PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[Mentee]

One advantage of buying the J-10c is that Pakistan only needs to buy 25 aircraft for air force training, and if the situation is tense, China can produce more than 100 aircraft a year. Save money and develop the economy.
Pakistan does not need quantity to buy Chinese weapons.

Economies usually develop momentum in peace time and in Pakistan's case it's bigger foe won't let it enjoy sustained economic growth ---------until pak raises conventional capabilities to a plateau where india would have to think thrice for even getting into a limited politically motivated skirmish .




So yes if a 7-9 4+gen. squadrons forces our eatern neighbour to become dormant/tone it down for atleast two consecutive decades , spending a couple of billions on defence is worth it.

 

[Zarvan]

Currently we are on a right track to strike a balance between 2 great world powers. China is our neighbor, time tested friend and global manufacturing powerhouse, while US has still the biggest market and military prowess, and they still own the petrodollar $$$ printing machines. We are culturally more inclined towards west/US due to our colonial era roots attached with the UK.

But still we can't deny the fact that China did invest/loan in Pakistan's development projects when nobody was willing to come to Pakistan. We have similar agenda in our foreign policies, shared animosity towards India in Ladakh/Kashmir.

So it would be foolish to turn against the neighbor, time tested friend China to please some power 3 oceans away. We've been betrayed twice in Afghanistan by the same "ally". Pakistan can't break ties or sit in the opposite camp of China under any foreign pressure. Same could be applied to country like Mexico would never dare to side against US upon request of Russia or China due to proximity and shared border with the US.

When Afghanistan was being liberated from the foreign powers in the August, Pakistan was also going through a policy shift as was most of the world like US, India, Russia etc. to name a few. That's why we are experiencing different approach from the leadership of the US and Pakistan towards each other.

We can't choose USA over China. That is not what I am saying but we can still have good relationship with USA. We won't take any aid and in return if we pay full price they should agree to sell us the weapons we want to buy. That is what equal relationship should be. Don't ask for any discount if you have money buy the weapon and they as seller should not have issue in selling weapons to us as we are paying full price.

My money is on HD-1(series) of weapons and/or a Y-9 EW platform.

Those are done deals but no those are not BUT.

 

[The Eagle]

We have an active thread of J-10C for PAF. Shouldn't we merge both?

 

[The Eagle]

Yes.



What I suggested has little to do with US Pakistanis relations. The real question is whether Pakistan will bold enough to accept the F-16Vs when the time comes.

That said, nothing is for certain. We will know when the time comes, if at all.

I got your point Dear. I was merely pointing towards something misunderstood by the people, when it comes to Pakistan US relations. Most of opinion is based upon emotions & political behaviours. When it comes to Mil to Mil; relations are different and cooperation exists and can't be rejected on plain face. Both will continue in certain departments unless total self reliance by Pakistan. For example

https://twitter.com/x/status/1493208404365508609

US President can't even bother to say, "Hello" to PM Imran Khan?

Is that even needed or is it because of usual political trolling keep coming up with such low & cheap shots.

 

[maverick1977]

US only respects nations that respects themselves.. Pakistan has an independent foreign policy and things will be in Pakistans favor overtime

 

[Shotgunner51]

Currently we are on a right track to strike a balance between 2 great world powers. China is our neighbor, time tested friend and global manufacturing powerhouse, while US has still the biggest market and military prowess, and they still own the petrodollar $$$ printing machines. We are culturally more inclined towards west/US due to our colonial era roots attached with the UK.

But still we can't deny the fact that China did invest/loan in Pakistan's development projects when nobody was willing to come to Pakistan. We have similar agenda in our foreign policies, shared animosity towards India in Ladakh/Kashmir.

So it would be foolish to turn against the neighbor, time tested friend China to please some power 3 oceans away. We've been betrayed twice in Afghanistan by the same "ally". Pakistan can't break ties or sit in the opposite camp of China under any foreign pressure. Same could be applied to country like Mexico would never dare to side against US upon request of Russia or China due to proximity and shared border with the US.

When Afghanistan was being liberated from the foreign powers in the August, Pakistan was also going through a policy shift as was most of the world like US, India, Russia etc. to name a few. That's why we are experiencing different approach from the leadership of the US and Pakistan towards each other.

