mar then the pilots have to be under training already. Means - the deal would have been signed long back without it coming out in open. Selection and routing of pilots to China would also have been done in complete secrecy.
Credit to all those involved to keep such a thing under wraps.

Yes. But we don't have much trust in our Interior Minister "Sheeda Tully". He is no less than Amit Shah "Tadipaar".

 

[siegecrossbow]

Soon it will claim, China also transfer ToT tech for Type 003 aircraft carrier or 055 destroyer to PN.

I'm thinking more along the lines of PAF skipping fifth gen all together and co-developing sixth generation laser totting unmanned space capable fighter with the CAC.

 

[VkdIndian]

But we don't have much trust in our Interior Minister "Sheeda Tully".

I am sure that even he was not aware of the deal. Had he known, it wouldn’t have remained a secret.
For pilots to be able to put a display, they would need to get basic proficiency and then graduate to formation flying. In normal course this wouldn’t take less than 6-7 months (atleast). In addition flying training on an aircraft would start only after ground school and classes for few months. From the time a deal is considered and signed these activities can’t be started the very next day and would take 3-4 months even on fast track mode. Adding all these numbers indicates that the deal would have been finalised atleast an year back.
The second possibility is that the deal has been signed later and training started. But not in time for PAF pilots to do the flypast. Probably the flypast would be done by Chinese pilots as brought out few posts above. Interior ministers claims would be proven correct in this scenario. Which are -Flypast by J10 (done by Chinese) and Pakistan acquiring it to counter Rafale (induction a little later).

 

[SIPRA]

I am sure that even he was not aware of the deal. Had he known, it wouldn’t have remained a secret.
For pilots to be able to put a display, they would need to get basic proficiency and then graduate to formation flying. In normal course this wouldn’t take less than 6-7 months (atleast). In addition flying training on an aircraft would start only after ground school and classes for few months. From the time a deal is considered and signed these activities can’t be started the very next day and would take 3-4 months even on fast track mode. Adding all these numbers indicates that the deal would have been finalised atleast an year back.
The second possibility is that the deal has been signed later and training started. But not in time for PAF pilots to do the flypast. Probably the flypast would be done by Chinese pilots as brought out few posts above. Interior ministers claims would be proven correct in this scenario. Which are -Flypast by J10 (done by Chinese) and Pakistan acquiring it to counter Rafale (induction a little later).

Yes. May be, that is the case, as you are telling. My knowledge about these affairs is close to zilch. Just read, what knowledgeable posters, like you, post and form some trivial opinion.

 

[lcloo]

China is NO US! Whatever China gives, it takes back with interest (compound); there is a reason it is being equated to the current era's East India Company. What they did to Sri Lanka with the Port is just a prime example.

Why we are continuously digging this debt trap (or rather debt grave) is beyond me. Our Nuclear Weapons are sufficient deterrence against any loss of Land to India (or any other country). We simply cannot match India's purchasing power (until our economy is just as strong) and the sooner we recognize it the better.

Aids with political strings is different from commercial financing. It is like comparing apple to orange.

However, it is your choice to choose from whom you want the money to come from.

 

[Beast]

Does an aircraft carrier have ToT? I thought it was a simple giant to build but costly

Why not u build a true 85000 tons carrier first and tell me it's simple giant?

Carrier deck are special reinforce material to withstand huge aircraft landing ljke heavy weight fighter of J-15. They also need to withstand nozzle heat burning. Then u have the catapult and arrestor hook system which only a few countries can make their own. Finally, the propulsion system that makes a 85000tons monster goes at 30knots plus fast accelerate ability unlike commercial or cruise passenger which not required.

 

[Titanium100]

Why not u build a true 85000 tons carrier and tell me it's simple giant?

The giant takes time to complete and a mouth full

 

[RangeMaster]

Why not u build a true 85000 tons carrier and tell me it's simple giant?

Behold... Carrier is coming. China is transferring old carrier to Pak in 2028. More gems from Khafee & Co.

 

[SIPRA]

Behold... Carrier is coming. China is transferring old carrier to Pak in 2028. More gems from Khafee & Co.

Extremely juicy item for a fresh thread.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Behold... Carrier is coming. China is transferring old carrier to Pak in 2028. More gems from Khafee & Co.

20 J15s also delivered

 

[Goenitz]

@Beast @MH.Yang @araz

Can ZDK /J-10C/JF-17 can relay search and track data to a HQ9 battery?

 

[Rafi]

That's news to me, maybe I haven't read about J10c properly. Quick google search tells me that J10c produces 123/135 KN of thrust as compared to 150 KN in Rafale. Since J10c specifications are opaque and different places post different values, hard to find a reliable figure.
j-10 - wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And if they use Russian engine instead of Chinese, then it will be even lesser.

Chinese engine on J10C 14.5 to 15.0 tons thrust and weighs about a ton lighter than Raphael.

 

[Mav3rick]

IMF is interest free? WB is interest free? ADB is interest free? Just wait till you default on those obligations.

Where do Pakistani's get their education I swear. Gotta raze those schools to the ground.

How did you even come up with the logic, equating apples with oranges when I was merely comparing Chinese financial assistance to that of the US!

Where did you get your education, non-Pakistani?

 

[MastanKhan]

Not so much since Russia already cooperated in setting up RD93 rebuild factory in Pakistan, it make perfect sense to go with the Russian engine for J10 also, I can also foresee another Russian engine for Pakistan's indigenous 5th gen project adding and enhancing more to that rebuild factory to maybe start some kind of engine parts manufacturing and become expert in maintaining/rebuilding Russian engines, just like we did with Mirage rebuild the factory with future prospects of starting complete engine manufacturing with Russian technical assistance.

Hi,

There is a german naysayer here who stated awhile ago that AL31 would never be available to pakistan---or any other chinese aircraft with russian engine.

Oh well---we will see.

 

[JamD]

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


@Bilal Khan (Quwa) @JamD @SQ8 @Goenitz

Very very much doubt everything in that post. Sorry.