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They love Indians and vis-a-vs. Ever thought why is it that Bengalis, Indians, Iranians to a huge degree (not all), Afghans, the US, Europeans all dislike Pakistan and have done so even before the nukes?
1.afghan 1st country who refused to accept pakistan yet this only the elite, the majority pushtoon doesnot hate us, if you think... so you need to come and get a lesson in geography and FYI i am a pushtoon
2.Bangladesh whole narrative is based upon creation from pakistan
3.india..invaded pakistan for no reason multiple times, even today occupy parts of pakistan(like junagaraph which was accepted as part of pakistan by india till annextion in 1949), has invaded every neighboring country and even occupies some coutnries like sikkam after forcefully annexing them
4. can you name one european country that hate us
5. really iran, a shia terroist country..are you in your right mind
yet most of them dont hate us..where did you go that idea
6. USA, since when USA hates, look US went with flawed polciy in Afghanistan, threw over 200 billion dollars and still doesnt control 40% of terroity
all TTP operates from this area
either it has to tell its people that all of this was due to mis management or due to pakistan, iran(they say both)and russia(ops they dont have boarder with afg any more, never mind)

so next time when you quote india, remember that even in this world of might is right united nation resolutions have some meaning, go and read them

now i expect you start pointing out what bad things we are doing which is okay but still doesnt answer the above
 
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Are you sure this is the case? You don't think something happened....another misadventure by your military that had to screw up Trump's new years evening and thus the tweet? I saw a few clips on the BBC news. Your politicians and ex-military guys are saying that 'America is trying to blame Pakistan for its defeat"? This is the stupidest thing ever. Can you explain to these people that these wars don't mean a win or defeat to us and these are reasons for our presence?

Rest assured, we don't want your freedom, nukes or whatever else. We do want you guys to not create further issues in Afghanistan and India. Afghans do not like Pakistan. I have come to know many. They love Indians and vis-a-vs. Ever thought why is it that Bengalis, Indians, Iranians to a huge degree (not all), Afghans, the US, Europeans all dislike Pakistan and have done so even before the nukes? This is a real question I hope you guys can internally ask and learn about if your military gives you the power to ask questions.

Why is it? Because take a look at the Pakistani population that needs growth. Than, take a look at the military of Pakistan, her shenanigans, styles, interference in so many countries. Is that really needed? Ongoing misadventures. Trying to compare ISI with the CIA, trying to compare Pakistan as the world's only Islamic super power? I am writing this post with care for Pakistan. I'd hope that some in Pakistan would understand that your energies have been focused on creating your own military regime. When there was no need to. You guys take out civilians and then are left with the only option you've ever come to known, that's a military option. Resulting in pissing other nations, groups of people off, resulting in bad reputation for your own country. When would this craziness stop?? But no one wants to focus on the real thing, instead, Pakistanis believe that "America is blaming them for Afghan war"!! WOW! India, I can understand. But Iran, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Europe, so many countries that otherwise could seriously increase your economic output, but you'd rather live under the delusion that these countries are in a competition with Pakistan? Unbelievable!

Which European country has a problem with us?
With respect to Iran, even though our relationship isn't very great we still have trade and mutual cooperation.

As for Afghanistan and Bangladesh, they are the ones that have picked bones with us. Your comments would be best directed to them.

You seem to be parroting the Indian line here. Are you sure you are not one yourself?
 
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These days everyone talks about the undying friendship with China. Permit me to briefly describe the history of India / China relationship.

India & Britain (because of Hong Kong) were among the very first non-Communist countries to recognise PRC (Peoples Republic of China) very early January 1950. Pakistan recognised PRC one year later in 1951.

Until 1954 India & China were close friends and some oldies might remember “Hindi Chini bhai bhai” slogan of the 1950's. ‘Five Principles” (Panchsheel) of peaceful coexistence was signed in April, 1954 between Indian & China which consisted of (1) Mutual respect for each other’s territorial integrity and sovereignty; (2) Mutual non-aggression; (3) Mutual non-interference in each other’s internal affairs;(4) Equality and mutual benefit: and(5) Peaceful coexistence. The good relations continued and Indian President Radhakrishnan visited China during September 1957.

It was not until January 1959 when PRC Premier Chou En Lai claimed 40,000 square miles of territory in Ladakh & NEFA that relations started to turn sour. A meeting between Pundit Nehru & Chou En Lai in Delhi during April 1960 failed to resolve the boundary question. In April 1959 Dalai Lama escaped from Lhasa to India where he was granted asylum. This act was nail in the coffin of good Sino Indian relations and culminated in the November 1962 border war between Indian & China.

Let us be clear, no country is any other country’s’ eternal friend, nor its eternal enemy. Qatar was a close friend and ally of other Arab Gulf countries and an active member of GCC where citizens of all member countries can travel and work freely without a visa. All of a sudden they are no longer friends. Former U.S. President Harry Truman alleged to have said of the US relationships: “If you want an eternal Friend, get a dog."

Pakistan / US friendship goes back 60 years when we joint SEATO & CENTO and Pakistan started receiving F-86 fighters, Patton tanks & the Ghazi submarine. Now some people are suggesting stopping buying US equipment!
Who is the ungrateful one?

We can’t afford French fighters, Russia is still quite close to India and no one knows for certain what would happen after Putin. This means relying 100% on the Chinese. Must we put all our eggs in one basket again?

If Sino Indian relations can plummet from Hindi China bhai bhai to physical fighting between the two giant neighbours in the span of 12 years; possibility of Pak – China relations going sour in a couple of decades cannot be ruled out altogether.

Pakistan has already diversified her military hardware acquisitions. In order to get the best bang for our buck, Pakistan must look for weapons that best suit her requirement from wherever the same can be acquired.
Thankfully you haven't put Turkey into the equation!!!!! I hope it remains that way.....
 
