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PARIS: JF-17 wins first export order
By: GREG WALDRON
PARIS
The Chengdu/Pakistan Aeronautical Complex JF-17 Thunder fighter has secured its first confirmed export deal.
“A contract has been signed with an Asian country,” says Air Commodore Khalid Mahmood, the Pakistan air force officer who leads sales and marketing efforts for the type.
Citing client sensitivities, he declined to specify the customer and the number of aircraft it will obtain. Deliveries will start in 2017.
He says that sales for the JF-17, which is targeted for developing nations, have been held up by political turmoil in several Middle Eastern countries.
The aircraft is making its flying debut at this year’s air show. Pakistan’s air force has brought three examples this year. One will appear on the static display, one will appear in the flying display, and the third will serve as a backup.
The JF-17 contingent at Paris this year is 80 strong, representing a significant marketing push. Khalid says the show is a good venue for meeting prospective customers from French speaking countries.
He says that 11 countries are looking at the type, which mirrors previous comments made by Chinese defence export agency Catic, which also markets the aircraft, and Pakistan air force officials.
Khalid also provided an update of Pakistan’s induction of the type. So far, 54 examples have been delivered. The first 50 were originally delivered in a Block I configuration, and these are in the process of being updated to a Block II standard. The Block II configuration features improved avionics and better software, and adds a fixed air-to-air refuelling probe.
An additional 46 aircraft will be delivered in the Block II configuration. A subsequent 50 aircraft, which will push Pakistan’s fleet to 150 examples, will have a Block III configuration. These will all be delivered by the end of 2018.
The aircraft’s developers are still working out the specifications of the Block III aircraft, but upgrades could include an active electronically scanned array (AESA) or Passive electronically scanned array (PESA) radar, says Khalid. The configuration could also include an infrared search and track (IRST) sensor, stations under the forward fuselage for various pods, and expanded precision weapons capabilities.
A two-seat variant is also planned, which will serve mainly as a trainer. Pakistan produces 58% of the airframe and China 42%. The JF-17 is powered by a single Klimov RD-93 engine.
Myanmar is the likely customer and FC1 will be the aircraft.
By: GREG WALDRON
PARIS
The Chengdu/Pakistan Aeronautical Complex JF-17 Thunder fighter has secured its first confirmed export deal.
“A contract has been signed with an Asian country,” says Air Commodore Khalid Mahmood, the Pakistan air force officer who leads sales and marketing efforts for the type.
Citing client sensitivities, he declined to specify the customer and the number of aircraft it will obtain. Deliveries will start in 2017.
He says that sales for the JF-17, which is targeted for developing nations, have been held up by political turmoil in several Middle Eastern countries.
The aircraft is making its flying debut at this year’s air show. Pakistan’s air force has brought three examples this year. One will appear on the static display, one will appear in the flying display, and the third will serve as a backup.
The JF-17 contingent at Paris this year is 80 strong, representing a significant marketing push. Khalid says the show is a good venue for meeting prospective customers from French speaking countries.
He says that 11 countries are looking at the type, which mirrors previous comments made by Chinese defence export agency Catic, which also markets the aircraft, and Pakistan air force officials.
Khalid also provided an update of Pakistan’s induction of the type. So far, 54 examples have been delivered. The first 50 were originally delivered in a Block I configuration, and these are in the process of being updated to a Block II standard. The Block II configuration features improved avionics and better software, and adds a fixed air-to-air refuelling probe.
An additional 46 aircraft will be delivered in the Block II configuration. A subsequent 50 aircraft, which will push Pakistan’s fleet to 150 examples, will have a Block III configuration. These will all be delivered by the end of 2018.
The aircraft’s developers are still working out the specifications of the Block III aircraft, but upgrades could include an active electronically scanned array (AESA) or Passive electronically scanned array (PESA) radar, says Khalid. The configuration could also include an infrared search and track (IRST) sensor, stations under the forward fuselage for various pods, and expanded precision weapons capabilities.
A two-seat variant is also planned, which will serve mainly as a trainer. Pakistan produces 58% of the airframe and China 42%. The JF-17 is powered by a single Klimov RD-93 engine.
Myanmar is the likely customer and FC1 will be the aircraft.
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I don't think we would sale at $15/- Million per copy it's gonna be between 20-25 mill at least as only blk2 will be made now and it's price is max $25 mill per copy, plus the basic training general, maintenance work shops, machinery training will add up cost by 1-2 million depends on number of aircraft's. Grabbing this deal will be a bench mark for future sales and the price would suggest the price for future sales. If this deal's go cheap all future deals will be affected by this one.
