PAF AND IAF 4th gen Aircraft Losses, shocking comparison

[ziaulislam]

IAF are largely incompetent.

Wish all these saved jets won at least a single war for Pakistan though. Get Kashmir, save East Pakistan. Sad story.

kidding.

I guess u forgot that we already took half kashmir by force and it was you went to UN for a break

East pakistan better tell that to your bengali fellow so they can slep you..dont take their credit, you should have came to western front and took kashmir rather than wasting your men lives in useless bengaldesh creation that would have happened sooner or later with or without your incursion ..

 

[litman]

F-16s A/B without MLU were not fourth generation jets .the last F-16 which paf lost was i think in 2006 which was not MLUed.. so paf lost only 2 4th gen jets so far. both the JFTs.

 

[Lasit Borphukan]

Who says f16 has no spare parts? I mean this isnt 1990s..you just woke up from long sleep???

We dont know what is PAF serviciebility as i dont see that being disclosed

Having said PAF or USAF can schieve a higher servicibity if it desires to do so...lot of factors come into play ...usually a target is set abd that is maintained..for USAF its 70%..i dont know what PAF has set for f16

But faster you out it back into service the higher rate you can acheive(provided u have the man power and spares)...i dont know about PAF but from audit reports it seems IAF has neither the man power nor the spares from Russia

There was one more hold on supply of spares in 2005.. you should keep yourself better updated.

By the way Su 30Mki serviceability in 2018 was 65% and USAF F16 WAS 70.22%.. So if PAF is not doing better than the USAF than your F16 available would be close to India or lower.

There is a reason behind PAF not announcing that number.. it may be too low to bust moral of PDF fanboys

 

[The Eagle]

Great that a moderator has responded. Its good that you have asked for valid links for each claims and counter claims. I guess you meant both for Pakistani and Indian commentators.

That is for everyone though I have to quote one leading or trying to be all over the internet.

@The Eagle .. also look at the language of some of the commentators. I believe words like "rapistan" "randian" "indiot" "cow piss drinkers" etc are way below the community guideline standard of PDF.

let me check.

Or should I believe that these words are now part of Pakistani vocabulary

Was it necessary to poke like this and take a jibe or should I feel offended and be playing foul in return by saying that Should I believe that such kind of jibes are part of Indian routine while reporting such matters? Or should I believe that you just said what you wanted to say but did it in a manner being innocent? Or should I believe that you have less interest into to resolution of an issue at community rather interested to settle score by one or another? Just talk straight buddy and move on... Why to act like a grieving child throwing tantrums for redressal of his grievances? That wasn't needed.

 

[Tejas Spokesman]

Can you ask anyone that you know (CO or some Junior Cadre employee), i.e. Air Marshal from IAF (make sure you aren't then being shown on TV being honey trapped by ISI) to prove availability claims under the same figure being disclosed by your own DoD? When you are trying to prove something in regard to official stand point; make sure you are either quoting the official source directly in-case DoD isn't available or DoD observations be shared.

Official sources are not allowed to be directly quoted or made public even by those who are close to them like me.
All publicized DoD reports that Pakistani poster rely on are old ones from 2015/16 and those are outdated and not in sync with latest figures as common sense would say

 

[Lasit Borphukan]

That is for everyone though I have to quote one leading or trying to be all over the internet.



let me check.



Was it necessary to poke like this and take a jibe or should I feel offended and be playing foul in return by saying that Should I believe that such kind of jibes are part of Indian routine while reporting such matters? Or should I believe that you just said what you wanted to say but did it in a manner being innocent? Or should I believe that you have less interest into to resolution of an issue at community rather interested to settle score by one or another? Just talk straight buddy and move on... Why to act like a grieving child throwing tantrums for redressal of his grievances? That wasn't needed.

Don't shoot the messenger buddy..

PDF used to be much civilized forum in the past than it has become now.. sanitation needed and that where moderators have to play their roles.

