Pakistan Air Force | News & Discussions.

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Speaking to crew of No 8 Sq Haiders at Masroor AFB

Mirages ??

 

[fatman17]

Mirages ??

Affirmative

 

[fatman17]

The airforce budget is USD 1.8B. It has to manage itself within this figure. This doesn't include capital investment.

 

[Quwa]

18 C/D's are far superior.

Not if and when the sanctions hit. The U.S isn't a friend, nor is it a dependable country to have a relationship with in any sense of the word. This is a power that spies on its own allies (e.g. Germany)!. The moment American and Pakistani interests diverge (and that can happen very easily should Pakistanis ever gain true self-determination), the F-16s won't amount to much for very long. That said, the PAF shouldn't concern itself too much with the FC-20, it needs to start committing funds towards the J-31 and, if possible, a light single engine next-gen supplement.

 

[aftab_s81]

That said, the PAF shouldn't concern itself too much with the FC-20, it needs to start committing funds towards the J-31 and, if possible, a light single engine next-gen supplement.

Agree with the first part that instead of FC-20, FC-31 should be preferred.

For single engine, I think JF-17 should be modernized, yes it will take considerable effort but much of the technology used in JFT could be re-used.

 

[salman-1]

Not inducting FC-20 is a big mistake, as it would have proved to be a supplement in case of any conflict. More the Aesa radar in it would have given PAF an edge over its adversary.
Imagine PAF with another embargo, shortage of spares would kill PAF F-16 fleet for taking edge on IAF. Just a short fleet of FC-20 of 36 planes would enable our trained Pilots to have spare planes from china in case of any conflict. Even USA would not be able to pull our strings too much as it does occasionally. FC-20 would give many more advantages like Russian latest engine AL-31F and its technical know how. FC-20 or J-10B/C have been ranked equivalent or better in some extent to F-18/E by US state department, as its fully Fly by wire, AESA Radar , enable to carry all sorts of WMD and BVR's made in China and further development of newer weapons.
FC-31 no doubt would bring newer tech with it, but its a test tube baby at this moment. On Paper it looks good but still in the womb of Chinese industry waiting to mature to come to this world.

 

[fatman17]

What will be basis of future sanctions?
We are now accepted as a nuclear power
The clandestine nuclear network is closed probably forever.
We're going after the haqqanis.
We are not overtly supporting jihadists in Kashmir. That proxy war was stopped by Musharraf in 2001.
China as a NSG member is helping us set up civilian nuclear power plants.
Pakistan is cooperating with the US on the Afghan end game?
The only issue left is Dr Afridi’s release.
The level of military support from the US will certainly come down but as long as we buy US origin material with our own sovereign funds they will sell to us.

 

[SipahSalar]

FC-20 is not for export. How many times do i have to say this? Chinese will only export FC-20 if US starts exporting F-22.

 

[salman-1]

Sanctions doesn't need an excuse for USA. They can be implemented for for just a small conflict with India, even if India starts a war USA will stop any kind of material to be used in that war. A lame excuse of not fueling the war. What were the basis in 1971 or 1965 war's.? The war triggers the black market mafia which USA would prefer to sell as they did during Preseller amendment. Can't trust a proven un trust worthy friend. No lesson learned from the Dark Days. But still why we go for it, its because they got the best product for us in the market.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Not inducting FC-20 is a big mistake, as it would have proved to be a supplement in case of any conflict. More the Aesa radar in it would have given PAF an edge over its adversary.
Imagine PAF with another embargo, shortage of spares would kill PAF F-16 fleet for taking edge on IAF. Just a short fleet of FC-20 of 36 planes would enable our trained Pilots to have spare planes from china in case of any conflict. Even USA would not be able to pull our strings too much as it does occasionally. FC-20 would give many more advantages like Russian latest engine AL-31F and its technical know how. FC-20 or J-10B/C have been ranked equivalent or better in some extent to F-18/E by US state department, as its fully Fly by wire, AESA Radar , enable to carry all sorts of WMD and BVR's made in China and further development of newer weapons.
FC-31 no doubt would bring newer tech with it, but its a test tube baby at this moment. On Paper it looks good but still in the womb of Chinese industry waiting to mature to come to this world.

What happened in the past can not be salvaged. As already quoted by many PDF seniors and debated repeatedly PAF missed opportunities to induct M2k's and then FC-20/ J-10's.

PAF might have considered the possibility of sanctions on F-16's so would have purchased and build enough stores or could have signed agreements with others who operate these to supply them during the time when USA is not going to ship these directly. One has to realize USA is supplying all sorts of equipment and spares to Iran for those products bought before the revolution. The restriction is on future sales and deliveries but not on those that have already been delivered.

Today the issue that arises is are these FC-20/J-10's still going to last an other 20 years or not?

 

[salman-1]

Miss this Bird in PAF. Look what's the difference in technology for Pulse doppler and AESA Radar.

 

[fatman17]

What happened in the past can not be salvaged. As already quoted by many PDF seniors and debated repeatedly PAF missed opportunities to induct M2k's and then FC-20/ J-10's.

PAF might have considered the possibility of sanctions on F-16's so would have purchased and build enough stores or could have signed agreements with others who operate these to supply them during the time when USA is not going to ship these directly. One has to realize USA is supplying all sorts of equipment and spares to Iran for those products bought before the revolution. The restriction is on future sales and deliveries but not on those that have already been delivered.

Today the issue that arises is are these FC-20/J-10's still going to last an other 20 years or not?

The J10s are already 18 years old. If there is a transformational change in the aircraft then it's worth revisiting. The F16 platform has evolved from block 5 to block 60 and there is a vast difference in the block capabilities.

 

[MastanKhan]

FC-20 is not for export. How many times do i have to say this? Chinese will only export FC-20 if US starts exporting F-22.

Hi,

FC 20 is the export version of J10 for Pakistan.

 

[Donatello]

Speaking to crew of No 8 Sq Haiders at Masroor AFB

Are these the ones expected to get the next JF-17 squadron?

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

The J10s are already 18 years old. If there is a transformational change in the aircraft then it's worth revisiting. The F16 platform has evolved from block 5 to block 60 and there is a vast difference in the block capabilities.

I don't think so...transformation would require it be made into a new aircraft...China is never going to do this...Transformations are only possible in Western Culture because they like to keep their history....

It would be a positive development if PAF decides to get a 5th gen fighter. The only option of India to sabotage this plan if 5th gen fighter is being considered is to force Pakistan into thinking a war is imminent. Making them to choose an aircraft which is readily available and force PAF to delay the procurement of 5th Gen.

On a side note do have an idea of how many J-20 are already made so far?