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Pakistan is planning on inducting the JF-17 Block II into its air force next year, with work reportedly having started already.

The jointly-developed Chinese/Pakistani JF-17 recently bagged its first export customer, with Myanmar previously expressing interest in the fighter.

 

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Pakistan is planning on inducting the JF-17 Block II into its air force next year, with work reportedly having started already.

The jointly-developed Chinese/Pakistani JF-17 recently bagged its first export customer, with Myanmar previously expressing interest in the fighter.

Who is the customer?

 

[fatman17]

Who is the customer?

Speculation is that it's Myanmar

 

[hammad azhar]

I think pakistan is going to buy engines from america for block 3 JF-17 which r mire powerfull ...i was reading day before on google

 

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Pakistan is planning on inducting the JF-17 Block II into its air force next year, with work reportedly having started already.

The jointly-developed Chinese/Pakistani JF-17 recently bagged its first export customer, with Myanmar previously expressing interest in the fighter.

I thought 4 were already built.

 

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Air Force: Pakistan, Turkey sign MoU for training pilots

Published: June 18, 2015

Chief of the Air Staff, Pakistan Air Force (PAF), Air Chief Marshal Sohail Aman has signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with Turkish Air Force at the opening ceremony of Multinational Military Flight Crew Training (MMFCT) Centre on Wednesday.

Both the air forces have agreed to exchange two pilots for training every year. This would enhance the bilateral relations at a grass root level.

According to PAF, the main purpose of Multinational Military Flight Crew Training Centre (MMFCT-C) is to provide comprehensive training solutions to Fighter Pilots of Allies and to develop flight training tactics and techniques in line with Nato operational requirements.

It would also hone the interoperability amongst allies and partners for future operations and exercises.

The air chief also visited the Headquarters of Turkish Air Force

 

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TRAINING & SIMULATION

Pakistan And Turkey Sign Training Agreement

AAMIR QURESHI,

Pakistani fighters F-16 fly on Nov. 4, 2013.

ISLAMABAD — Pakistan and Turkey on Wednesday signed an air force pilot training exchange agreement to help further improve bilateral relations, during the opening ceremony of the Multinational Military Flight Crew Training Centre (MMFCT-C) in Izmir, Turkey.


The agreement was signed by the head of Pakistan's air force, Air Chief Marshal Sohail Aman.

According to a Pakistan Air Force (PAF) press release under the terms of the agreement both air forces will exchange two pilots every year.

"The main purpose of [MMFCT-C] is to provide comprehensive training solutions to Fighter Pilots of Allies and to develop flight training tactics and techniques in line with NATO's operational requirements. It would also hone the interoperability amongst Allies and partners for future operations and exercises. It is pertinent to mention that two fighter pilots from PAF are already performing instructional duties at MMFCT."

Analyst and former PAF pilot Kaiser Tufail, who has maintained a close association with the Turkish Air Force (TuAF) since his retirement, said efforts to date have been stifled by differences in teaching methods.

"So far the stumbling block has been that TuAF cadets undergo a 4-year training program which involves only studies for a bachelor's degree in one of four engineering disciplines (Aeronautical, Electrical, Industrial, and Computer). There is no flying training at the academy (except 10-odd orientation flights spread over four years). Flying training starts at Izmir after graduation from the Academy."

"In the PAF, on the other hand, flying cadets undergo a combined flying and studies training course, culminating in a bachelor's degree along with award of flying wings."

He understands these have now been reconciled.

"I am told that this issue has been resolved and TuAF's newly-graduated officers would join PAF Academy as Under Training Officers (UTOs) and undergo flying training for about 18 months. On the other hand, PAF's UTOs (already well-versed in aero-science studies) would join the flying training facility at Izmir for an 18-month flying training course," he said.

"In addition to all of the above, there is a likelihood of a few cadets of TuAF and PAF undertaking short internship programs on an exchange basis at the respective academies; this program has not yet been finalized."

Though analyst, author and former Australian defense attache to Islamabad, Brian Cloughley, points out that the present agreement is only for two pilots, and that the "PAF is world-class in its pilot training," it's therefore currently "largely a symbolic arrangement, bringing the countries closer in overall cooperation." The agreement does lay the groundwork for further co-operation.

"I'm sure that there will be more cooperation in many fields. As I said, this is a small move, but part of the big picture," he said.

