PAF AND IAF 4th gen Aircraft Losses, shocking comparison

[Tejas Spokesman]

AHQ New Delhi and our Air Intelligence, Islamabad both have an agreed-upon figure for Su's serviceability. That is 62%. From where the heck did you get your figure?

A couple of years ago your govt rep's rounded it off to 65%. And you're rounding it off to 70%. Shame.

Wrong.
It was stated to reach 75% by 2015 end.
Which menas even if that did not happen, by conservative estimates it has reached atleast 70% by 2019
https://m.economictimes.com/news/po...end-manohar-parrikar/articleshow/46596374.cms

Only one who should be ashamed is you who is still stuck with 2013-14 figure before India stick a massive spare deals with Russia.
Looks like your Air HQ is still stuck in past too.
Su 30 serviceability improved from 50% in 2013 to 57% by 2014 end and by 2016 end it was 62% and by 2019 it has crossed 70%.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

India lost more 4th gen in a year than what pakistan lost in 25 years!

That includes 3rd Gen planes too?

 

[Falcon26]

all calm down...

we are all comparing number of attrition without considering relevant operations matrix. For all PAF lovers here are the number to consider -

1. Annual flight hours for PFA fighter pilot is ~180-190 Hrs vs IAF Pilot is 290-310 Hrs
2. Number of annual sorties by IAF is 4-5 times greater than PAF - due to scale and spectrum of ops

Just for your reference, in the last IAF exercise in early part of this year, IAF managed more than 8000 sorties in western and eastern theater in a fortnight is which is greater than what PAF managed in 6 months

I laughed lol

 

[airomerix]

Wrong.
It was stated to reach 75% by 2015 end.
Which menas even if that did not happen, by conservative estimates it has reached atleast 70% by 2019
https://m.economictimes.com/news/po...end-manohar-parrikar/articleshow/46596374.cms

Only one who should be ashamed is you who is still stuck with 2013-14 figure before India stick a massive spare deals with Russia.
Looks like your Air HQ is still stuck in past too.
Su 30 serviceability improved from 50% in 2013 to 57% by 2014 end and by 2016 end it was 62% and by 2019 it has crossed 70%.

Says the fool who posts a link to a page which is doing pieces on how Mig 21 shot down an F-16.

As of September, 2019, the serviceability of IAF's Su-30 MKI is 62%. Ask your bloody engineers at Halwara. They'll tell you. Oh wait. Looks like our intelligence community has better links in IAF circles than you can possibly imagine and fathom.

 

[Tejas Spokesman]

Says the fool who posts a link to a page which is doing pieces on how Mig 21 shot down an F-16.

As of September, 2019, the serviceability of IAF's Su-30 MKI is 62%. Ask your bloody engineers at Halwara. They'll tell you. Oh wait. Looks like our intelligence community has better links in IAF circles than you can possibly imagine and fathom.

You are just making that up without any evidence
Why would I talk to some engineers when I can talk to IAF Air Marshals at anytime who confirmed to me that serviceability of Su-30 crossed 70% this year

 

[Lasit Borphukan]

if their was an award for indiot you would be at first place.

even USAF pilots clock 210 220 hours/year
https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/...-17-hours-per-month-but-its-still-not-enough/
and this indiot is claiming 300 hour/ year for cow urine air force pilot.

their source for this claim by Su-30 pilot who made this absurd claim 10 years ago when half of Su-30 fleet were grounded most of the time. lol
maybe IAF top of the top pilots who make up 1% of IAF fighter pilots clock 300 hours per year but average IAF pilot will be lucky to clock 100 hours/ year since half of IAF fleet is grounded.

if their was an award for indiot you would be at first place.

even USAF pilots clock 210 220 hours/year
https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/...-17-hours-per-month-but-its-still-not-enough/
and this indiot is claiming 300 hour/ year for cow urine air force pilot.

their source for this claim by Su-30 pilot who made this absurd claim 10 years ago when half of Su-30 fleet were grounded most of the time. lol
maybe IAF top of the top pilots who make up 1% of IAF fighter pilots clock 300 hours per year but average IAF pilot will be lucky to clock 100 hours/ year since half of IAF fleet is grounded.

it seems like you can't have a simple logical argument without being abusive... tells a lot about your culture and upbringing.

regarding the number of flight hours - 'Lightnings' and 'Rhinos' squadrons of Su-30MKIs has been clocking close to 300 flight hours since 2014..

the fact is "parked aircraft don't crash that often"

 

[Falcon26]

BTW here is a shocker for PAF fans, Alan Warnes will next month visit India for Mil Lit fest 2019 where he will present PAFs perspective on 27th feb but will also state that he (Alan Warnes) does not think any Su-30 was shot down.

Thanks for reading Alan Warnes’ mind and telling us ahead of time what he intends to say. Do you know if he will also say F-16 plane was lost?
That should give the Hindu nationalists a collective and instant orgasm.

 

[airomerix]

You are just making that up without any evidence
Why would I talk to some engineers when I can talk to IAF Air Marshals at anytime who confirmed to me that serviceability of Su-30 crossed 70% this year

Judging by your posts, you dont even have an email address of some warrant officer. Let alone a 3 star general.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

it seems like you can't have a simple logical argument without being abusive... tells a lot about your culture and upbringing.

regarding the number of flight hours - 'Lightnings' and 'Rhinos' squadrons of Su-30MKIs has been clocking close to 300 flight hours since 2014..

the fact is "parked aircraft don't crash that often"

indiot and logical argument does not go hand in hand.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ty-could-go-up-to-75/articleshow/50075387.cms

up until 2017 50% of IAF Su-30 fleet were unworthy to fly meaning 50% of its pilots were doing desk duties or simply an average Su-30 pilot was flying less then Mig-21 pilot

in comparison an average PAF f-16 pilot flew alot more then average su-30 pilot from 2005 to 2015!