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relations ships that have public backing arent going to change alot because politicians are going to change accordingly
this includes pak turkey and pak chiina relationship
to some extent it includes pak saudi relationship(among particular sect) and pak iran relationship(among a particular sect)

india china relationship were never really based upon such sentiments
 
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Which European country has a problem with us?
With respect to Iran, even though our relationship isn't very great we still have trade and mutual cooperation.

As for Afghanistan and Bangladesh, they are the ones that have picked bones with us. Your comments would be best directed to them.

You seem to be parroting the Indian line here. Are you sure you are not one yourself?

No one's parroting anyone's lines here. If you think about this for a second, about Pakistan, why so much turbulance for the past 60 years? Why never a system? Why every PM elected by votes was declared a murderer or corrupt and was kicked out. Then go to 1965 pre-emptive war, Kargill, Afghan mujahedeen and then Taliban, not to mention arming your own countrymen, your kids back then in Karachi and other places. You ask WHY? Why are things not getting done properly. And now to the last attack in India three or four days ago and then came the angry Indian media response and then Trump. Niki Haley is an Indian and she has the president's ear. So remember that.
 
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No one's parroting anyone's lines here. If you think about this for a second, about Pakistan, why so much turbulance for the past 60 years? Why never a system? Why every PM elected by votes was declared a murderer or corrupt and was kicked out. Then go to 1965 pre-emptive war, Kargill, Afghan mujahedeen and then Taliban, not to mention arming your own countrymen, your kids back then in Karachi and other places. You ask WHY? Why are things not getting done properly. And now to the last attack in India three or four days ago and then came the angry Indian media response and then Trump. Niki Haley is an Indian and she has the president's ear. So remember that.
Nikki always cry
 
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So rest assured these are not coming. Not after what is going on between US and Pakistan.
 
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Viper will see delay in delivery depending on ease of current tension between two countries.

Viper will see delay in delivery depending on ease of current tension between two countries.
 
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AH-1Z is useful if it comes with a Long-Bow Mmw radar and Top Owl HMDS, however some versions of Hellfire-II uses SAL (semi active laser) guidance which dont require a Mmw Radar.
 
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Thankfully you haven't put Turkey into the equation!!!!! I hope it remains that way.....


Hon Hakikat,

Pak Turkish cultural & historical roots run very deep. Our language Urdu is itself a Turkish word and has many words borrowed from the Turkish language; for example, we call our oven ‘Tandur’ not ‘Tanur’ as in Farsi.

For the benefit of the younger members who may be not aware of the modern history, permit me to briefly describe the close relationship between Turkish people and Muslims of the sub- continent that has existed for more than the last 150 years.

Import of the Wahhabi /Salafi creed is very recent, owing its rise to the influence of the bigot Zia and the CIA who exploited Islam merely to recruit fighters against the Soviets in Afghanistan. Unlike the Arab Middle East, majority of the Muslims of Pakistan & India belong to the Hanafi School, which is also the predominant faith of Turkish Muslims and after the end of the Mughal state, vast majority of the subcontinent Muslims adopted the Ottoman Caliph as their spiritual leader. To the best my knowledge, Ottoman Sultan was named in the Friday Khutba in many subcontinent mosques. Also contrary to the Arab Muslims who sided with the British and fought against the Ottomans, subcontinent Muslims remained supporters of the Turkish cause during WW1.

The support was not only verbal & political but also material. Following the Ottoman Turkey’s defeat and armistice of 1918; in addition to the Khilafat movement leaders Maulana Muhammad Ali, Shaukat Ali, Abul Kalam Azad, and Shibli Numani, All India Muslim League passed a resolution condemning the outrageous conduct of Sharif Hussein. Later, Muslim League under the presidency of HH Agha Khan and Ameer Ali (Head of London branch) made appeals to British Gov’t to save Turkey from disintegration. Even when the Turkish Grand National Assembly made a decision to abolish Caliphate disappointed the subcontinent Muslim masses; Allama Muhammad Iqbal considered it 'Ijtehad' and argued that according to the spirit of Islam, Caliphate can be vested in a body of persons or an elected Assembly.

All India Muslim League sent a medical commission under the supervision of Dr. Mukhtar Ahmad Ansari to assist the Turkish Red Crescent as early as during the Balkan Wars (1912 -1913). In December 1938, during his presidential address in the 27th session of All India Muslim League at Patna, Muhammad Ali Jinnah paid his heartiest homage to the charismatic leader of Turkey in these words, 'Another great figure; a world figure, who passed away is Mustafa Kamal Ataturk. His death has come as the great blow to the Muslim world. He was the foremost figure in the Muslim East'.

Khilafat Committee established three funds to support Turkey. The Khilafat Fund was utilised for financing the Khilafat movement in the British India. Smyrna Fund & the Angora Fund were earmarked to support the Turkish Nationalists. A total of £125,000 (roughly equal to £1.5-million at 2017 value) were collected in the two Turkish funds. This money was utilised to set up Türkiye İş Bankası or simply İşbank which is the Turkey’s largest bank today.

I would like to make it clear that the summary of historical events noted above is not meant in any way to remind anyone what the subcontinent Muslims have done for the Turkish people but it is merely to highlight the ‘Love and high regard ‘ that at least people of my generation have for their Turkish brethren.

Perish the thought; I would never dare of considering that Pak -Turkey friendship is based on ‘Realpolitik’ considerations.
 
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Who wanna bet America going to block Viper deal in next 48 hours ?
 
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If we don't get these then they better pay us the money back. Otherwise we should hold their supplies to Afghanistan hostage or ultimately decide to keep it.
 
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