PAF AND IAF 4th gen Aircraft Losses, shocking comparison

[Tejas Spokesman]

typical pathological liar indiot in his imaginary world. show me proof that 30 su-30 and mig-29 were airborne? IAF had only 2 Su-30 and hesitated to scramble more Su-30 to avoid losses. Only Mig-21s were conducting CAP while bigger guys like su-30 and mig-29 were hiding in hangers.

and here is what kaiser has said...


and this indiot exaggerates to 100s of CAP.

Wrong again.
The 2 Su30 & 2 M2Ks were told to pull back to a safe place till reinforcemebts arrive as these four were outnumbered 6:1.
A mighty force of 34-36 Su-30 & Mig-29 came from Punjab & Haryana and even Rajasthan as reinforcements to take on 24 PAF fighters.
But they took atleast 20-30 min to reach Nowshera and by that time PAF package went back 60 km inside Pakistan.

 

[Lasit Borphukan]

typical pathological liar indiot in his imaginary world

@mods @waz

@Myth_buster_1 has been constantly abusive in his comment. Hope the moderators can see his standards of words as lower than PDF forum guidelines

 

[Daghalodi]

Wrong again.
The 2 Su30 & 2 M2Ks were told to pull back to a safe place till reinforcemebts arrive as these four were outnumbered 6:1.
A mighty force of 34-36 Su-30 & Mig-29 came from Punjab & Haryana and even Rajasthan as reinforcements to take on 24 PAF fighters.
But they took atleast 20-30 min to reach Nowshera and by that time PAF package went back 60 km inside Pakistan.

So the lie was backed by Kaiser Tufail's claim which got busted so you repeated the same lie but removed Kaiser Tufail's claim now.

Keep it up

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Wrong again.
The 2 Su30 & 2 M2Ks were told to pull back to a safe place till reinforcemebts arrive as these four were outnumbered 6:1.
A mighty force of 34-36 Su-30 & Mig-29 came from Punjab & Haryana and even Rajasthan as reinforcements to take on 24 PAF fighters.
But they took atleast 20-30 min to reach Nowshera and by that time PAF package went back 60 km inside Pakistan.

so pre 28th feb strike IAF had only 2 su-30 and mk2 in northern sector? kid, when fighters are deployed to other sectors they are deployed in higher number like at least a full squadron and most likely were stationed in srinagar air base like PAF put alot of its fighters in forward bases to reduce time for interception. you dont scramble fighters 500+km away from action because its simply poor tactics.. IAF had already stationed atleast sqd of su and mk2 in sirinagar because thats where balakot failed strike originated from. IAF failed to provide further support because they wanted to avoid losses.
btw it was JF-17s vintage Mirages vs IAF Bison Su-30 Mk2 since F-16s were well within Pak airspace.


in retaliation IAF tried intruding Pakistani punjab sector with migs and su but they were quickly intercepted by PAF f-16s.

 

[Tejas Spokesman]

so pre 28th feb strike IAF had only 2 su-30 and mk2 in northern sector? kid, when fighters are deployed to other sectors they are deployed in higher number like at least a full squadron and most likely were stationed in srinagar air base like PAF put alot of its fighters in forward bases to reduce time for interception. you dont scramble fighters 500+km away from action because its simply poor tactics.. IAF had already stationed atleast sqd of su and mk2 in sirinagar because thats where balakot failed strike originated from. IAF failed to provide further support because they wanted to avoid losses.
btw it was JF-17s vintage Mirages vs IAF Bison Su-30 Mk2 since F-16s were well within Pak airspace.


in retaliation IAF tried intruding Pakistani punjab sector with migs and su but they were quickly intercepted by PAF f-16s.

Wrong again.
IAF has never stationed a single squadron or even half a squadron of Su-30 or Mirages in J&K.
Only MiG-21s are stationed in J&K so that enemy strikes on air field do not damage valueable jets.
The only 2 Su-30s initially over Kashmir on 27th were two from Sirsa based 15th sqn and the 2 mirage 2000s were from Ambala.
All aircraft in balakot strikes tookober frim Gwalior or bases in Punjab.

So the lie was backed by Kaiser Tufail's claim which got busted so you repeated the same lie but removed Kaiser Tufail's claim now.

Keep it up

When a Pakistani usea the word extensive for IAF caps it means obviously in several 100s as all Pakistanis will try to downplay the number.

 

[Daghalodi]

When a Pakistani usea the word extensive for IAF caps it means obviously in several 100s as all Pakistanis will try to downplay the number.

So its your imagination that Kaiser Tufail extensive CAP means several 100 Cap missions but why did you as an indian stop at several 100? Why not 2000 or 3000 CAP missions?? After all its just imaginations and assumptions with you.

 

[Signalian]

Wrong again.
The 2 Su30 & 2 M2Ks were told to pull back to a safe place till reinforcemebts arrive as these four were outnumbered 6:1.
A mighty force of 34-36 Su-30 & Mig-29 came from Punjab & Haryana and even Rajasthan as reinforcements to take on 24 PAF fighters.
But they took atleast 20-30 min to reach Nowshera and by that time PAF package went back 60 km inside Pakistan.

Is that how AirForces protect their airspace ? Now you are making up stories.

