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why has to pass by Israel?

The logical answer is that
a) India, UAE, and Europe want Israeli trade to also flow through this route. KSA too though presumably with some caveats.
b) It seems the most logical route if one is trying to avoid Pakistan and the Suez.
Some gentleman with apparently a sense of humour in this thread above suggested the alternative route for Indian trade include Pakistan, Syria and Lebanon which I can only imagine he had trouble typing because of bouts of uncontrollable laughter.

i don t know why saudis are interested in this project

Why would they not? It is fantastic for them if it ever actually happened. They (ie MBS) are gung ho about economy diversification and this would help increase trade, tourism, tech transfers and more.

It also might help Neom and The Line and the entire Saudi Vision 2030 become more of a reality.

Saudi Arabia does not only not mind Israel coming aboard, it is embracing the idea. It, KSA, is only including a peace deal with the Palestinians as a pre-requisite for a formal Israel-KSA peace deal. In every other facet the trend, as tentative as it might be, seems very clear indeed.


You have Egypt to connect to Greece by sea, no need for Israel in this route.


Think about it for a moment. You are proposing that Egypt spend money it (desperatly) doesn't have to build a possible competition to the Suez Canal, one of its main cash cows. For some inexplicable reason El-Sisi is not screaming that this alternative be considered.
 
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This route is useless, saudis does not need israel to have trade with India.

A route must be done between egypt, arabia, iran , pakistan and maybe India if respects muslims. US is pushing for this project does not interest any south western asian person in the region.
 
He doesn't,but he wants Turkey to be involved in every big deal the region does. Because he says "We are not some random country,we are Turkey".

Turks must not have a say in what south western asia must do. They must cope.
 
This route is useless, saudis does not need israel to have trade with India.
Of course not, but it makes trade between Israel and India and Saudi Arabia and Europe much easier.

A route must be done between egypt, arabia, iran , pakistan and maybe India if respects muslims. US is pushing for this project does not interest any south western asian person in the region.
The US, EU, Arabs, Israel and India are paying $$ for this route. Why will they chose a route that benefits Pakistan, Iran and Egypt?
 
so far it appears nothing but one of Joe Biden's vanity projects, although a counter strategy seems to be emerging if people follow recent development in geopolitics and are keen to connect the dots.

it involves North Korea, NE China and Russia's far east region. so far no term has been coined nor joint statement released, but that's how China has been doing things in recent years: everything was kept a low profile. if all on board, this development plan could have a few merits compare to IMEC if you think about it:

abundant natural resources of Russia
untapped cheap labor of NK
infrastructures and tech know-hows of China
transit route to Europe through Arctic waterways (thanks to global warming), with no hassle switching between freight trains and ships, no tonnage limit by Suez...

just a few things that come to mind,,
 
This is the G20 version of MBS’ NOEM. ITs a me too play to figure out a reason to galvinize a set of countries that don’t have much to galvanize.

If this was 1870, Suez Canal did not exist, and there was no major freight container ships, okay made sense. The world is full of container fleet, and shipping costs are down to 2019 levels, and this breakthrough in rail bridge coming up, which will need a ship as part of the transit route.

EIther this, or US is planning on blowing up the Suez to make this dream have some practical application. Other than that, this is NOEM for the G20, worthless idea to get some press coverage
 
Value of Indian exports to the European Union in financial year 2023, by country of destination

The Netherlands : $21 billion
Germany : $10 billion
Belgium : $8.8 bil
Italy : $8,6 bil
France : $7,6 bil
Spain : $4,6

total of almost $70 billion



on the other hand
The EU's imports from China totaled €626 billion in 2022




Even the value of goods and services exported from Turkiye to the EU27 countries amounted to approximately $103 billion in 2022





-- In 2022, exports from Israel to the European Union (EU) reached a value of nearly $18 billion

-- European Union Imports from Saudi Arabia was $46 billion during 2022
Those are all functions of proximity and accessibility.

If such a trade route is established, Israeli-Saudi-Indian-UAE exports to Europe would be much larger.
 

G20 Consequence: Will Pakistan Endup Being A Blip On The Map?​

The significance of Pakistan for India lies in its connection to Central Asia, particularly for access to the region's oil, gas, and non-oil markets​

  • September 16, 2023

G20 Consequence: Will Pakistan Endup Being A Blip On The Map?