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The FC1 is the basic configuration that would be sold to the customer IMO as JF17 is PAF specific. So it will be the low cost solution which is around 15 mill.
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The jointly-developed Chengdu/Pakistan Aeronautical ComplexJF-17 has secured its first export customer . The buyer is an undisclosed Asian nation, with the aircraft set for delivery starting in 2017. Myanmar showed signs of interest in the JF-17 back in June 2014 , with eleven states looking into procuring the aircraft, according to Pakistani and Chinese officials.
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PARIS AIR SHOW
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JF-17 Thunder Gets First Export Customer
by David Donald
June 15, 2015, 2:10 AM
Being exhibited at the Paris Air Show for the first time, the PAC/Chengdu JF-17 Thunder has secured a first export customer, according to the program office. Details of the customer, or the number of aircraft involved, remain undisclosed, but the first delivery is due in 2017. Furthermore, Air Commodore Khalid Mahmood, chief executive for JF-17 sales and marketing, told AIN that there were “12 interested countries at different stages.
Located at Kamra, Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) has completed the Block 1 production of 50 aircraft for the Pakistan Air Force, the first eight of which were built as a pre-production batch but which have subsequently been raised to full operational capability. Another 50 aircraft in Block 2 are now in production, of which the air force has taken delivery of four. The build rate is currently running at 25 aircraft per year, but PAC is investigating increases that might be required in the future. The Block 2 aircraft feature inflight refuelling capability and improvements to avionics, electronic warfare equipment and other areas.
Now PAC and Chengdu are working on two major developments for the JF-17. Pakistan’s planned Block 3 aircraft is still to be defined, but a key area under study is a new radar, of Chinese origin, which could be a passive or electronically scanned antenna type. Another likely feature of Block 3 is the addition of a chin-station to allow the carriage of a targeting pod without having to give up a weapon station under the wing.
Pakistan has formal plans to acquire 50 Block 3 JF-17s, although that figure could rise. Aircraft from earlier blocks are likely to be upgraded to the later standard.
Two-seat Version Forthcoming
Another line of development for PAC and Chengdu is that of the two-seat JF-17B, driven partly by the needs of the export market. A model was displayed at the 2013 Paris show and again this year, while the formal go-ahead for the project was given around six months ago.
The two-seater is scheduled to fly at Chengdu’s plant in China in December 2016. The JF-17B retains full combat capability, and as much of the existing airframe is being kept as possible. The design features a humped dorsal spine to restore the fuel capacity displaced by the second seat, in turn requiring a dorsal fin to restore keel area.
In terms of JF-17 powerplant, Air Commodore Mahmood told AIN that, “We’re satisfied with the [Russian Klimov] RD-93, but some customers may want another engine. We have done preliminary studies on the [Eurojet] EJ200 and [Snecma] M88. They are doable.”
One area in which the JF-17 team is expanding options is that of ordnance. Currently, the aircraft is integrated with three Chinese weapons–the PL-5 and SD-10 air-to-air missiles and the C-802AK long-range anti-ship missile. Other ordnance used by the aircraft is produced in Pakistan by the Air Weapons Complex.
Recognizing that potential customers may wish to use older weapons in their inventories or those from other sources, a dedicated air force flight-test group has been established at Kamra to conduct weapons integration and other trials. The unit is currently involved in testing a GPS-guided kit of Pakistani origin that converts Mk 80-series bombs into precision weapons.
The air force has also implemented an integrated logistics support system for the JF-17, and full support is part of the export offering being made by Chengdu and PAC. The two companies are both marketing the JF-17 (also known as FC-1), either jointly or independently, focusing particularly on the low cost of acquisition compared with other fighters, as well as the low operating costs that accompany a new aircraft as opposed to the purchase of second-hand fighters. Regardless of which nation secures a sale, the work share for any export deal is similar.
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JF-17 Thunder Gets First Export Customer
by David Donald
June 15, 2015, 2:10 AM
Being exhibited at the Paris Air Show for the first time, the PAC/Chengdu JF-17 Thunder has secured a first export customer, according to the program office. Details of the customer, or the number of aircraft involved, remain undisclosed, but the first delivery is due in 2017. Furthermore, Air Commodore Khalid Mahmood, chief executive for JF-17 sales and marketing, told AIN that there were “12 interested countries at different stages.
