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First Pakistani Army Viper Attack Helicopter Spotted

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The general involved in this deal needs to b suspended now
 
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ziaulislam said:
1.afghan 1st country who refused to accept pakistan yet this only the elite, the majority pushtoon doesnot hate us, if you think... so you need to come and get a lesson in geography and FYI i am a pushtoon
2.Bangladesh whole narrative is based upon creation from pakistan
3.india..invaded pakistan for no reason multiple times, even today occupy parts of pakistan(like junagaraph which was accepted as part of pakistan by india till annextion in 1949), has invaded every neighboring country and even occupies some coutnries like sikkam after forcefully annexing them
4. can you name one european country that hate us
5. really iran, a shia terroist country..are you in your right mind
yet most of them dont hate us..where did you go that idea
6. USA, since when USA hates, look US went with flawed polciy in Afghanistan, threw over 200 billion dollars and still doesnt control 40% of terroity
all TTP operates from this area
either it has to tell its people that all of this was due to mis management or due to pakistan, iran(they say both)and russia(ops they dont have boarder with afg any more, never mind)

so next time when you quote india, remember that even in this world of might is right united nation resolutions have some meaning, go and read them

now i expect you start pointing out what bad things we are doing which is okay but still doesnt answer the above
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I am about to write a very upsetting post and it would feel mean. That's not the kind of a person I am. But sometimes, you have to shock a human body to bring it back to normal. I don't think it would work but here goes.

The time you took to write the 6 or so point, you and others could've taken that time to soul search and think about your country Pakistan. I have great memories of hiking and mountain climbing, loving people and their hospitality from Pakistan. So you should see that I respect your country. But its the people who don't get it. Here are my points and these are real from a worlds standpoint.

1: In all your points above, basically, as a standard Pakistani response, you've declined to accept any responsibility. This is exactly the issue the US has with you. Obviously, I am just speaking from your post as that's the standard response of "not me". Afghan's hate Pakistan, well, its their fault. Bengalis hate Pakistan, well, there is a reason and its other than anything wrong that was happened to them by Pakistan or Pakistanis. Iran is always skeptical of Pakistan, well that's because they are Shia's. KSA has often times be skeptical (unless the Shariffs are in power), well, its because they don't like your Benazir or whoever else. Do you see a pattern here? There is not even one sigh of "we have flaws, we made a few mistakes". Your attitude here is what the US government gets from the Pakistani military. Haqqani's? Well, they have an issue, but we'll work on it. When asks the US administration? As its been 8 years of that promise again and again. Well, when we can clean up the north and the south and the east. Common guys, we gave you locations and each time they ran away. Well, its because they move a lot. No one leaked anything to them. See a similar pattern to your post here??

2: India's not attacked you. If you are taught that, you should've read a different book. Pakistan attacked India in 65 and 71 and in Kargil. Who does that when you have less than 3 weeks of ammo to fire and little air-force? Its the bravado of the Pakistani Army!! It doesn't make sense to any sane mind. But the chorus you are taught to sing is that "India attacked us"!!

3: Time and time again, you guys have told everyone, we are a nuke power, we are this and that. When truly, 90% of the Pakistani people are super concerned right now on Trump's tweet. My question is why bullshit with someone who is much superior than you and can cause harm to you? If you don't want to work with them, you should say it vs. dodging the question and getting away with a lot. Musharraff has f*ked your country over, there is 0% doubt about it. There was another way to cut that deal. But who'se fault is that? Your military doesn't want to allow a system to be created and take shape because they want to be the absolute power station. How many places can they go run? Running a nation in this difficult situation is much beyond their capability.

4: Often times I hear and read about you guys asking for "equal relations" with the US. Well, how do you get it? You don't let a system stay in its allowed power of 5 years without damaging it. You don't allow one leaders policies to take shape for the past 50 years. You don't allow economy to grow. How can the US work with you on equal basis when all you've asked the US for the past 50 years was "please give me $$$$"!!?? You need to stand on your feet, be peaceful and grow the economy. That is the only way forward.
 
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HAIDER said:
Its already done
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There is no doubt military sanction have been placed against Pakistan.According to statement sanctions are on military aid and cooperation.
But still it is not clear that Sanctions are only on MILITARY AID and Co operation or it also includes military sale deal (Previous + Future deals).
 
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good if they did not came or we have to ask help from USA to maintain them next 20 years
 
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Unfortunately these Vipers would be the casualty of the US sanctions.
 
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DJ_Viper said:
I am about to write a very upsetting post and it would feel mean. That's not the kind of a person I am. But sometimes, you have to shock a human body to bring it back to normal. I don't think it would work but here goes.

