Pakistan-Turkey 4 Milgem Ada Class Corvettes Contract - Construction started

[TURUL]

will the Jinnah-Class ships radar be the Smart S MK2 or a Chinese one ?

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

will the Jinnah-Class ships radar be the Smart S MK2 or a Chinese one ?

SMART-S Mk2 3D Search Radar,

 

[Gryphon]

Pakistan – PN MILGEM Combat Systems Contract

Issue 97

Within the scope of the Pakistan MILGEM Project (PN MILGEM), which is the biggest export ever achieved by the Turkish defence industry in a single batch and includes the construction of 4 corvettes, the Pakistan MILGEM (PN MILGEM) Combat Systems Contract was signed between ASFAT, Havelsan and Aselsan. During the contract signing ceremony for the procurement and integration of combat systems, National Defence Minister Hulusi AKAR, Havelsan Chairman of the Board Prof. Hacı Ali MANTAR, Havelsan General Manager Ahmet Hamdi ATALAY, Aselsan Chairman of the Board and CEO Haluk GÖRGÜN were present.

ASFAT CEO Esad AKGÜN, the main contractor of the project, said in his speech at the ceremony that the project is important to reveal that Turkish engineers performed the design and production within international standards and even beyond and share these capabilities generously with their Pakistani brothers. Emphasizing that exports are the only solution for the sustainability and dynamism of the defence industry, AKGÜN said exports are not just an option for the defence industry, they are a necessity. Esad AKGÜN pointed out that the Pakistan Corvette Project will be completed with the principle of the lowest cost, highest quality and shortest time period and added that Pakistan will gain new capabilities in design and shipbuilding when the project is completed.

Minister of National Defence Hulusi AKAR expressed his gratitude to all employees who contributed to the project, while Havelsan General Manager Ahmet Hamdi ATALAY placed emphasis on the ADVENT Combat Management System in his speech and said: “We are proud that the next generation Network Enabled Data Integrated Combat Management System (ADVENT), jointly developed by Havelsan and the Turkish Navy and which is owned by only a few countries in the world, will be used on the ships of friendly and our brother country Pakistan”. Underlining that this system developed by nearly 6 million lines of code is being used for the first time on Turkey’s 4th MİLGEM ship, he said they aim to gain ADVENT also to other platforms in the inventory. ATALAY said that they will assume the task of integrating all weapons and sensors in the project as well. Havelsan, the Main Integrator of the project's Combat System, will also supply the ADVENT Combat Management System, Ship Data Distribution System and Ship Information System of the Pakistani Ships.

Aselsan CEO Haluk GÖRGÜN said the Electronic Warfare System, Fire Control Radar, Laser Warning System, Torpedo Countermeasure System, 3D Search Radar, Navigation and LPI Radar, Navigation Support Systems, Inertial Navigation System, Combat Systems, 76 mm Gun Fire Control System and 25 mm Stabilized Gun System will be provided by Aselsan.

Pakistan – PN MILGEM Combat Systems Contract | defenceturkey.com

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Pakistan – PN MILGEM Combat Systems Contract

Issue 97

Within the scope of the Pakistan MILGEM Project (PN MILGEM), which is the biggest export ever achieved by the Turkish defence industry in a single batch and includes the construction of 4 corvettes, the Pakistan MILGEM (PN MILGEM) Combat Systems Contract was signed between ASFAT, Havelsan and Aselsan. During the contract signing ceremony for the procurement and integration of combat systems, National Defence Minister Hulusi AKAR, Havelsan Chairman of the Board Prof. Hacı Ali MANTAR, Havelsan General Manager Ahmet Hamdi ATALAY, Aselsan Chairman of the Board and CEO Haluk GÖRGÜN were present.

ASFAT CEO Esad AKGÜN, the main contractor of the project, said in his speech at the ceremony that the project is important to reveal that Turkish engineers performed the design and production within international standards and even beyond and share these capabilities generously with their Pakistani brothers. Emphasizing that exports are the only solution for the sustainability and dynamism of the defence industry, AKGÜN said exports are not just an option for the defence industry, they are a necessity. Esad AKGÜN pointed out that the Pakistan Corvette Project will be completed with the principle of the lowest cost, highest quality and shortest time period and added that Pakistan will gain new capabilities in design and shipbuilding when the project is completed.