Located at Kamra, Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) has completed the Block 1 production of 50 aircraft for the Pakistan Air Force, the first eight of which were built as a pre-production batch but which have subsequently been raised to full operational capability. Another 50 aircraft in Block 2 are now in production, of which the air force has taken delivery of four. The build rate is currently running at 25 aircraft per year, but PAC is investigating increases that might be required in the future. The Block 2 aircraft feature inflight refuelling capability and improvements to avionics, electronic warfare equipment and other areas.
Now PAC and Chengdu are working on two major developments for the JF-17. Pakistan’s planned Block 3 aircraft is still to be defined, but a key area under study is a new radar, of Chinese origin, which could be a passive or electronically scanned antenna type. Another likely feature of Block 3 is the addition of a chin-station to allow the carriage of a targeting pod without having to give up a weapon station under the wing.
Pakistan has formal plans to acquire 50 Block 3 JF-17s, although that figure could rise. Aircraft from earlier blocks are likely to be upgraded to the later standard.
Two-seat Version Forthcoming
Another line of development for PAC and Chengdu is that of the two-seat JF-17B, driven partly by the needs of the export market. A model was displayed at the 2013 Paris show and again this year, while the formal go-ahead for the project was given around six months ago.
The two-seater is scheduled to fly at Chengdu’s plant in China in December 2016. The JF-17B retains full combat capability, and as much of the existing airframe is being kept as possible. The design features a humped dorsal spine to restore the fuel capacity displaced by the second seat, in turn requiring a dorsal fin to restore keel area.
In terms of JF-17 powerplant, Air Commodore Mahmood told AIN that, “We’re satisfied with the [Russian Klimov] RD-93, but some customers may want another engine. We have done preliminary studies on the [Eurojet] EJ200 and [Snecma] M88. They are doable.”
One area in which the JF-17 team is expanding options is that of ordnance. Currently, the aircraft is integrated with three Chinese weapons–the PL-5 and SD-10 air-to-air missiles and the C-802AK long-range anti-ship missile. Other ordnance used by the aircraft is produced in Pakistan by the Air Weapons Complex.
Recognizing that potential customers may wish to use older weapons in their inventories or those from other sources, a dedicated air force flight-test group has been established at Kamra to conduct weapons integration and other trials. The unit is currently involved in testing a GPS-guided kit of Pakistani origin that converts Mk 80-series bombs into precision weapons.
The air force has also implemented an integrated logistics support system for the JF-17, and full support is part of the export offering being made by Chengdu and PAC. The two companies are both marketing the JF-17 (also known as FC-1), either jointly or independently, focusing particularly on the low cost of acquisition compared with other fighters, as well as the low operating costs that accompany a new aircraft as opposed to the purchase of second-hand fighters. Regardless of which nation secures a sale, the work share for any export deal is similar.
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Thunder Remains Silent on Export Order
Jun 16, 2015
Paul Jackson | ShowNews
Pakistan’s JF-17 Thunder attack fighter is at the Paris Air Show to woo further export customers. Improved, Block II aircraft are now being delivered to the home air force.
With one signed export contract already secured, Pakistan’s JF-17 is cavorting in Parisian skies this week, intent on tempting additional sales, most particularly from Africa. Earlier appearances at Farnborough, Dubai and Zhuhai have played their part in publicizing the attack fighter’s capabilities. But, according to Air Commodore Khalid Mahmood, CEO of JF-17 Sales and Marketing, Paris is the place to meet Francophone potential customers.
The identity of the first export buyer remains a closely guarded secret and might not be divulged any time soon. Maintenance of the veil of discretion is assisted by the fact that media reports have identified countries (literally) between Argentina and Zimbabwe as being Thunder purchasers. “Hiding in plain sight,” indeed.
“We are talking intimately with a dozen possible customers,” says Mahmood, “and there are many more who are interested. Around the world, there are about 4,000 such aircraft that need replacing, particularly by budget-limited air forces. We expect to take a big share of the market, as the JF-17 costs only a third as much as some Western fighters.
“What we offer is cutting-edge technology at affordable cost,” he said.
Designed (as the FC-1) in Chengdu, China, to a Pakistani specification, the Thunder is built exclusively at Kamra, Pakistan. It is from this production line that export orders will come, with the Chinese supplying 42% of the aircraft’s components. This may vary slightly as customers are offered two basic avionics packages: one exclusively Chinese; the other combining local, Western and Chinese kit. Engines (RD-93s) come from Klimov in Russia.