 

[The Eagle]

Official sources are not allowed to be directly quoted or made public even by those who are close to them like me

Do you even understand official source being quoted? Any media article that directly quotes official, is treated as credible evidence. DoD will be enough if you care to check availability rate numbers for IAF. Who is here even wants to name such & such officer at all... at-least I don't want anyone to be the part of next Indian headlines of ISI honey-trap. Media sensations are not credible sources when it comes to claiming about Military Figures or ACs availability. Operationally, PAF did the best what it was supposed to do on 27th Feb.

Don't shoot the messenger buddy..

PDF used to be much civilized forum in the past than it has become now.. sanitation needed and that where moderators have to play their roles.

Not shooting anyone except that what you did in your post and how that was so wrong to quote on a moment when you are already complaining about unethical behaviour of someone else while having the same thought process and taking jibes. Introspection my dear.

Official sources are not allowed to be directly quoted or made public even by those who are close to them like me.
All publicized DoD reports that Pakistani poster rely on are old ones from 2015/16 and those are outdated and not in sync with latest figures as common sense would say

first of all, type at once whatever you want to and share a complete post. Secondly, you are nothing on the Internet even though, you claimed to be BS Dhaona. How come posters reach IAF official to confirm when there is DoD or bring new table in this regard if you have. Persons over the internet are merely just members and that's it. Bring the latest DoD reports or your claims are nothing but opinion. Once you understand that point; it is all good to go instead of shoving your information down the throats of others or even influencing your trend over others. "Me" is a random poster. Verbal claims without any substantive proof is merely a word and that's it.

 

[Areesh]

first of all, type at once whatever you want to and share a complete post. Secondly, you are nothing on the Internet even though, you claimed to be BS Dhaona.

He is a multiple ID rat though

 

[ziaulislam]

There was one more hold on supply of spares in 2005.. you should keep yourself better updated.

Exactly whats current year?

To be honest the comparison of 4th gen fighters would only make sense after 2012-15 when pakistan had reasonable numbers of thunder and f16s..before 2006 pakistan only had handful of 4th gen fighters

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

I guess u forgot that we already took half kashmir by force and it was you went to UN for a break

East pakistan better tell that to your bengali fellow so they can slep you..dont take their credit, you should have came to western front and took kashmir rather than wasting your men lives in useless bengaldesh creation that would have happened sooner or later with or without your incursion ..

You took that part of Kashmir before the Maharaja signed the instrument of accession. Once the Indian troops were air dropped, you couldn't take anymore. In fact, you had to retreat from Kashmir Valley.

Don't make silly excuses for Bangladesh.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

It is tou you who is changing stories.
Amballa has a detachment of 8 Mirages with 2-4 deployed at forward loc like Udhampur

u are such a stubborn troll.

I have already provided substantial evidence as to why MK2 from 450km away can not do CAP because it will not have enough fuel. now if you were slightly smart u would have countered my claim with some technical evidence something that does not exist in any of Indian debates. just rumors and bollywood stories.

PS I hope you are current or ex Ind defence official, that goes to show how low standard IAF is.

 

[Areesh]

You took that part of Kashmir before the Maharaja signed the instrument of accession. Once the Indian troops were air dropped, you couldn't take anymore. In fact, you had to retreat from Kashmir Valley.

We took Skardu a year later we came into existence. We kicked Indian forces out of Kotli

But anyways. I have heard this excuse from Indians a lot. I understand. It is hard to accept that a newly created weak country took a portion of your atoot ang from you

Don't make silly excuses for Bangladesh.

Let General Manickshaw answer you about Bangladesh:

Even those overrated gurkhas of yours would have failed in East Pakistan if they faced the conditions that Pakistan army faced

 

[Myth_buster_1]

manjeet negi is worthless source.
Even your Kaiser Tufail admitted their were only 2 Su-30s and 4-5 MiG-21s And Not 2 MiG21s and 4 Su30s like this nobody journo Manjeet Negi is saying.

using misquoting tactics will only make you look stupid. Kaiser merely stated that 4-5 IAF fighters were airborne at the time of PAF strike, no where he stated IAF had only stationed 4-5 of the specific type fighters at Srinagar base?
This is not the first Su-30 deployment at Srinagar and infact first deployment was back in 2008.
another article proves MK-2 are currently operating from Srinagar base.
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ity-sources/articleshow/70496468.cms?from=mdr

On 8th October IAF revealed Su30s Avenger 1 & 2 and showed that they were from Sirsa based No 15 squadron.

