PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[TheSolution]

Hi,
Im sure this takes a lot of time, but I for one would love to see Pathankot 2.0. We all know how the '65 raid went, but what would PAF need to achieve the same in 2023?

Im guessing, a flight of Jfs with ARMs, a couple of flights with Takbirs, another with non-standoff PGMs once over target. And ofcourse a hell lot of F-16s in full AA-loadout and every Blk-III available at that point with dual-racked Pl-15s. Not to mention Blinders, Saabs, tankers doing their thing. But will PAF have to open with Ra'ad carrying Mirages? So many variables, only a simulation can give us some appreciation.

P.S. Obviously in a new thread if you get around to do it.

I just searched up the Pathankot aerial warfare in 1965, didn't know much about it, and damn, the Indians got absolutely destroyed

I took a look at the neutral claims on Wikipedia and it seems the Indians are lying about their casualties again, Pakistan's claimed casualties actually add up with the neutral claims.

PAF really does dominate in the skies

Has information ever been released about our training exercises with the Chinese? I wonder how well the pilots fly against each other

 

[araz]

I an not at angry my brother. But facts are facts. No proof not point talking

My brother.
Let us wait and see how this transpires. If the rumours are to be believed the J10s should be landing soon . Let us wait and see. All members have taken the news on as a rumour and discussed it as such. What the truth is will be revealed in due course.
In the early days of the JFT an Ex AF friend of mine told me the avionics on the JFT were Italian. As it turned out the JFT turned out with Chinese avionics. People often get snippets which may have been true at the time but may have changed due to changing scenarios/products/conditions( incidentally I never to this date have mentioned this) We can listen but reserve judgement on them. On an internet forum people express opinions,some wrong, some right. Take an opinion for what it is --------an opinion.
Kind regards
A

 

[Dreamer.]

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From the Interior Minister Shaikh Rasheed's exact words, where does it say Pakistan has acquired the J-10s?

Rafale kay muqablay meh Pakistan Air Force jo hai, flying past karnay lagi hai JS-10 Cheen kay jahaaz say.

Translation: To counter the Rafale, Pakistan Air Force which is, will be conducting a flypast with the Chinese aircraft.​

Yeh Rafale kay torr meh hum nay, JS-10 jo hai, wo aik poora 25 ka squadron flying past karay ga.

Translation: On par with this Rafale we have, the J-10 which is, they will perform a fly past of a full squadron of 25.​

From the above translations, how do Interior Minister's gibberish comments confirm Pakistan has purchased the J-10s?

Well Bro if you want to nit pick , then he did say that PAF will do the flypast with JS-10 chinese aircraft . So do you think PAF will be doing flypast with PLAAF aircraft? Is that what you think he meant?

So PAF will get pilots trained to fly 'JS-10' just to do a fly past in a parade? And PLAAF will gladly loan their aircraft for someone else to do a flypast with?

 

[Shotgunner51]

Yes, once all PLAAF planes were as long as brooms.

But the speed of J10A can reach 2M, the J10C shortened the fuselage, resulting in a speed drop to 1.8M, and significantly increased mobility at subsonic speeds and high angles of attack. This indicates that the requirements of PLAAF have changed.

Long as brooms, very accurate description! Like I've said in post #1297, J-10A was born a high-speed AA jet while later J-10C becomes more "fine tuned" for multi-role. They might have done aerodynamic modifications to trade top speed for maneuverability (at low-speed low-altitude) as well as payload/MTOW.

 

[araz]

Chinese side have said since last year that not only is there an order, but that PAF requested for it to be delivered very urgently. Again, my point about delivery timeframe is a great factor for J-10C. That's the difference between getting a mature aircraft vs getting one that has still a lot of work to do. PAF is essentially going from signing the contract to taking delivery of 25 in a year.

For most aircraft producers out there, you need a much greater lead-time. So, I would not be surprised if PLAAF deferred some of its own orders so that PAF can get them first.

Depending on PAF's experience with J-10 over time, they may request for another order in the future with greater lead time and more PAF specific requirements. Certain design decision made for J-10 is based on PLAAF requirements in the 80s. So, it's been mostly an air superiority aircraft over its life time. In its current role with PLAAF, it really doesn't have the role of multi-role aircraft either. So maybe PAF will find over time that it wants certain changes with J-10C like a two seat version that's better suited for multi-role purposes. Regardless of how much you do with JF-17, it has certain size limitations that cannot be overcome. So if PAF does enjoy its first batch of J-10Cs, I think the next order will probably have some changes that make use of its greater size and thrust over JF-17 and F-16s.