Minister of National Defence Hulusi AKAR expressed his gratitude to all employees who contributed to the project, while Havelsan General Manager Ahmet Hamdi ATALAY placed emphasis on the ADVENT Combat Management System in his speech and said: “We are proud that the next generation Network Enabled Data Integrated Combat Management System (ADVENT), jointly developed by Havelsan and the Turkish Navy and which is owned by only a few countries in the world, will be used on the ships of friendly and our brother country Pakistan”. Underlining that this system developed by nearly 6 million lines of code is being used for the first time on Turkey’s 4th MİLGEM ship, he said they aim to gain ADVENT also to other platforms in the inventory. ATALAY said that they will assume the task of integrating all weapons and sensors in the project as well. Havelsan, the Main Integrator of the project's Combat System, will also supply the ADVENT Combat Management System, Ship Data Distribution System and Ship Information System of the Pakistani Ships.

Aselsan CEO Haluk GÖRGÜN said the Electronic Warfare System, Fire Control Radar, Laser Warning System, Torpedo Countermeasure System, 3D Search Radar, Navigation and LPI Radar, Navigation Support Systems, Inertial Navigation System, Combat Systems, 76 mm Gun Fire Control System and 25 mm Stabilized Gun System will be provided by Aselsan.

Pakistan – PN MILGEM Combat Systems Contract | defenceturkey.com

Any news about its Air Defence Missiles and Anti Submarine systems?

 

[Sulman Badshah]

IMP Points from Article

> he first ship will be completed in the T0+54th month in Turkey, the second ship in the 60th month in Pakistan, the third ship in the 66th month in Turkey, and the last ship in the 72th month in Pakistan. There will be a 6-year time difference between the construction of the first ship and the delivery of the fourth ship

> will be equipped with a Vertical Launching System (VLS). However, he did not share any information about the number of ships to be equipped with the VLS.

> there would be some differences in the design of the fourth Jinnah Class Frigate. the fourth vessel would be designed jointly, and it will also be the first frigate designed by Pakistan with its own means.

> Due to VLS integration, the Jinnah Class will be longer and heavier than the ADA Class.

> C802 / Harpoon/ Atmaca / Harbah will be deployed

> can launch LY-80/HHQ-16 Medium Range Air Defence Missiles.

> Havelsan ADVENT Combat Management System (CMS), Aselsan ARES-2N ESM (ships are also expected to use AREAS-2NC ECM System), HIZIR Torpedo Countermeasure System, SMART-S Mk2 3D Search Radar, YALTES product EPKİS Integrated Platform Management System, and the Meteksan Defence product the YAKAMOS Hull-Mounted Sonar System.

> The Jinnah Class Frigates will also be equipped with the Naval Information Exchange System (NIXS) developed by MilSoft for the Pakistan Navy and the indigenous data-link system “Link Green.”

https://www.defenceturkey.com/en/content/a-look-at-latest-status-of-the-pn-milgem-project-3824

 

[ali_raza]

totally supplementery purchase
nothing much in it after yarmouk induction seems like navy had to please someone

 

[SBUS-CXK]

The Search Radar is from Thales and Aselsan and the weapons LY 80 and C 802 are Chineese. Have Chineese allowed the integeration of their weapons with Turkish Radar?
Moreover, there is a size difference between Harbah and C 802 means there will alterations when Harbah will be fitted. Does'nt it shows that harbah is not operational as of now otherwise there is no need of first fitting it with C 802 and then Harbah


Dont u think we need 4 destroyers now with each accompanying 1 PN Battalion. We need long range Air defence systems like that of HQ 9 which PLAN have on its destroyers. The long range air defence offer better protection against likes of Supersonic AshM like Brahmos

don't worry. "Export-oriented arms" don't need to consider these problem. Turkey warships free to use Chinese missiles.