Excellent assessment!

Yes Pakistan-China alliance is built on solid foundation (common prosperity goal aka BRI, common threat aka India) while Pakistan stays out of China-US rivalry, it's realpolitik and how all nations operate. It's also in China's national interests to have an ally who owns an unique diplomatic sphere of influence.

 

[Blueskiez 2001]

why is this thread so active

Exactly...

We are observing what 2 pictures can do to a tread....

 

[aliyusuf]

Both F-16 and Typhoons has chance brother. We are Pakistan. And yes we know about economy and geo political issues. Still they are open and we most likely will be going for them. @Big_bud

F16s have chance and make logical sense. Except that US has been denying us even Turkish Helis. Plus waiting list. Plus PAF leadership have had enough of US deception when they declined handing our F16s. We went ahead with a whole JF17 program for that? EFT is a potent choice except it does not have an AESA radar as far as I know. Plus its twin engined, expensive and doesn't really fit the bill or doctrine of PAF. PAF always believed in inducting in numbers so doesn't make sense if we have 70 odd F16s, 60 Odd J10cs and some xx odd EFTS as well? Its a khichri! But if F16s... then HOW!!??

Agreed that Typhoons are too expensive and w/o AESA to be a viable contender.

But even if we get F-16V's or Typhoon, the main issue is the weaponry that would be on offer on them.

Would the west offer its top of the line air to air and air to surface and ship weapons systems?

No way in hell would they offer anything that would surpass that which India has after 2/27/2019.

Would the west offer anything even close to PL-15?

Should we go for a toothless and clawless tiger?

 

[Zarvan]

Agreed that Typhoons are too expensive and w/o AESA to be a viable contender.

But even if we get F-16V's or Typhoon, the main issue is the weaponry that would be on offer on them.

Would the west offer its top of the line air to air and air to surface and ship weapons systems?

No way in hell would they offer anything that would surpass that which India has after 2/27/2019.

Should we go for a toothless and clawless tiger?

Yes west would sell you their top of the line Air to Air and Air to Ground weapons as long as you are ready to pay for them. India is not that big of a issue.

 

[Blueskiez 2001]

Hi,

It was in 2014 that on this very forum and if I am not forgetting also on sino def forum as well that I wrote that Paf had made a deal for the J10's---( and there were a few others---a very few others who knew it and those who believed it ).

This forum showed some excitement---but the sinodef forum was full of ridicule towards me---specially Deino---.

Funny thing is that over everything that they ridiculed me---other than the JH7A's---pakistan has most of those items in their colors---and some getting closer to final production.

Defence procurement is like no other business in the world---and these tech clever looking for LINK, posters, think that the TRUTH is somehow attached to a computer link---.stupidity at a level never seen in the history of mankind---.

So are you implying that Pakistan made a deal for j-10 in 2014??

 

[arjunk]

My last brain cell before the math exam starts:

 

[Deino]

My last brain cell before the math exam starts:

Best luck to you!

 

[aliyusuf]

Yes west would sell you their top of the line Air to Air and Air to Ground weapons as long as you are ready to pay for them. India is not that big of a issue.

Well, I think differently.
Israel has its agenda associated with India vis-a-vis Pakistan. Their lobby is the most powerful in the US. They most likely won't allow it.

 

[The Eagle]

frankly I think it was a shit move by bajwa, it will look like he is going running to the americans while the government is trying to strengthen alliances with China and Russia. I mean, WHY? Kia zaroorat hay amreekans ko ghaans daal ney ki?!

May be it's the way how you see it but he is not going by himself. It is all discussed, planned & permitted accordingly. You don't just shut doors without asking as of first so not to regret later. Maintaining the balance is much more harder than choosing sides and former needs lot of patience, guts & skills.

 

[Zarvan]

Well, I think differently.
Israel has its agenda associated with India vis-a-vis Pakistan. Their lobby is the most powerful in the US. They most likely won't allow it.

If Israeli lobby would have been able to stop it we won't have gotten F-16 in 80s. We would get weapons which we want as long as we have money INSHALLAH