PAF AND IAF 4th gen Aircraft Losses, shocking comparison

[Path-Finder]

I have read most of your posts in 4 pages. The way you are justifying IAF crashes, the image being shown is that IAF planes HAVE to crash either way. You justified IAF has more aircrafts, then IAF has more flying hours, then Russian origin planes crash more than US origin planes.

Reading posts as a neutral observer, all i see is that IAF puts aircraft in air, it will crash !

This is the post of 2019. Applause.

 

[Falcon26]

I have read most of your posts in 4 pages. The way you are justifying IAF crashes, the image being shown is that IAF planes HAVE to crash either way. You justified IAF has more aircrafts, then IAF has more flying hours, then Russian origin planes crash more than US origin planes.

Reading posts as a neutral observer, all i see is that IAF puts aircraft in air, it will crash !

Roast of the year lol

 

[Chakar The Great]

IAF is shame for mother India.

 

[Areesh]

I have read most of your posts in 4 pages. The way you are justifying IAF crashes, the image being shown is that IAF planes HAVE to crash either way. You justified IAF has more aircrafts, then IAF has more flying hours, then Russian origin planes crash more than US origin planes.

Reading posts as a neutral observer, all i see is that IAF puts aircraft in air, it will crash !

LOL

 

[Thorough Pro]

Sir, your head is so up your own arse that you are totally confused by your own inner stink............please take it out once in a while to breathe fresh oxygen and talk some sense once in a while, just for a change

Wrong again.
The 2 Su30 & 2 M2Ks were told to pull back to a safe place till reinforcemebts arrive as these four were outnumbered 6:1.
A mighty force of 34-36 Su-30 & Mig-29 came from Punjab & Haryana and even Rajasthan as reinforcements to take on 24 PAF fighters.
But they took atleast 20-30 min to reach Nowshera and by that time PAF package went back 60 km inside Pakistan.

how about total devastation to your "milutary" infrastructure underground?

We lost only one jet (an obsolete MiG-21) also their was no damage ti milutary infrastructure on ground so absolutely no need to retaliate

In strategic terms it was a huge Indian victory as Feb 26 was death blow to all insurgency in J&K and security forces casualties in J&K in March to Nov 2019 fell by 70% compared to similar periods in 2016-18.

 

[Tejas Spokesman]

using misquoting tactics will only make you look stupid. Kaiser merely stated that 4-5 IAF fighters were airborne at the time of PAF strike, no where he stated IAF had only stationed 4-5 of the specific type fighters at Srinagar base?
This is not the first Su-30 deployment at Srinagar and infact first deployment was back in 2008.
another article proves MK-2 are currently operating from Srinagar base.
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ity-sources/articleshow/70496468.cms?from=mdr

No the test flight in 2008 & 2009 showed J&K is unfit for hosting Su 30.
The MIG21s at Srinagar will now be replaced by Tejas Mk1A.

Ofcourse they are not based in kashmir but time to time they are deployed in kashmir.

None.
None of them use any base in Srinagar or have even stayed there for more than 24 hrs except for emergency landings

Only brainwashed citizens of a giant propaganda factory called India can come up with such absurd evidence.
Flying random Su-30 in a formation does not help in IAF's favor, it further build evidence that 1 Su-30 was shot down.

They were not random Su-30s but the exact two Su-30s from Sirsa which were over J&K on 27 Feb.

how about total devastation to your "milutary" infrastructure underground?

No scratch underground either.

This is not the first time he will be visiting India, apart from covering operations after Gujarat earthquake, Alan Warnes was there during one of Indra Dhanush exercises. It's another thing that IAF Commander started boasting about shooting down a Tornado during exercise despite earlier agreeing with his RAF counterpart not to reveal anything to reporters except the usual pleasantries.
As for your highlighted part, I can burst your bubble with just one call....so stop posting nonsense to give relief to your tiny ego.

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This is his first visit after 2007/08.
You are free to call him.
He will just say what I confirmed, even if not now but on 15th Dec.