 

[Umar Nazir]

what about real war time losses

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

PAF had 12 F-16 formation in air supporting JF-17 and Mirage strike package, and same amount were air born in south east sector on 28th feb. thats 24 F-16 confirmed air born or 20% of F-16 fleet in air. PAF has higher % of F-16 air worthy thats why they were confident to airborne such a high percentage of F-16 fleet in air on that one day!
IAF failed to scramble more then 2 Su-30MKI to avoid losses.
the fallowing month PAF F-16s were rigorously used for CAP all over the country and also participated in exercises.
USAF has thousands of F-16 and most of them are being phased out, heck some of them are being used as drone for target practice.

now indiots are claiming their AF pilots clock 300+ hours / year while USAF pilots hardly clock 210.
once an indiot always an indiot.

JF 17s were escorts too

@airomerix can u tell me hoe many PAF Jets crashed in 2000 to uptill now?

 

[Yasser76]

IAF accquired a total of 80 MiG 29s since 1986.
Current fleet strngth is around 62-63.
Plus 45 MiG 29 by Navy.

No, IAF acquired 70 in total

all calm down...

we are all comparing number of attrition without considering relevant operations matrix. For all PAF lovers here are the number to consider -

1. Annual flight hours for PFA fighter pilot is ~180-190 Hrs vs IAF Pilot is 290-310 Hrs
2. Number of annual sorties by IAF is 4-5 times greater than PAF - due to scale and spectrum of ops

Just for your reference, in the last IAF exercise in early part of this year, IAF managed more than 8000 sorties in western and eastern theater in a fortnight is which is greater than what PAF managed in 6 months

Utter utter BS.

1)The tempo and frequency of active PAF ops during conflict in FATA totally disproves this
2) PAF Aircraft have a much higher utilisation rate so flaying more often
3) Globally PAF conducted 5 exercises involving sending fighter aircraft abroad compared to 3 for IAF
4) Where did you get your pilot hour figures? Are you pulling them from your arse? How can say IAF SU-30 pilost get so many hours with only 60% servicability for the entire SU-30 fleet?

BTW here is a shocker for PAF fans, Alan Warnes will next month visit India for Mil Lit fest 2019 where he will present PAFs perspective on 27th feb but will also state that he (Alan Warnes) does not think any Su-30 was shot down.

Sure and Warnes told you this in bed after making love? Any proof?

there are many words in India that we use for Pakistanis like you, but will refrain myself from going down to your levels.

The US F-16C fleet reported a mission capable rate of 70.22 percent in October, 2018. So you guys are claiming better availability of your f -16 fleets, which are much older and without supply of spares than the OEMs...

Only idiots dare to claim that ? by the way has your PAF ever published availability rates of your aircrafts or those numbers are deemed to be too damaging for idiots like you on PDF?

Age is not only indicator, it is level spare parts and level of maintence crew training.

F-35 only has 27% availability rate so going by your criteria this should be wrong?

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a...ion-capability-rate-only-27-due-to-pa-457734/

Idiot

 

[Tejas Spokesman]

No, IAF acquired 70 in total

Wrong.
It is 80.

 

[Falcon26]

Wrong again.
The 2 Su30 & 2 M2Ks were told to pull back to a safe place till reinforcemebts arrive as these four were outnumbered 6:1.
A mighty force of 34-36 Su-30 & Mig-29 came from Punjab & Haryana and even Rajasthan as reinforcements to take on 24 PAF fighters.
But they took atleast 20-30 min to reach Nowshera and by that time PAF package went back 60 km inside Pakistan.

so even after losing two jets, having own helicopter brought down and having its military bases bombed, the IAF didn’t have the heart to retaliate?

no wonder modi made the remark about the absence of the Rafael. The IAF was defanged by an Air Force much smaller. The Indian writers of the book “the psyche of the Pakistan Air Force” were on the money when they said “for the indian war-planner, the PAF is the biggest headache”

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Wrong again.
IAF has never stationed a single squadron or even half a squadron of Su-30 or Mirages in J&K.
Only MiG-21s are stationed in J&K so that enemy strikes on air field do not damage valueable jets.
The only 2 Su-30s initially over Kashmir on 27th were two from Sirsa based 15th sqn and the 2 mirage 2000s were from Ambala.
All aircraft in balakot strikes tookober frim Gwalior or bases in Punjab.


When a Pakistani usea the word extensive for IAF caps it means obviously in several 100s as all Pakistanis will try to downplay the number.

Since Mirages were on CAP meaning they were already in air, its combat radius wont allow it to return back to base some 450km away. Do keep in mind that in CAP alot of fuel is burned with constant use of after burner in a zig zag pattern to avoid locks.
Same with even Su-30 in order to reach 500km distance it would need to travel at mach 1 to reach the action which would take 30 min and that would burn up most of fuel preventing it to return back to original base.
Btw one of Pakistan's condition to reopen its airspace for Indian commercial flights is to have IAF withdraw its advance fighter jets from forward air bases closer to border.

Only Indian propaganda factories can fool without logic.

 

[Tejas Spokesman]

so even after losing two jets, having own helicopter brought down and having its military bases bombed, the IAF didn’t have the heart to retaliate?

We lost only one jet (an obsolete MiG-21) also their was no damage ti milutary infrastructure on ground so absolutely no need to retaliate

In strategic terms it was a huge Indian victory as Feb 26 was death blow to all insurgency in J&K and security forces casualties in J&K in March to Nov 2019 fell by 70% compared to similar periods in 2016-18.

 

[Yasser76]

Are you homo or what?
He gave his speech agenda and points to Mil lit fest organizers.


Now you are just in denial and making false premises.

Any link? Thought not...