 

[airomerix]

BTW here is a shocker for PAF fans, Alan Warnes will next month visit India for Mil Lit fest 2019 where he will present PAFs perspective on 27th feb but will also state that he (Alan Warnes) does not think any Su-30 was shot down.

Did Alan Warnes paged you what he's gona say next?

See this is why i said you know jackshit about your own forces. Wikipedia and timesnow are your only friends. Idiot.

 

[Tejas Spokesman]

Thanks for reading Alan Warnes’ mind and telling us ahead of time what he intends to say. Do you know if he will also say F-16 plane was lost?
That should give the Hindu nationalists a collective and instant orgasm.

I have seen the transcript of his invitation call with organizers.
He makes no mention of F16.

Did Alan Warnes paged you what he's gona say next?

Yes he did page that to the organizers of mil lit fest

 

[Lasit Borphukan]

indiot and logical argument does not go hand in hand.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ty-could-go-up-to-75/articleshow/50075387.cms

up until 2017 50% of IAF Su-30 fleet were unworthy to fly meaning 50% of its pilots were doing desk duties or simply an average Su-30 pilot was flying less then Mig-21 pilot

in comparison an average PAF f-16 pilot flew alot more then average su-30 pilot from 2005 to 2015!

there are many words in India that we use for Pakistanis like you, but will refrain myself from going down to your levels.

The US F-16C fleet reported a mission capable rate of 70.22 percent in October, 2018. So you guys are claiming better availability of your f -16 fleets, which are much older and without supply of spares than the OEMs...

Only idiots dare to claim that ? by the way has your PAF ever published availability rates of your aircrafts or those numbers are deemed to be too damaging for idiots like you on PDF?

 

[Myth_buster_1]

there are many words in India that we use for Pakistanis like you, but will refrain myself from going down to your levels.

The US F-16C fleet reported a mission capable rate of 70.22 percent in October, 2018. So you guys are claiming better availability of your f -16 fleets, which are much older and without supply of spares than the OEMs...

Only idiots dare to claim that ? by the way has your PAF ever published availability rates of your aircrafts or those numbers are deemed to be too damaging for idiots like you on PDF?

PAF had 12 F-16 formation in air supporting JF-17 and Mirage strike package, and same amount were air born in south east sector on 28th feb. thats 24 F-16 confirmed air born or 20% of F-16 fleet in air. PAF has higher % of F-16 air worthy thats why they were confident to airborne such a high percentage of F-16 fleet in air on that one day!
IAF failed to scramble more then 2 Su-30MKI to avoid losses.
the fallowing month PAF F-16s were rigorously used for CAP all over the country and also participated in exercises.
USAF has thousands of F-16 and most of them are being phased out, heck some of them are being used as drone for target practice.

now indiots are claiming their AF pilots clock 300+ hours / year while USAF pilots hardly clock 210.
once an indiot always an indiot.

 

[Tejas Spokesman]

PAF had 12 F-16 formation in air supporting JF-17 and Mirage strike package, and same amount were air born in south east sector on 28th feb. thats 24 F-16 confirmed air born or 20% of F-16 fleet in air. PAF has higher % of F-16 air worthy thats why they were confident to airborne such a high percentage of F-16 fleet in air on that one day!
IAF failed to scramble more then 2 Su-30MKI to avoid losses.
the fallowing month PAF F-16s were rigorously used for CAP all over the country and also participated in exercises.
USAF has thousands of F-16 and most of them are being phased out, heck some of them are being used as drone for target practice.

now indiots are claiming their AF pilots clock 300+ hours / year while USAF pilots hardly clock 210.
once an indiot always an indiot.

Wrong again

IAF scrambled over 30 Su-30 and MiG-29s from bases in Punjab , Haryana, Rajasthan in 27 Feb but by the time the reached the battle zone after travelling 400+ km the PAF fighter werr already 60 km inside Pakistan.

Your own Kaiser Rufail accepted that IAF mounted 100s of CAPs on the night of 26th Feb.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Wrong again

IAF scrambled over 30 Su-30 and MiG-29s from bases in Punjab , Haryana, Rajasthan in 27 Feb but by the time the reached the battle zone after travelling 400+ km the PAF fighter werr already 60 km inside Pakistan.

Your own Kaiser Rufail accepted that IAF mounted 100s of CAPs on the night of 26th Feb.

Show me proof that 30 su-30 and mig-29 were airborne? IAF had only 2 Su-30 and hesitated to scramble more Su-30 to avoid losses. Only Mig-21s were conducting CAP while bigger guys like su-30 and mig-29 were hiding in hangers.

and here is what kaiser has said...

The IAF stood guard on the night of 26 February when the PAF’s riposte was expected. Extensive Combat Air Patrols (CAP) were flown by the IAF, with surveillance support from ground radars, as well as AEWCS. When the PAF did not show up till sunrise of 27 February, the IAF eased off from its highest alert state, and waited for the following night.

and exaggerates to 100s of CAP.