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During the G20 summit in New Delhi on September 10, 2023, Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MBS) announced signing more than 50 Memorandum of Understanding (MoUs) between Saudi Arabia and India. The MoUs aim to establish a new economic corridor to build railways, pipelines for the transmission of hydrogen and electricity, and ensure a major contribution to global energy security. The corridor will interconnect India, the Middle East, and Europe, thereby facilitating enhanced commercial trade among these regions.
On September 11, 2023, Crown Prince Muhammad Bin Salman made a state visit to India. He was accompanied by a sizable delegation comprising ministers and business representatives. The visit was concluded by signing more than 50 MoUs/agreements worth $100 billion with Prime Minister of India Narendra Modi, among which a comprehensive energy partnership received particular emphasis.
Being a member of the G20 group, Saudi Arabia occupies a substantial position within India's strategic outreach to the Middle East North Africa (MENA) region, alongside Turkey. Having the largest economy in the Middle Eastern World, Saudi Arabia plays a pivotal role in India's strategic considerations. In the fiscal year 2022-2023, bilateral trade between India and Saudi Arabia reached approximately $52.76 billion, with India experiencing a trade deficit of $31.31 billion due to imports amounting to $42.04 billion and exports totalling $10.73 billion.
It is utterly illogical to assume that India, Arab nations, Israel, and European countries, which have opposed China's Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), would rely on China for their own Belt and Road projects
Pakistani security and political analysts suggest that as Saudi Arabia is forging political and economic ties with Israel through a proposed economic corridor linking India with the entire Middle East, Pakistan should reassess its relationship with India for economic reasons and regional connectivity. They propose that Pakistan should pave the way for India to connect with the Arab nations through Gwadar port.


G20 Summit In India: The View From Pakistan


The regional geo-strategic and geo-economic realities are different. Saudi Arabia and Israel do not need Pakistan in either case. Additionally, India possesses far better ports in the Arabian Sea compared to Gwadar for connecting with the Middle Eastern world. India has even inked agreements with the United States for a strategic partnership to provide shipbuilding facilities and oil exchange to the US at its ports. PM Modi and President Biden have also hailed the signing of agreements to cooperate in the fields of Quantum Economic Development, Telecommunications, Space Technology, Semiconductor Supply Chain, and Artificial Intelligence.
Notwithstanding these facts, Pakistan has almost ceded control of Gwadar port to China, thereby leaving Pakistan devoid of authority over the port. It is utterly illogical to assume that India, Arab nations, Israel, and European countries, which have opposed China's Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), would rely on China for their own Belt and Road projects. Furthermore, it would be irrational for China to relinquish its strategic port to India, Israel, and Europe for their economic and political interests.
The significance of Pakistan for India lies in its connection to Central Asia, particularly for access to the region's oil, gas, and non-oil markets. India's route to Central Asia entails linking with Iran through a pipeline and subsequently traversing Afghanistan. Pakistan falls on this route. However, following Russia's cessation of gas supply to Europe, India has realized that it no longer necessitates Pakistan. India withdrew from the gas pipeline project due to American sanctions on Iran, and the Pakistan-Iran project is also on hold. Iran is even threatening Pakistan with an $18 billion penalty if it fails to complete the project.
Currently, India aligns itself with the West, where Iran is viewed as an adversary rather than a friend. Other Central Asian countries still maintain their ties with Russia, but they are gradually succumbing to China's influence. Consequently, if geopolitical and geo-strategic scenarios are changed in the future, India will not rely on Central Asia, at least not via Pakistan but Iran. Additionally, India possesses its own port, Chahbahar, for trade with Afghanistan and the CARs. India also acknowledges that the ongoing conflict between the Taliban and Pakistan has disrupted trade routes and commerce with Afghanistan. Looking for alternate routes becomes essential for India.


Pakistan's Reckoning After The G20 Summit


During the fiscal year of 2019-2020, the trade volume between Pakistan and Afghanistan was around $4 billion, but this figure has decreased to $1 billion in subsequent years. Despite its dire economic situation, Pakistan has kept its business channels closed and is willing to bear the loss of the remaining $3 billion. It appears that the relationship between Pakistan and Afghanistan is deteriorating. The supply of coal from Afghanistan, vital for Pakistan's power plants, has also been disturbed after heavy taxes were imposed on it by the Afghan Taliban. It has further impeded Pakistan's capacity to generate affordable electricity.
Today's Taliban are not Pakistan's Frankensteins, rather they are rulers of Afghanistan. Their current role in governance is categorically distinct from their previous role
Moreover, Pakistan has blocked trade and business routes to Afghanistan to exert pressure on the Taliban government to act against the Pakistani Taliban (TTP). Compliance by the Taliban could lead to internal rebellion and the collapse of their own government. However, these sanctions imposed by Pakistan will impact the remaining $1.4 billion in trade. If the situation remains the same, India and Iran, through Chahbahar, are likely to meet Afghanistan's needs instead.
Another consequence of these actions is that the interim Afghan Taliban government may gravitate towards India and Iran, distancing itself from Pakistan.
The untoward economic and security developments between the two immediate neighbours favour none. To add more, the Pakistani Taliban's attacks on border areas and their attempted occupation of certain territories have deeply alarmed the Pakistani government and military, prompting them to reconsider their strategy towards Afghanistan and combatting militants in the borderlands.


India At The G20: Is The Glitter Just Surface Deep?


