Erdoğan not happy with India-Middle East-Europe Corridor

[Communism]

No, that is incorrect. The IMEC route has a substantial rail component and trains will travel at a speed significantly faster than 14 knots.
Also, why would you assume a higher ship speed for the Suez route but not for IMEC ?

The reason why the 10 knots ship speed was chosen for the source was to try to mitigate the time cost for the transshipment required for the IMEC route.


Anything faster than 10 knots will have a higher percent of the total journey being taken up by transhipment time.

 

[MMM-E]

Seriously, who cares if he is happy or not happy...

ERDOGAN doesnt care about useless IMEC with backward countries

Most of these don't involve any cutting-edge technology. A 500 USD desktop and a supercomputer are both classified as Computer, but one is very different from the other.

India and S.Arabia even dont know what about cutting-edge technology.


China-EU - international trade in goods statistics ...
The most exported manufactured goods were machinery & vehicles (52 %), followed by other manufactured goods (19 %) and chemicals (16 %). In 2022

Chinese Brands
Huawei
Xiaomi
Lenovo
Oppo
Chery
Geely .. The Chinese company which owns Volvo and Lotus
SAIC Motor
JAC Motors
Hisense
BYD
And many more


India : Only TATA
S.Arabia : NO

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

ERDOGAN doesnt care about useless IMEC with backward countries




India and S.Arabia even dont know what about cutting-edge technology.


China-EU - international trade in goods statistics ...
The most exported manufactured goods were machinery & vehicles (52 %), followed by other manufactured goods (19 %) and chemicals (16 %). In 2022

Chinese Brands
Huawei
Xiaomi
Lenovo
Oppo
Chery
Geely .. The Chinese company which owns Volvo and Lotus
SAIC Motor
JAC Motors
Hisense
BYD
And many more


India : Only TATA
S.Arabia : NO

You don't know, what india actually exports...

Anyhow, he should not cry on it... Just be happy with BRI and Chinese roadmap plan.

 

[TriptiD]

The reason why the 10 knots ship speed was chosen for the source was to try to mitigate the time cost for the transshipment required for the IMEC route.


Anything faster than 10 knots will have a higher percent of the total journey being taken up by transhipment time.

I have no idea what that means. Are you assuming ships on the Suez route will sail at 14 knots and those on the IMEC route will travel at 10 knots and in addition the trains will travel at 10 knots ? If so, why ? If not, please clarify your speed assumptions instead of throwing out a lot of words that mean nothing.

 

[Communism]

I think the main reason for "IMEC" hype is to get U.S. approval for the rail line.


The same project was probably being blocked by the U.S. when it had China attached to it.


AKA, this is secretly a U.S./China cooperation project but Biden needs to sell it this way to get support back home.


It doesn't seem to make much sense outside of that.

I have no idea what that means. Are you assuming ships on the Suez route will sail at 14 knots and those on the IMEC route will travel at 10 knots and in addition the trains will travel at 10 knots ? If so, why ? If not, please clarify your speed assumptions instead of throwing out a lot of words that mean nothing.

The Transshipment has a relatively fixed time cost, and having the container ship going faster is going to improve the speed of the fully sea-based route far more than the IMEC route, as the fully sea based route obviously has a longer distance traveled by sea.

 

[MMM-E]

You don't know, what india actually exports...

What does India export the most to Europe?

India's top exported products include petrochemicals, petroleum, gems and jewellery, plastic and footwear, pharma, auto and components, textiles, metals, agri, meat and sea food


wowwww what a technology
India and S.Arabia never can match with China in technology

 

[Silicon0000]

Best time to revive RCD routes

Best land route against this India middle east Europe route is China, Pakistan, Iran, Turkey Route.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

What does India export the most to Europe?

India's top exported products include petrochemicals, petroleum, gems and jewellery, plastic and footwear, pharma, auto and components, textiles, metals, agri, meat and sea food


wowwww what a technology
India and S.Arabia never can match with China in technology

Still better because few other countries exports donkey, etc...

 

[Communism]

The odd moves by the Biden Administration in relation to trade routes lately seems to be Biden's way to bamboozle the U.S. crazies into cooperating with China's BRI.


I think the economic elite finally got some traction in the U.S. behind the scenes.

 

[TriptiD]

I think the main reason for "IMEC" hype is to get U.S. approval for the rail line.


The same project was probably being blocked by the U.S. when it had China attached to it.