The PAF has garnered much experience using precision guided munitions during counter insurgency operations against the Pakistani Taliban and its allies since 2007, but as to whether some of this experience may be of use to the TuAF that has faced similar operations against the Kurdish PKK, and as to what may be expected in the future however, Cloughley is uncertain.

"I can't think of any other specialized training that would be especially beneficial to either. But almost all exchanges of skilled personnel are beneficial to both sides. Much can't be quantified, but there is no doubt that there is always mutual benefit", he said.

He does point out, however, that there may still be potential to explore co-operation at more advanced stages of flight training.

"One of the best courses of instruction in world air forces is the RAF's Fast Jet Advanced Training Course, and both Turkey and Pakistan have similar programs which are recognized as being world-class," he said. "They could both benefit from exchanges, as no doubt there are refinements that could be included in each other's training."

In the meantime the PAF and TuAF have been building on established joint training endeavors.

During Air Chief Marshal Aman's stay in Turkey, he met with the head of the TuAF, General Akın Özturk, to discuss professional matters of interest, but was also heading the PAF contingent participating in 'Anatolian Eagle,' the multinational air force exercise hosted by Turkey of which Pakistan is regular attendee.

This is the PAF's ninth attendance since 2004, and the PAF contingent consisted of 86 personnel and six F-16 fighter aircraft. Air Chief Marshal Aman flew in one of the F-16s alongside the other participating pilots.

The accompanying PAF press release said, "Participation in a multi-national air exercise in Turkey shall be an interesting as well as challenging task for Falcons of the PAF. Besides Pakistan, leading air forces from United States, United Kingdom, Germany, Spain, Qatar, NATO and Turkey with their latest aircraft and platforms are orchestrating air battle scenarios in demanding operational environments."

 

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Mushshak at Romania air show

 

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Speculation is that it's Myanmar

So pak will sell to a country which is killing Muslims since 2 decades. Also pn n pa has also provided training to them which is now used to kill Muslims.

 

[mingle]

So pak will sell to a country which is killing Muslims since 2 decades. Also pn n pa has also provided training to them which is now used to kill Muslims.

Dont u think we can help burma muslims better if we have good military relation with them they will listen us definately plus burma share border with a country called Bangladesh ,how about indonesia malasyia ?they can better influnce burma but if pak want levrage then we must sell them arms .

 

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Dont u think we can help burma muslims better if we have good military relation with them they will listen us definately plus burma share border with a country called Bangladesh ,how about indonesia malasyia ?they can better influnce burma but if pak want levrage then we must sell them arms .

hahahahaha we are selling since 1 decade or so. But still no words to stop killing muslims.

 

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FC-1/JF-17 Thunder Dragon/Thunder

First revealed in 1995 as the successor of the cancelled Sino-US Super-7 project, FC-1(Fighter China-1, max TO weight 12,700kg, max speed M 1.8, service ceiling 16,920m, max weapon load 3,900kg, ferry range 3,480km, combat radius 1,352km, max g load +8.5) is being developed by CAC/611 Institute (with some technical assistance from Russian Mikoyan OKB) as a "medium tech", light weight fighter/ground attack aircraft carrying a relatively cheap price tag (~$20m).