Significant changes have already occurred in Afghanistan. This is not the Afghanistan of the 1990s. The polarization has not only affected the Afghan Taliban on ideological grounds but has also compelled ordinary Afghans to rethink in liberal terms. Religious fanaticism no longer holds sway in Afghanistan. Today's Taliban are not Pakistan's Frankensteins, rather they are rulers of Afghanistan. Their current role in governance is categorically distinct from their previous role, which brought Afghanistan to the brink of complete disaster.
Afghans also expect their government to deliver necessary services and functions. Similarly, the character of the Taliban has evolved over the past 20 years of the US presence in Afghanistan. They are reimagining the principles of governance and demonstrating a far better understanding of how to handle the crisis to ensure stability and security.
In the evolving regional geopolitical and geo-strategic landscape, Pakistan must reassess its political and economic policies accordingly. Losing Afghanistan and Iran means losing economic, political, and security interests in the region. Failure to implement effective policies and pursue goals will lead the country towards isolation and confront it with vibrant economic and political challenges.
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Those are all functions of proximity and accessibility.

If such a trade route is established, Israeli-Saudi-Indian-UAE exports to Europe would be much larger.

Camel or Kippa ?

backward India - S.Arabia can counter China’s BRI Project with IMEC project ?
-- China is now in some areas and by some measures a world leader in high-tech

-- China has become a centre of global production

-- China aims to establish a vast network of railways, energy pipelines, and highways to connect countries across Asia, Africa, Europe ........ and China has signed cooperation documents for the project with over 150 countries


in 2022 , high-technology exports for China was nearly $1 trillion

Broadcasting Equipment ($231B), Computers ($192B), Integrated Circuits ($158B), Office Machine Parts ($101B), and Telephones ($53.9B).

China is the largest exporter of technology

1 -- China nearly $1 trillion
2 -- Hong Kong $431 billion
3-- Germany $210 billion
4 -- USA $169 billion



What does China export the most to Europe?
The most exported manufactured goods were machinery & vehicles (52 %), followed by other manufactured goods (19 %) and chemicals (16 %). In 2022


What does India export the most to Europe?

India's top exported products include petrochemicals, petroleum, gems and jewellery, plastic and footwear, pharma, auto and components, textiles, metals, agri, meat and sea food


India-Israel-S.Arabia dont have enough technology and production capability to match with China
 
Camel or Kippa ?

backward India - S.Arabia can counter China’s BRI Project with IMEC project ?
-- China is now in some areas and by some measures a world leader in high-tech

-- China has become a centre of global production

-- China aims to establish a vast network of railways, energy pipelines, and highways to connect countries across Asia, Africa, Europe ........ and China has signed cooperation documents for the project with over 150 countries


in 2022 , high-technology exports for China was nearly $1 trillion

Broadcasting Equipment ($231B), Computers ($192B), Integrated Circuits ($158B), Office Machine Parts ($101B), and Telephones ($53.9B).

China is the largest exporter of technology

1 -- China nearly $1 trillion
2 -- Hong Kong $431 billion
3-- Germany $210 billion
4 -- USA $169 billion



What does China export the most to Europe?
The most exported manufactured goods were machinery & vehicles (52 %), followed by other manufactured goods (19 %) and chemicals (16 %). In 2022


What does India export the most to Europe?

India's top exported products include petrochemicals, petroleum, gems and jewellery, plastic and footwear, pharma, auto and components, textiles, metals, agri, meat and sea food


India-Israel-S.Arabia dont have enough technology and production capability to match with China
Why are you trying to make this a competition lol?

Those aren't mutually exclusive.
 
Why are you trying to make this a competition lol?

Because USA uses puppets India , Israel , S.Arabia to counter China's $1 trillion BRI project

USA has launched a trade war on China
now an economic war by BIDEN to cut China off from the international supply chain

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FRAUD: Why the India-Middleast-Europe Economic Corridor (IMEC) is a Total Fraud?



Will China-Pakistan-Iran-Turkey-Iraq-Syria & Central Asian Republics BRI and the Pak-China CPEC checkmated/By-Passed now from the region ?
 
so far it appears nothing but one of Joe Biden's vanity projects, although a counter strategy seems to be emerging if people follow recent development in geopolitics and are keen to connect the dots.

it involves North Korea, NE China and Russia's far east region. so far no term has been coined nor joint statement released, but that's how China has been doing things in recent years: everything was kept a low profile. if all on board, this development plan could have a few merits compare to IMEC if you think about it:

abundant natural resources of Russia
untapped cheap labor of NK
infrastructures and tech know-hows of China
transit route to Europe through Arctic waterways (thanks to global warming), with no hassle switching between freight trains and ships, no tonnage limit by Suez...

just a few things that come to mind,,

The Arctic is still ice ridden in winter. Any plans not to ship stuff in Winter

North Korea's untapped labor. that was a nice joke :enjoy:
 

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