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[Windjammer]

whats your take on it sir, as the mission were performed on war footing, since PAF was expecting visitors, did they turned up?

The warning was clearly conveyed by our foreign office, apart from PAF being put on full alert, reportedly ballistic missiles were also deployed with detonators in place. Apart from an attempted hijacking of a PIA airliner, no other incident materialised.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

My dear, that was actually disclosed by me elsewhere which has been copy pasted here.

is he retired?

 

[Windjammer]

is he retired?

No, last i heard was that he may take in charge of Shahbaz air base.

Isn't this @Windjammer himself

Yaar, don't blow my cover. I have switched from JP-4 to Diesel.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

No, last i heard was that he may take in charge of Shahbaz air base.



Yaar, don't blow my cover. I have switched from JP-4 to Diesel.

is there a chance of him to be promoted to AVMs or commodore rants?

 

[IrbiS]

No, last i heard was that he may take in charge of Shahbaz air base.



Yaar, don't blow my cover. I have switched from JP-4 to Diesel.

Just don't turn into Maulana Diesel

Delete the post you quoted me and it's gone

 

[Indus Falcon]

The man who escorted C-130
28 May Youm-E-Takbeer.

Wing Commander Haseeb Paracha, The man who escorted C-130s from Israeli threats when Pakistan was deploying its Nuclear devices in Chaghi and subsequently flew the missions to deter any interference from across the border.
He was also the man behind Highmark 2005, one of the main goal was to fly 8000 sorties within two week period utilising all infrastructure including the Motorways.

and he was ordered to shot down the C-130 in any unusual situation....and there was no radio contact of Pilots with ground[/QUOTE]

@Windjammer As per this article, PAF had already perfected using the Motorways as improvised runways in '98. Meaning that ever since the Motorway was opened in '97, PAF had been doing it .

 

[CHI RULES]

SubhanAllah! They have been upgraded just now with a PD Radar that will make the enemies shit their pants and you want them to upgrade to an AESA. The upgrade cost may well exceed million per pop x76 and may well and set the whole programme back by at least 3-5 yrs. So instead of having one established platform we will have none. There is no established example of block 15 with AESA which means Lockmart will charge you for the research and laugh all the way back to the bank . I can see a lot of the indianTop brass giving you a salute as well for this suggestion.
And by the by How do you propose we pay for this upgrade to AESA.
Little brother we need To keep our expectations realistic. F16s with AWACS will rock inspite of not having an AESA . We dont need fo fix that which is not broken. Believe me in the priority list PAF can do wonders wit the money that you are proposing to spend on AESA upgrade of F16s. I am sorry for the sarcasm above but it is to deter any such thoughts in future from another little brother.
Regards

dear sir , I am not a tech guy like u but believe me that even Ist block 60 of UAE when produced first time was idea of someone which was realised. Atleast Pak Block50 F16s should be upgraded with AESA (as we have only 18). Further u are convinced or not if we take cost factor then we should not go Submarines dealand stop dreaming for 5th Gen fighters as even FC31 will cost atleast 60 to 70Million USD. Further even 4-4.5 gen fighters of India shall be upgraded with AESA radars. Like Taliban in Afghanistan we can;t do wonders with shear bravery. Our martyred soldiers on Angoor Ada were brave but don't had Air defense weapons so they were bombed by Americans. We should remember that if we can spend millions on Metro projects then we should also have money to upgarde our areial assets. Please enlighten me how our AWACS shall be effective in Indian territory even they shall be vulnerable to long range AAMS of India.

Just closing ur eyes and denying hard facts can't help us . Please enlighten me what sort of Jamming Pods/EW suits our Mirages and PGs have.
Further we may go for relatively cheaper radars like in the past we did in JV with Italian Grifo series Radars.
Dear Sir may be we have budget constraints but if any unfortunate event happens say in next two to three years before limited availability of 5th Gen fighter like J31 to Pak then what we will do.

SubhanAllah! They have been upgraded just now with a PD Radar that will make the enemies shit their pants and you want them to upgrade to an AESA. The upgrade cost may well exceed million per pop x76 and may well and set the whole programme back by at least 3-5 yrs. So instead of having one established platform we will have none. There is no established example of block 15 with AESA which means Lockmart will charge you for the research and laugh all the way back to the bank . I can see a lot of the indianTop brass giving you a salute as well for this suggestion.
And by the by How do you propose we pay for this upgrade to AESA.
Little brother we need To keep our expectations realistic. F16s with AWACS will rock inspite of not having an AESA . We dont need fo fix that which is not broken. Believe me in the priority list PAF can do wonders wit the money that you are proposing to spend on AESA upgrade of F16s. I am sorry for the sarcasm above but it is to deter any such thoughts in future from another little brother.
Regards

dear sir , I am not a tech guy like u but believe me that even Ist block 60 of UAE when produced first time was idea of someone which was realised. Atleast Pak Block50 F16s should be upgraded with AESA (as we have only 18). Further u are convinced or not if we take cost factor then we should not go Submarines dealand stop dreaming for 5th Gen fighters as even FC31 will cost atleast 60 to 70Million USD. Further even 4-4.5 gen fighters of India shall be upgraded with AESA radars. Like Taliban in Afghanistan we can;t do wonders with shear bravery. Our martyred soldiers on Angoor Ada were brave but don't had Air defense weapons so they were bombed by Americans. We should remember that if we can spend millions on Metro projects then we should also have money to upgarde our areial assets. Please enlighten me how our AWACS shall be effective in Indian territory even they shall be vulnerable to long range AAMS of India.