The first customer has ordered “several batches” of Thunders, apparently including the long-awaited tandem-seat trainer version. The prototype is scheduled to fly in December 2016.
Meanwhile, the Pakistan air force (PAF) has equipped two squadrons and a tactics training unit with its first 50 Block I Thunders. Four improved, Block II aircraft have now been accepted by the PAF and the remaining 46 are following at the rate of three per two months. Inflight refueling probes will be installed on the second half of this batch.
Mahmood confirms that early work is being undertaken on a Block III configuration, probably to include enhancements to radar, avionics and weapons in conjunction with “chin” stations for sensor- or targeting pods. He was unable to confirm any connection between this program and the JF-17 weapons integration testbed (numbered 0213) which was built in China late last year.
Will export customers find, like some for U.S. aircraft, that certain high-tech equipment items are denied them? “The Americans are worried that, one day, they might find themselves fighting their own technology somewhere in the world,” explained Mahmood. “We don’t have that problem.”
Jun 16, 2015
Paul Jackson | ShowNews
Pakistan’s JF-17 Thunder attack fighter is at the Paris Air Show to woo further export customers. Improved, Block II aircraft are now being delivered to the home air force.
With one signed export contract already secured, Pakistan’s JF-17 is cavorting in Parisian skies this week, intent on tempting additional sales, most particularly from Africa. Earlier appearances at Farnborough, Dubai and Zhuhai have played their part in publicizing the attack fighter’s capabilities. But, according to Air Commodore Khalid Mahmood, CEO of JF-17 Sales and Marketing, Paris is the place to meet Francophone potential customers.
The identity of the first export buyer remains a closely guarded secret and might not be divulged any time soon. Maintenance of the veil of discretion is assisted by the fact that media reports have identified countries (literally) between Argentina and Zimbabwe as being Thunder purchasers. “Hiding in plain sight,” indeed.
“We are talking intimately with a dozen possible customers,” says Mahmood, “and there are many more who are interested. Around the world, there are about 4,000 such aircraft that need replacing, particularly by budget-limited air forces. We expect to take a big share of the market, as the JF-17 costs only a third as much as some Western fighters.
“What we offer is cutting-edge technology at affordable cost,” he said.
Designed (as the FC-1) in Chengdu, China, to a Pakistani specification, the Thunder is built exclusively at Kamra, Pakistan. It is from this production line that export orders will come, with the Chinese supplying 42% of the aircraft’s components. This may vary slightly as customers are offered two basic avionics packages: one exclusively Chinese; the other combining local, Western and Chinese kit. Engines (RD-93s) come from Klimov in Russia.
The first customer has ordered “several batches” of Thunders, apparently including the long-awaited tandem-seat trainer version. The prototype is scheduled to fly in December 2016.
Meanwhile, the Pakistan air force (PAF) has equipped two squadrons and a tactics training unit with its first 50 Block I Thunders. Four improved, Block II aircraft have now been accepted by the PAF and the remaining 46 are following at the rate of three per two months. Inflight refueling probes will be installed on the second half of this batch.
Mahmood confirms that early work is being undertaken on a Block III configuration, probably to include enhancements to radar, avionics and weapons in conjunction with “chin” stations for sensor- or targeting pods. He was unable to confirm any connection between this program and the JF-17 weapons integration testbed (numbered 0213) which was built in China late last year.
Will export customers find, like some for U.S. aircraft, that certain high-tech equipment items are denied them? “The Americans are worried that, one day, they might find themselves fighting their own technology somewhere in the world,” explained Mahmood. “We don’t have that problem.”
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Order for JF-17 Thunder
PARIS: Pakistan Secures First Export Order for JF-17 Thunder
Posted on 17 June, 2015
Pakistan Air Force JF-17 Thunder 13-146 from 16 Squadron ‘Black Panthers’ departing from Pakistan on June 7 for the Paris Air Show. Pakistan has now secured its first export order for the type, but is declining to identify the customer. PAF
PAKISTAN’S Chengdu/PAC JF-17 Thunder has secured its first export order. Speaking at the Paris Air Show on Monday, June 15, Air Commodore Khalid Mahmood, CEO of JF-17 Sales and Marketing, confirmed that a contract for the type had been signed with an unspecified Asian country.
He remained tight-lipped regarding the customer and also would give no idea of the number of aircraft involved. He did indicate, however, that deliveries will begin in 2017. It is believed that the order comprises ‘several’ batches, which will reportedly include some of the long-expected tandem two-seat version, which is still under development. It is slated to make its maiden flight around December 2016.