AKA, this is secretly a U.S./China cooperation project but Biden needs to sell it this way to get support back home.


It doesn't seem to make much sense outside of that.


The Transshipment has a relatively fixed time cost, and having the container ship going faster is going to improve the speed of the fully sea-based route far more than the IMEC route, as the fully sea based route obviously has a longer distance traveled by sea.

You had claimed that if ships traveled at 14 knots, both routes would take the same time. Do you still maintain that or have you realized you were wrong?

 

[One_Nation]

Its not the first time Italy switched side, won’t be the last .. lol

This corridor simply is NOT going to work.
Shipping to Saudi Arabia, then loading cargo on trains, then off-loading in Israel, then loading it on ships again. Come on! Why not load it on ships once and take it through the Suez Canal? Lot easier and cheaper!!!!

INdia proposed it , Europe Indian corridor is a gimmick. Economically and physically this corridor is not viable.

Add to this the switchiness of Saudi Arabia. They take direct orders from USA.

This way USA can have a leverage on both both India and Europe if this thing works at all.

 

[kaykay]

I think the main reason for "IMEC" hype is to get U.S. approval for the rail line.


The same project was probably being blocked by the U.S. when it had China attached to it.


AKA, this is secretly a U.S./China cooperation project but Biden needs to sell it this way to get support back home.


It doesn't seem to make much sense outside of that.


The Transshipment has a relatively fixed time cost, and having the container ship going faster is going to improve the speed of the fully sea-based route far more than the IMEC route, as the fully sea based route obviously has a longer distance traveled by sea.

What speed? Ships usually get stuck at Suez canal for 5-7 days on average to just cross....go to any ship tracking website and see for yourself on how fast ships go usually. Most would be about 10 knots as Its economical when it comes to fuel consumption.

 

[MMM-E]

Still better because few other countries exports donkey, etc...

YES , S.Arabia can export donkey,etc

Turkiye export Motor Vehicles and Automotive , Consumer electronics and home appliances , Machinery , Defense Industry , etc


-- Turkish automotive companies like TEMSA, OTOKAR and BMC are among one of the world's largest van, bus and truck manufacturers

-- Turkish brands like BEKO , ARCELIK and VESTEL are among the largest producers of consumer electronics and home appliances in Europe


The EU's imports from Turkiye totaled $103 billion in 2022
The EU's imports from India totaled $70 billion in 2022

 

[TriptiD]

YES , S.Arabia can export donkey,etc

Turkiye export Motor Vehicles and Automotive , Consumer electronics and home appliances , Machinery , Defense Industry , etc


-- Turkish automotive companies like TEMSA, OTOKAR and BMC are among one of the world's largest van, bus and truck manufacturers

-- Turkish brands like BEKO , ARCELIK and VESTEL are among the largest producers of consumer electronics and home appliances in Europe


The EU's imports from Turkiye totaled $103 billion in 2022
The EU's imports from India totaled $70 billion in 2022

The EU is also in a customs union with Turkey. Wait till they do a Free Trade Agreement with the US.

 

[Communism]

You had claimed that if ships traveled at 14 knots, both routes would take the same time. Do you still maintain that or have you realized you were wrong?

The source uses an unrealistic time of 24 hours for unloading from ship to rail, transit time, and loading from rail to ship.


In reality, it takes 1-3 days to unload a container ship.


This means 2-6 days will be taken simply from the 2 extra transshipment instances counting only the ship side.


Add to that the time taken to do drayage from ship to rail and rail to ship.


Add to that the travel time.


The source claims ~17.2 days from Mumbai to Piraeus by sea at 10 knots.


If we do 14 knots, it would go to ~12.29 days.


The source claims 10 days from Mumbai to Piraeus by IMEC.


~5.6 days from Mumbai to UAE, ~3.4 days from Haifa to Piraeus.


If we do 14 knots, it would go from 9 days for the sea portion to ~6.43 days for the sea portion.


Their wildly unrealistic figure of 24 hours for unloading from ship to rail, transit time, and loading from rail to ship is truly laughable.


I'd say at 14 knots it should be about equal, and at 16 knots it will be decidedly faster by sea.

What speed? Ships usually get stuck at Suez canal for 5-7 days on average to just cross....go to any ship tracking website and see for yourself on how fast ships go usually. Most would be about 10 knots as Its economical when it comes to fuel consumption.

If one adds delays, something like IMEC is far more likely to have delays than the Suez Canal.


There are simply far more steps that can go wrong.