Just closing ur eyes and denying hard facts can't help us . Please enlighten me what sort of Jamming Pods/EW suits our Mirages and PGs have.
Further we may go for relatively cheaper radars like in the past we did in JV with Italian Grifo series Radars.
Dear Sir may be we have budget constraints but if any unfortunate event happens say in next two to three years before limited availability of 5th Gen fighter like J31 to Pak then what we will do.
Look at Indian areail assets then reply please how unrealistic I am further I shall say that Pak should immediately acquire High altitude SAMs along with Passive Radars with Stealth detection capabilities.

 

[fatman17]

JFT AD role

 

[araz]

dear sir , I am not a tech guy like u but believe me that even Ist block 60 of UAE when produced first time was idea of someone which was realised. Atleast Pak Block50 F16s should be upgraded with AESA (as we have only 18). Further u are convinced or not if we take cost factor then we should not go Submarines dealand stop dreaming for 5th Gen fighters as even FC31 will cost atleast 60 to 70Million USD. Further even 4-4.5 gen fighters of India shall be upgraded with AESA radars. Like Taliban in Afghanistan we can;t do wonders with shear bravery. Our martyred soldiers on Angoor Ada were brave but don't had Air defense weapons so they were bombed by Americans. We should remember that if we can spend millions on Metro projects then we should also have money to upgarde our areial assets. Please enlighten me how our AWACS shall be effective in Indian territory even they shall be vulnerable to long range AAMS of India.

Just closing ur eyes and denying hard facts can't help us . Please enlighten me what sort of Jamming Pods/EW suits our Mirages and PGs have.
Further we may go for relatively cheaper radars like in the past we did in JV with Italian Grifo series Radars.
Dear Sir may be we have budget constraints but if any unfortunate event happens say in next two to three years before limited availability of 5th Gen fighter like J31 to Pak then what we will do.



dear sir , I am not a tech guy like u but believe me that even Ist block 60 of UAE when produced first time was idea of someone which was realised. Atleast Pak Block50 F16s should be upgraded with AESA (as we have only 18). Further u are convinced or not if we take cost factor then we should not go Submarines dealand stop dreaming for 5th Gen fighters as even FC31 will cost atleast 60 to 70Million USD. Further even 4-4.5 gen fighters of India shall be upgraded with AESA radars. Like Taliban in Afghanistan we can;t do wonders with shear bravery. Our martyred soldiers on Angoor Ada were brave but don't had Air defense weapons so they were bombed by Americans. We should remember that if we can spend millions on Metro projects then we should also have money to upgarde our areial assets. Please enlighten me how our AWACS shall be effective in Indian territory even they shall be vulnerable to long range AAMS of India.

Just closing ur eyes and denying hard facts can't help us . Please enlighten me what sort of Jamming Pods/EW suits our Mirages and PGs have.
Further we may go for relatively cheaper radars like in the past we did in JV with Italian Grifo series Radars.
Dear Sir may be we have budget constraints but if any unfortunate event happens say in next two to three years before limited availability of 5th Gen fighter like J31 to Pak then what we will do.
Look at Indian areail assets then reply please how unrealistic I am further I shall say that Pak should immediately acquire High altitude SAMs along with Passive Radars with Stealth detection capabilities.

In short my friend PAF is happy with the performance of APG ?68V9 which is one of the best radars in the region. There is no money in the kitty for AESA radar as I explained. As a matter of fact PAF will consider AESA upgrade at the time of MLU if US allows it to do so. JFT is our own product and we have much more lee way with what we do with it. It seems a much more prudent and cost effective decision to upgrade our JFTs to AESA for the fact that research into it will not cost us an arm and a leg. J31/similar 5th gen. Plane will be inducted irrespective of its price due to the capabilities that it brings to the fore. These would be required to keep abreast with our enemies and their acquisition plans. Also consider that in 5 yrs time there might be more choices around for AESA from different vendors for our F16s and if the cost is right why not but for now we have to concentrate on replacing our obsolete fleet of aircrafts which is a huge task.
This is the problem facing PAF at the moment. We are no oil rich sheikhdom we are a poor country with a lot of needs which need to be fulfilled as well.
Lastly you need to understand the complexities of end user agreements and thexdisadvantage it places on the. Buyers if they want to change the equipment. There are immense restrictions and you cant just make changes willy nilly. All changes need thorough teztkng and this is cost prohibitive. There is a reason why PAF wants to wait till 2018-19 and for block 3 to introduce these changes. PAF people are not sitting idle but there are whole teams looking at all the advancements that are coming to the fore and looking at how to induct them. These changes need time and money both of which we are short on.
Araz
PS - Just to give you an idea the AESA integration on bl.60 cost the sheikhs of UAE 8 billion $. They do hold the rights to production but guess who gained the most from this research! !!!!''

 

[hassan1]

 

[HRK]

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any detail of the pic .....??

 

[mingle]

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any detail of the pic .....??

pic is new inductions of fighter planes u can see in back ground r Hawakers Furey and PM is there for induction and he is Liaqat Ali khan shaheed in car

 

[hassan1]

 

[hassan1]

 

[nomi007]

Today In History - June 5, 1967

Flight Lieutenant Saiful Azam, PAF, destroys an Israeli Mystere in Jordan. The encounter took place over the Jordanian Air Base at Mafraq. The burning Mystere shown in the painting, fell just across the barbed wire fencing around the base. Another Mystere which was damaged by Azam in the same air combat was able to make it back into the Israeli territory.