Hey TP.
Welcome on the board. I remember you from Sonodefence forum. Great to have you here.
A

 

[Enigma SIG]

China is NO US! Whatever China gives, it takes back with interest (compound); there is a reason it is being equated to the current era's East India Company. What they did to Sri Lanka with the Port is just a prime example.

IMF is interest free? WB is interest free? ADB is interest free? Just wait till you default on those obligations.

Where do Pakistani's get their education I swear. Gotta raze those schools to the ground.

 

[Deino]

As per news break by @messiach that PAF J10 will have Al31 engine with ToT

This is a big news, means PAF trust on Chinese engine is not yet achieved..

Secondly if AL31 is coming with ToT them RD93 will be also part of package as well.

Third point then there is higher chances that AZM or NGFA 5th gen will have Russian engine possibly AL 41

PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

But that‘s for the WS-10C, the updated version used by the J-20A. In contrast to the C-model, the J-10C uses the less powerful standard WS-10B, which is supposed to deliver a thrust of 132kn. No worries bro it is hard to find anything. Yes bro always hard to find official sources in China...

defence.pk

I would take this with a HUGE grain of salt ... her claims, the Block 3 would have dramatic changes to the rear fuselage, would feature a wing with wider span and different aspect ration and anyone could see it without giving any proof led me to question her credibility after she returned. In fact i would love to be corrected and even more to learn more, but like some other members who often enough pop up with quite unrealistic and unbelievable claims, she also refuses to explain. That's fine if she likes so but IMO not helpful to find the truth.

 

[TNT]

So we didn't get ToT for rd93 that we will use in the hundreds but will get ToT for AL 31 that we may use less than a hundred? This forum has degraded to dumb rumor level stuff, dumb and illogical things being discussed again and again and some even fight over it.
People throw around the term ToT as if its a manual that magically gives u ability to make stuff, have anyone ever seen engine ToT between nations before?? Turks license build engines since long but still cant make their own, we have alleged ToT of submarines but still cant build one.

 

[ARMalik]

IF there is any truth to AL31 then this could also mean another thing -- PAF might be interested in Russian Birds with the same engine, example, SU 35 etc. !!

 

[Trango Towers]

IF there is any truth to AL31 then this could also mean another thing -- PAF might be interested in Russian Birds with the same engine, example, SU 35 etc. !!

Omg here we go...su35 now ...see what rumour mill does

 

[Trailer23]

As per news break by @messiach that PAF J10 will have Al31 engine with ToT

This is a big news, means PAF trust on Chinese engine is not yet achieved..

Secondly if AL31 is coming with ToT them RD93 will be also part of package as well.

Third point then there is higher chances that AZM or NGFA 5th gen will have Russian engine possibly AL 41

PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

But that‘s for the WS-10C, the updated version used by the J-20A. In contrast to the C-model, the J-10C uses the less powerful standard WS-10B, which is supposed to deliver a thrust of 132kn. No worries bro it is hard to find anything. Yes bro always hard to find official sources in China...

defence.pk

I'd have to disagree on the whole AL31 Engine & even more on the ToT, but feel free not to take my word.

The J-10C/E is coming with the Chinese engine & that's pretty much set in stone, but again you are at liberty to follow others.

 

[Ali_Baba]

As a side note - the AL31F engines have some design flaws, which led to the crash of a number of J10's and also causes all kinds of bother for the Su30MKI fleet in India.

Russia has point blank refused to fix the AL-31F and is instead focussing on the AL-41 engine for the Su-57 series.

So, while the RD-33 has done a good job in PAF service, it does not mean all Russian engines are equally as good.

( i dont see PAF going for AL-31Fs at all. If you conside Azm aswell, then PAF may want to settle around a chinese WS-series engine that will mature over time and one that could potentially be used for the 5th Gen fighter aswell ..).

Let's see.

 

[Inception-06]

No point comparing...the Chinese use WS-10B

A woman come in makes a wild claim and disappears and numb nuts discuss it as fact for 75 pages

Does it matter if it’s a woman or men ? Why we lose respect so fast for each other.

 

[Trango Towers]

Does it matter if it’s a woman or men ? Why we lose respect so fast for each other.

I think u r making the issues its a woman...maybe gender equality issues....who cares what he or she is..they started a rumor with no backup.

 

[Polestar 2]

J-10CE with AL-31 plus ToT? China has asked Russian for AL-31 ToT and refuse and now Pakistan asked Russian for AL-31Tot and granted.

Are Russia asking for trouble for Sino-Russian strategic R/S? I believe this rumor is absolutely faked. Plus China will never allowed J-10CE be exported with AL-31 engine.