 

[Tipu7]

totally supplementery purchase
nothing much in it after yarmouk induction seems like navy had to please someone

Hold on a minute. These two are entirely different cetagory of ships meant to play entirely different roles. One is a corvette, other is frigate.

Y-class is meant to deploy in North Arabia Sea while J-class work exists in South Arabian Sea.

In over simple comparison: 1 J-class, in terms of multidimensional combat capability, is equivalent to 3 Y-class vessels (if each Y-class is modeled specifically for surface, subsurface and air defense missions).

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Hold on a minute. These two are entirely different cetagory of ships meant to play entirely different roles. One is a corvette, other is frigate.

Y-class is meant to deploy in North Arabia Sea while J-class work exists in South Arabian Sea.

In over simple comparison: 1 J-class, in terms of multidimensional combat capability, is equivalent to 3 Y-class vessels (if each Y-class is modeled specifically for surface, subsurface and air defense missions).

Agreed. Moreover, because the J-Class is coming with IP transfer (with the 4th ship being designed in Pakistan), this ship will also be the basis of next-generation PN frigates. But those contracts will go to NRDI, KSEW, Gwadar, etc.

That said, there have been reports of the PN working with other vendors on corvettes and large patrol vessels (the latter with Swiftships). So, it'll be interesting to see if they buyout design rights for a smaller, low-cost ship too.

 

[Tipu7]

Moreover, because the J-Class is coming with IP transfer (with the 4th ship being designed in Pakistan), this ship will also be the basis of next-generation PN frigates. But those contracts will go to NRDI, KSEW, Gwadar, etc.

And this explains why J-class is uniquely important for PN despite purchasing Type-54AP frigates.

That said, there have been reports of the PN working with other vendors on corvettes and large patrol vessels (the latter with Swiftships). So, it'll be interesting to see if they buyout design rights for a smaller, low-cost ship too

Not aware of other vendors, but PN is acquiring Y-class (as far as I know) in different configurations. PNS Yarmook is more focussed towards Anti-Ship role while PNS Tabook will be configured differently (probably will house Torpedo tubes in place of ASM and SHORADS in place of CIWS).

And let's not forget, option for two more vessels is there too.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

And this explains why J-class is uniquely important for PN despite purchasing Type-54AP frigates.

Not aware of other vendors, but PN is acquiring Y-class (as far as I know) in different configurations. PNS Yarmook is more focussed towards Anti-Ship role while PNS Tabook will be configured differently (probably will house Torpedo tubes in place of ASM and SHORADS in place of CIWS).

And let's not forget, option for two more vessels is there too.

Yep, there's the option for 2 additional corvettes, but Swiftships is also working on a FPC/LPC in Pakistan.

Mr Shah confirmed the company was also in Pakistan to build a 45m steel FPV at the Karachi Shipyard and Engineering Works as part of a joint venture.

https://swiftships.com/swiftly-redefining-tomorrows-navies-today/
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The Y-Class is a commercial spec ship (steel hull, aluminium superstructure) at heart, it doesn't cost more than $50-60 m per ship (minus sensors and weapons). It's a cost-effective way to police the EEZ, but can also be the basis for low-cost littoral defence corvettes (i.e., armed with ASW, AShW, and AAW).

Basically, imagine taking the ship design expertise from the J-Class, and then designing a low-cost multi-mission corvette -- i.e., built like a OPV, but armed like a frigate (AShM, LWTs, MR-SAMs).

 

[Tipu7]

Swiftships is also working on a FPC/LPC in Pakistan.

Mr Shah confirmed the company was also in Pakistan to build a 45m steel FPV at the Karachi Shipyard and Engineering Works as part of a joint venture.

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I thought Swiftship and Daman shipyard were in competition for same order of PN. It's good thing if Swiftclass are in equation, separately.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

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I thought Swiftship and Daman shipyard were in competition for same order of PN. It's good thing if Swiftclass are in equation.