The time you took to write the 6 or so point, you and others could've taken that time to soul search and think about your country Pakistan. I have great memories of hiking and mountain climbing, loving people and their hospitality from Pakistan. So you should see that I respect your country. But its the people who don't get it. Here are my points and these are real from a worlds standpoint.

1: In all your points above, basically, as a standard Pakistani response, you've declined to accept any responsibility. This is exactly the issue the US has with you. Obviously, I am just speaking from your post as that's the standard response of "not me". Afghan's hate Pakistan, well, its their fault. Bengalis hate Pakistan, well, there is a reason and its other than anything wrong that was happened to them by Pakistan or Pakistanis. Iran is always skeptical of Pakistan, well that's because they are Shia's. KSA has often times be skeptical (unless the Shariffs are in power), well, its because they don't like your Benazir or whoever else. Do you see a pattern here? There is not even one sigh of "we have flaws, we made a few mistakes". Your attitude here is what the US government gets from the Pakistani military. Haqqani's? Well, they have an issue, but we'll work on it. When asks the US administration? As its been 8 years of that promise again and again. Well, when we can clean up the north and the south and the east. Common guys, we gave you locations and each time they ran away. Well, its because they move a lot. No one leaked anything to them. See a similar pattern to your post here??

2: India's not attacked you. If you are taught that, you should've read a different book. Pakistan attacked India in 65 and 71 and in Kargil. Who does that when you have less than 3 weeks of ammo to fire and little air-force? Its the bravado of the Pakistani Army!! It doesn't make sense to any sane mind. But the chorus you are taught to sing is that "India attacked us"!!

3: Time and time again, you guys have told everyone, we are a nuke power, we are this and that. When truly, 90% of the Pakistani people are super concerned right now on Trump's tweet. My question is why bullshit with someone who is much superior than you and can cause harm to you? If you don't want to work with them, you should say it vs. dodging the question and getting away with a lot. Musharraff has f*ked your country over, there is 0% doubt about it. There was another way to cut that deal. But who'se fault is that? Your military doesn't want to allow a system to be created and take shape because they want to be the absolute power station. How many places can they go run? Running a nation in this difficult situation is much beyond their capability.

4: Often times I hear and read about you guys asking for "equal relations" with the US. Well, how do you get it? You don't let a system stay in its allowed power of 5 years without damaging it. You don't allow one leaders policies to take shape for the past 50 years. You don't allow economy to grow. How can the US work with you on equal basis when all you've asked the US for the past 50 years was "please give me $$$$"!!?? You need to stand on your feet, be peaceful and grow the economy. That is the only way forward.
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You have said it right! But same question can be asked about US too. Does it have any fault?
Even without any recent conflict with Mexico or Canada do you think majority of the people from neighboring countries have favorable opinion about US policies? Should we also talk about western nations? Sir the thing is every nation has its fault and NO ONE IS WILLING TO ACCEPT IT!
 
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Myth_buster_1 said:
You have said it right! But same question can be asked about US too. Does it have any fault?
Even without any recent conflict with Mexico or Canada do you think majority of the people from neighboring countries have favorable opinion about US policies? Should we also talk about western nations? Sir the thing is every nation has its fault and NO ONE IS WILLING TO ACCEPT IT!
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Does the US has any fault. I am sure we all do. But again, you are as a standard Pakistani response, putting the other party in it vs. making it for yourself. That's what we call a standard Pakistani response! Whether the US has faults or not, to be frank, the US can afford to have the faults and ignore them too. That was the WHOLE point. So ask your military to allow a system to be created in Pakistan to ensure economic growth. That's when you can have faults and no one cares. India comes to mind as an example. Learn to be stronger and that's only through $$$$ and for that, you need to tell your military to allow a system to be built.
 
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DJ_Viper said:
Does the US has any fault. I am sure we all do. But again, you are as a standard Pakistani response, putting the other party in it vs. making it for yourself. That's what we call a standard Pakistani response! Whether the US has faults or not, to be frank, the US can afford to have the faults and ignore them too. That was the WHOLE point. So ask your military to allow a system to be created in Pakistan to ensure economic growth. That's when you can have faults and no one cares. India comes to mind as an example. Learn to be stronger and that's only through $$$$ and for that, you need to tell your military to allow a system to be built.
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Geez you talk shit.
 
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Imran Khan said:
good if they did not came or we have to ask help from USA to maintain them next 20 years
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I understand it is a FMS sale and not a FMF.

It would be a bit difficult to block it as we may take the matter to a court of law.
 
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