As a fighter designed for export, its main customer is expected to be Pakistan who also shares 50% of the total cost (around $150m). It may also compete with second-hand F-16s to seize the market created by the retirement of Mig-21s, Mirage III and F-5s. Currently powered by a RussianRD-93 turbofan (upgraded RD-33, rated 8,795kg with a/b), it may also be powered by a locally produced WS-13 Taishan once the engine is ready. The A-6 style "V" shaped air-intakes are believed to provide smooth air flow to the engine at high AoA. The fire control radar is thought to be a Chinese KLJ-7V2 X-band multi-functional PD radar (track 10 and engage 2 simultaneously, look-up range 110km for RCS=3m2). A Chinese AESA radar might be installed in later batches. Other electronics include an NVG compatible glass cockpit (EFIS) with three 8"x6" color MFDs, HOTAS, AIFF, 1553B databus and INS/GPS. Weapon load includes both short (PL-5EII/PL-9C/AIM-9M) and medium-range AAMs (SD-10A). LGBs (LT-2/LT-3/GBU-16), GPS/INS guided bombs (LS-6), ASMs (C705KD), anti-radiation missiles (Brazilian MAR-1 or Chinese LD-10/CM102) and IRST/laser designation pod (WMD-7) can also be carried for ground attack missions. Up to 2 C-802AK AShMs can be carried for anti-ship missions. For high value fixed targets, up to 2 CM-400AKG standoff supersonic ASMs can be carried. For self-protection purpose a KG300G or KG600 ECM pod can be carried. The development schedule of FC-1 was repeatedly delayed caused by various problems, such as lack of funding, the reluctance of western countries to supply advanced avionics, as well as the revised specifications set by PAF to counter the threat from India's LCAs. These specifications included a true BVR attack capability with active radar guided medium-range AAMs (SD-10A). However,FC-1's prospect in the domestic market had diminished, as PLAAF had committed to the more advanced J-10 as its new generation fighter along with J-11 and was reluctant to acquire any FC-1s due to its less advanced design and a Russian engine. After lengthy negotiations, Pakistani government finally signed the contract with CATIC and CAC/611 in 1999 and gave the "go ahead" order to the much delayed project. The development was further accelerated after PAF recommitted the project and confirmed FC-1's technical specifications in detail in February 2001. A full-scale mock-up was quickly constructed. A total of 6 prototypes (01-06) were built at CAC. The 01 prototype rolled down the assembly line on May 31, 2003 with two small wing fences. Its maiden flight took place on August 25, 2003. The 03 prototype first flew on April 9, 2004 without the two small wing fences. The 04 prototype was expected to fly by the end of 2005 with full suite of avionics but this was delayed until April 2006 due to several structural modifications. They include new diverterless supersonic inlets (DSI/Bump) similar to those of American F-35 to reduce weight and achieve better performance. A large rectangular-shaped fairing is installed on top of the vertical tailfin which may house ECM equipment. Its flight control includes a Type 634 quadruplex digital FBW in pitch axis and a duplex analog FBW in roll axis. A UV band MAWS has been installed at the root of the vertical tailfin to provide rear hemisphere coverage. Two enlarged F/A-18 style LERX are thought to offer higher AOA as well. The first flight of 04 prototype took place on April 28, 2006, and 06 prototype on September 10, 2006. The first two pre-production JF-17s (PAF designation Joint Fighter-17 Block I, 00 batch/07-101 & 102) were delivered to Pakistan on March 2, 2007, with the nose-tip pitot tube removed. The 01 batch of 6 JF-17s (08-103 -- 08-108) were delivered between March and April 2008. The contract for PAF to acquire another 42 JF-17s assembled by PAC was singed on March 7, 2009. The first two (09-109 & 110) were built by CAC. The first JF-17 (09-111) in the batch of 4 assembled by PAC rolled out on November 23, 2009. The production of the 50 Block I concluded by the end of 2013 with another 50 Block II to follow in 2014. Besides Pakistan, several Asian, African and South America countries also expressed interest inFC-1/JF-17, including Egypt, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Azerbaijan, Myanmar and Argentina. FC-1 passed design appraisal in December 2009. The first taxiing test of FC-1powered by an indigenous WS-13 took place on March 18, 2010. Currently the flight test of the engine is still underway. A further upgraded variant (JF-17 Block II/JF-17A?) featuring a detachable IFR probe, improved avionics (including secure datalink withZDK-03) and enhanced precision-guided weapon capability has been under development as well, which be supported by the PAF Il-78MP tanker. The Block II variantis expected to be followed by the Block III, which might feature a more powerful engine (WS-13?), a new AESA radar, IRST, HMD and additional types of weapons. A tandem-seat trainer version (JF-17B) was first unveiled at the 2013 Paris Airshow by CATIC, which has the electronic compartment removed from top of the vertical tailfin. The assembling of the first three JF-17 Block IIs (S/N 15-20x) started at PAC in mid-2014. First flight of 15-201 took place on February 9, 2015. It is expected that all the Block I JF-17s will be upgraded to the Block II standard. In January 2015 one FC-1prototype ([HASHTAG]#0213[/HASHTAG]) was seen testing a new environmental control system for the high temperature/high humidity environment, presumably at the request of potential customers from Africa, South Asia or South America. It was reported in April 2015 that Argentine Air Force has been negotiating to order a number of JF-17 Block IIs but no further information is available. Recent news (June 2015) suggested that the FC-1#05 prototype is being converted to the JF-17B trainer configuration. The latest news (June 2015) claimed that FC-1 just secured its first export contract from an unknown Asian customer (Sri Lanka or Myanmar?). The contract could involve an initial batch of 12-14 aircraft and the delivery might start in 2016.

- Last Updated 6/21/15

 

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Kudos to PAF

 

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