Three Pakistan Air Force (PAF) JF-17s are at Le Bourget this week for the Show, with two available for the daily flying displays, one being a spare (10-123 and 13-143 both from 26 Squadron ‘Black Spiders’), while the third (13-146 from 16 Squadron ‘Black Panthers’) is in the static park.
In addition to the aircraft, Pakistan has brought an 80-strong marketing team to promote the JF-17 and attempt to attract further sales. There has been interest from numerous countries in the aircraft, with Khalid stating that around a dozen countries are in serious talks about a possible purchase, while many others are showing interest.
Myanmar could be the un-named buyer, as the country has for some time been talking about a possible purchase and unsubstantiated media reports in March of this year suggested that a deal may have already been agreed at that time. Elsewhere, Argentina, Bangladesh, Egypt, Nigeria and Tajikistan have also previously been linked with possible sales, although with its recent Rafale deal, Egypt is now unlikely to proceed with a JF-17 buy. In early December last year, Pakistani officials said that Nigeria was close to an order for between 25 and 40 JF-17s, but nothing more has been heard of this proposal as yet.
Khalid said that the PAF has inducted 54 of the type to date, comprising 50 in Block I configuration and four Block II aircraft. The latter feature a fixed in-flight refuelling probe (although this has not been fitted on the initial aircraft), upgraded avionics and improved software. The Block I aircraft are being progressively upgraded to Block II.
A total of 50 Block IIs are being acquired, with the remaining 46 to be delivered at an average rate of three every couple of months. An additional 50 will then follow, all of these being in Block III configuration, bringing total purchases to 150. The last of the total of 150 are scheduled for delivery by the end of 2018. The final specifications for the Block III have yet to be finalised. AFD-Dave Allport
PARIS: Pakistan Secures First Export Order for JF-17 Thunder
Posted on 17 June, 2015
Pakistan Air Force JF-17 Thunder 13-146 from 16 Squadron ‘Black Panthers’ departing from Pakistan on June 7 for the Paris Air Show. Pakistan has now secured its first export order for the type, but is declining to identify the customer. PAF
PAKISTAN’S Chengdu/PAC JF-17 Thunder has secured its first export order. Speaking at the Paris Air Show on Monday, June 15, Air Commodore Khalid Mahmood, CEO of JF-17 Sales and Marketing, confirmed that a contract for the type had been signed with an unspecified Asian country.
He remained tight-lipped regarding the customer and also would give no idea of the number of aircraft involved. He did indicate, however, that deliveries will begin in 2017. It is believed that the order comprises ‘several’ batches, which will reportedly include some of the long-expected tandem two-seat version, which is still under development. It is slated to make its maiden flight around December 2016.
Three Pakistan Air Force (PAF) JF-17s are at Le Bourget this week for the Show, with two available for the daily flying displays, one being a spare (10-123 and 13-143 both from 26 Squadron ‘Black Spiders’), while the third (13-146 from 16 Squadron ‘Black Panthers’) is in the static park.
In addition to the aircraft, Pakistan has brought an 80-strong marketing team to promote the JF-17 and attempt to attract further sales. There has been interest from numerous countries in the aircraft, with Khalid stating that around a dozen countries are in serious talks about a possible purchase, while many others are showing interest.
Myanmar could be the un-named buyer, as the country has for some time been talking about a possible purchase and unsubstantiated media reports in March of this year suggested that a deal may have already been agreed at that time. Elsewhere, Argentina, Bangladesh, Egypt, Nigeria and Tajikistan have also previously been linked with possible sales, although with its recent Rafale deal, Egypt is now unlikely to proceed with a JF-17 buy. In early December last year, Pakistani officials said that Nigeria was close to an order for between 25 and 40 JF-17s, but nothing more has been heard of this proposal as yet.
Khalid said that the PAF has inducted 54 of the type to date, comprising 50 in Block I configuration and four Block II aircraft. The latter feature a fixed in-flight refuelling probe (although this has not been fitted on the initial aircraft), upgraded avionics and improved software. The Block I aircraft are being progressively upgraded to Block II.
A total of 50 Block IIs are being acquired, with the remaining 46 to be delivered at an average rate of three every couple of months. An additional 50 will then follow, all of these being in Block III configuration, bringing total purchases to 150. The last of the total of 150 are scheduled for delivery by the end of 2018. The final specifications for the Block III have yet to be finalised. AFD-Dave Allport
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