Only brainwashed citizens of a giant propaganda factory called India can come up with such absurd evidence.
Flying random Su-30 in a formation does not help in IAF's favor, it further build evidence that 1 Su-30 was shot down.

No Su 30s are based in Kashmir:
https://theaviationgeekclub.com/lac...-respond-to-paf-intrusion-with-mig-21s-first/

Ofcourse they are not based in kashmir but time to time they are deployed in kashmir.

Air combat almost everyday just like 1965 and 1971 wars.

what about it???

There was one more hold on supply of spares in 2005.. you should keep yourself better updated.

By the way Su 30Mki serviceability in 2018 was 65% and USAF F16 WAS 70.22%.. So if PAF is not doing better than the USAF than your F16 available would be close to India or lower.

There is a reason behind PAF not announcing that number.. it may be too low to bust moral of PDF fanboys

Like stated earlier, USAF is in process of phasing out F-16s at a much higher rate then anticipated. Even European and some middle eastern AF have already retiring F-16s that are no longer their main front line fighters. Of course F-16 availability rate gonna decline thats just common sense. Just like in mid 1960s PAF had higher F-86 availability rate then USAF because it was in process of retiring.
PAF indeed has higher F-16 availability rate then USAF at the moment because thats PAF main front line fighter.

On the other hand, Su-30 up until 2015 had 50% availability rate from 90% of its service as of yet. So Su-30 pilots flew half of PAF F-16 from 2005 to 2015. Even 70% is poor availability rate since even USAF F-16s which are being phased out have higher availability rate then IAF Su-30.

PAF had 20% of its F-16 air borne on 27th feb, PAF would not have airborne such high percentage of its main front line plane if its availability rate was so low.

 

[aliyusuf]

using misquoting tactics will only make you look stupid. Kaiser merely stated that 4-5 IAF fighters were airborne at the time of PAF strike, no where he stated IAF had only stationed 4-5 of the specific type fighters at Srinagar base?
This is not the first Su-30 deployment at Srinagar and infact first deployment was back in 2008.
another article proves MK-2 are currently operating from Srinagar base.
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ity-sources/articleshow/70496468.cms?from=mdr


Only brainwashed citizens of a giant propaganda factory called India can come up with such absurd evidence.
Flying random Su-30 in a formation does not help in IAF's favor, it further build evidence that 1 Su-30 was shot down.



Ofcourse they are not based in kashmir but time to time they are deployed in kashmir.



what about it???



Like stated earlier, USAF is in process of phasing out F-16s at a much higher rate then anticipated. Even European and some middle eastern AF have already retiring F-16s that are no longer their main front line fighters. Of course F-16 availability rate gonna decline thats just common sense. Just like in mid 1960s PAF had higher F-86 availability rate then USAF because it was in process of retiring.
PAF indeed has higher F-16 availability rate then USAF at the moment because thats PAF main front line fighter.

On the other hand, Su-30 up until 2015 had 50% availability rate from 90% of its service as of yet. So Su-30 pilots flew half of PAF F-16 from 2005 to 2015. Even 70% is poor availability rate since even USAF F-16s which are being phased out have higher availability rate then IAF Su-30.

PAF had 20% of its F-16 air borne on 27th feb, PAF would not have airborne such high percentage of its main front line plane if its availability rate was so low.

I think your perfectly good response will eventually, as usual, be lost on these members from India who are just going to shake it off and keep coming back at you with more nonsense & more use of the hyperbole ... to further derail this thread,

Remedy: Stop feeding trolls with answers. Total ignore is the best M.O. for such individuals.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

You took that part of Kashmir before the Maharaja signed the instrument of accession. Once the Indian troops were air dropped, you couldn't take anymore. In fact, you had to retreat from Kashmir Valley.

Don't make silly excuses for Bangladesh.

@waz