They were, but Swiftships wants to work with the PN in other ways, besides ships. If things go according to plan, I think we could see an original Pakistani corvette with localized steel hull and aluminium superstructure supply. And Project Azm's industry inputs take off, then we may be able to factor in composite production too.

Karachi Shipyard Engineering Works Ltd has joined hands with USA based ships manufacturer M/s Swiftship for co-production of steel, Aluminium and fibre hull boards for Pakistan Navy, fisheries and commercial sector. The Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) was signed between rear admiral Athar Saleem and Shehraze Shah on the third day of International Defence Exhibition and Seminar (IDEAS)-2018.

Talking to Business Recorder, Commodore Jahanzeb Ahsan SI (M), project director, Karachi Shipyard Engineering Works Ltd said that this MoU was for collaboration regarding co-production of steel, Aluminium and fibre hull boards for Pakistan Navy, fisheries and commercial sector. He said that Karachi Shipyard would work as regional manufacturing hub for USA based ship building company and do co-production of steel, Aluminium and fibre hull boards for Pakistan Navy, fisheries and commercial sector in Karachi.

https://fp.brecorder.com/2018/11/20181130427471/
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@Tipu7, seriously think about it, we're sitting on an amazing competitive edge, we just don't realize it nor are we leveraging it. Basically, because we've been sanctioned, and because we are low on fiscal flexibility, our forces must think outside of the box, and create solutions that deliver national security interests at an unrealistically low cost, except we made it a reality.

Combine the J-Class' design expertise with localized hull and superstructure manufacturing, original/domestic subsystem design (with mixed foreign and local inputs), and local weapons development (again with mixed foreign and COTS inputs), you can get a multirole corvette.

Now combine that with JF-17, MALE UAV, LRMPA, a PAC turboprop that can double as a special mission aircraft (AEW&C, MPA, ISTAR, etc), a mini-SSK/SWAT, etc. It's a turnkey defence package. We'll just need a helicopter program (utility, special mission and attack), and we're all good to go.

 

[ali_raza]

Hold on a minute. These two are entirely different cetagory of ships meant to play entirely different roles. One is a corvette, other is frigate.

Y-class is meant to deploy in North Arabia Sea while J-class work exists in South Arabian Sea.

In over simple comparison: 1 J-class, in terms of multidimensional combat capability, is equivalent to 3 Y-class vessels (if each Y-class is modeled specifically for surface, subsurface and air defense missions).

dont hold on my account buddy
i m not talking about jinnah class which we will see in 2028
m talking about milgem which is a corvette with a price of frigate

 

[Tipu7]

dont hold on my account buddy
i m not talking about jinnah class which we will see in 2028
m talking about milgem which is a corvette with a price of frigate

The three Pakistan Navy Milgems are J-class frigates. Fourth Ship will be even different. We are not buying the Milgem corvettes in configuration which are operational in Turkish Navy.

@Tipu7, seriously think about it, we're sitting on an amazing competitive edge, we just don't realize it nor are we leveraging it. Basically, because we've been sanctioned, and because we are low on fiscal flexibility, our forces must think outside of the box, and create solutions that deliver national security interests at an unrealistically low cost, except we made it a reality.

Combine the J-Class' design expertise with localized hull and superstructure manufacturing, original/domestic subsystem design (with mixed foreign and local inputs), and local weapons development (again with mixed foreign and COTS inputs), you can get a multirole corvette.

Now combine that with JF-17, MALE UAV, LRMPA, a PAC turboprop that can double as a special mission aircraft (AEW&C, MPA, ISTAR, etc), a mini-SSK/SWAT, etc. It's a turnkey defence package. We'll just need a helicopter program (utility, special mission and attack), and we're all good to go.

Yeah Air Force and Navy are slowly moving towards enhanced indigenization and development of domestically tailored weapon systems and support equipment, but our industrial and economic capability is very limited. We have barely managed to keep Jf17 project on track and are still struggling to evolve it into a project of our expectations. All because the economic support is limited. As long as the economic support is limited, all our initiatives of local defense production will end up in jeopardy.