 

[khansaheeb]

That includes all types (and aircrew losses includes even helo), here is list of your link you gave:

Wrong.
Su-30 airworthiness crossed 70% whereas IAF MiG 29 always had more than 75% airworthiness & even IN MiG 29K is at 68% since 2018.

It is actually PAF F-16 fleet which had quite low flight hours in the 90s due to US sanctions forcing PAF to reduce flying hours to save spares.

If the Indians didn't have ejection seats in their planes then the losses would be far less.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

No the test flight in 2008 & 2009 showed J&K is unfit for hosting Su 30.
The MIG21s at Srinagar will now be replaced by Tejas Mk1A.

So you do know that you are proving our point that PAF 4th generation fly alot more then IAF 4th or even 4.5 generation fighters? You know how?
When PAF sends out F-16s or JF-17s for CAP at northern borders towards kashmir IAF scrambles Mig-21 meaning less action for IAF 4th generation planes at northern border where more action takes place.

coming to the point. During February conflict their is NO way on earth Mig-29 Su-30 or Mirages can be scrambled 500KM away since it will require them to fly with after burners at mach 1 which will require good 30min flight and after burners will burn up normal jet engine fuel within 20 mins leaving NO fuel to even engage opponents. Its like you run a marathon to fight a opponent in a boxing match and expect to win a fight. thats not how it works. the thing is, India has to lie 1000 times to cover up for one lie. IAF was too scared to scramble Mig-29 Su-30 in kashmir region which would require only 5 min to arrive at the action. PAF strike package did not take more then 5 - 10 min to intrude Indian air space and complete their mission.
And again, IAF came well prepared with M2K and SU-30 deployed in Kashmir to counter PAF counter strike. Kashmir may not be 4th generation home air base but in conflict situation like right now you will deploy competent assists near by.

None.
None of them use any base in Srinagar or have even stayed there for more than 24 hrs except for emergency landings

Care to tell us why Pakistan is demanding India to pull back its advance fighters from FOB if like you suggest India has nothing but Mig-21s in FOB?

They were not random Su-30s but the exact two Su-30s from Sirsa which were over J&K on 27 Feb.

What proof do you have that they were exact 2 Su-30s? No serial numbers or squadron patches were shown???

 

[Pak-Canuck]

So another 4th gen IAF Mig-29K on the list?

https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...f-goa-pilot-ejects-safely/article30894679.ece

 

[Pandora]

Most of our F16s crashed due to lack maintenance and components during Americans sanctions on Pakistan.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Two wrong data (In both Mirage 2000 incident of Oct 2004 & Su-30 incident of Apr 2012 the jets were fully repaired back into service).
So correct figure is 40.

Now India accquired a total of 470 4th gen jets as of Nov 2019 ( 266 Su-30s, 125 MiG-29, 59 Mirage 200, 20 Tejas) which means the crash rate is only 8.5% of fleet strength.

Pakistan accquired around 85 F-16s & 112 JF-17 (total 197) so crash rate is 5.6% of fleet strength.
A very minor difference considering that US made planes have a much lower crash rate than Russian ones.

And can you compare 4th generation crash rate after 2010?

Wrong.
Su-30 airworthiness crossed 70% whereas IAF MiG 29 always had more than 75% airworthiness & even IN MiG 29K is at 68% since 2018.

It is actually PAF F-16 fleet which had quite low flight hours in the 90s due to US sanctions forcing PAF to reduce flying hours to save spares.

WRONG 1 year of better airworthiness does not compensate for poor airworthiness for the past decade. So since 2010 PAF 4th gen has MUCH MUCH better airworthiness record then IAF 4th generation.

 

[aliyusuf]

Most of our F16s crashed due to lack maintenance and components during Americans sanctions on Pakistan.

Sanctions due to the Pressler Ammendment were imposed on Pakistan in October 1990.
So yes, the crashes in 91/6, 91/10, 93/11, 94/3 and 94/10 do seem to be due to the immediate effects of the sanction.