China and India will Run the islamic law in their country

[Placemat]

At least ask question relevant to my post... not existential questions personal to your life. If you are concerned that much why not pick up Qur'an and understand it's narrative. That is also where you can understand attributes of the creator and reason for creation. Mind you Muslims do not believe in santa claus!

As in Qur'an (2:225)
Allah! There is no deity but Him, the Alive, the Eternal.
Neither slumber nor sleep overtaketh Him.
Unto Him belongeth whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth.
Who could intercede in His presence without His permission?
He knoweth that which is in front of them and that which is behind them,
while they encompass nothing of His knowledge except what He wills.
His throne includeth the heavens and the earth,
and He is never weary of preserving them.
He is the Sublime, the Tremendous.

Have browsed it.. i am unable to agree with out cheating myself. Just as with anyother godly book. Might as well believe in Santa. At least he "brings" you presents every year ..
I feel people are being mentally lazy by believing this . It's just a conjecture what will happen after death. Probably nothing will happen and you just die.
And what you have written above have heard it in all religions in one form.or other so nothing is original.
Really my questions are unanswered Nd will remain.

 

[randomradio]

Just like Middle East now ? even with abundant oil & gas they yet to call their shots.

I want Indians to be rich and powerful rather than calling shots around the world. Its not our work, other than US, Chinese might be able to do that.

All the Gulf countries will kowtow to India. We will be their biggest oil market, and we will have the most people in their countries, as we already do now. And our military presence in the Arabian Sea will be keeping them awake at night. India is the only country in the world that can justify an invasion into the Middle East for the sake of protecting millions of Indian minorities.

Afghanistan will continue to be our ally, as will BD. Maldives will soon fall into India's sphere of influence. Countries like Malaysia and Indonesia will need India to keep China off their backs.

Africa will be the new battleground between India and China, so all the Muslims African countries will want good relations with India.

The only black sheep is Pakistan. Who cares about them.

So Indian Muslims will get tremendous power over the decisions of other Muslim countries. In fact other Muslim countries will depend on Indian Muslims to become the face of the Muslim world considering the kind of extreme backlash they are facing throughout the world, which is only getting worse. You combine the soft power of Indian Muslims with the hard power of Indian money, it's obvious who's gonna rule the roost.

 

[Lincoln]

What if your family member converted and lived in your house practising the new relationship ever way he or she feels. If you are ok then let's talk


Nice troll

My family isn't a democracy

Also, family isn't really a correct analogy to use for a freaking country and community.

 

[Sugarcane]

Why not let muslims follow freely tgeir religion than imposing one on them by man made islam

The day Pakistani Muslims let others follow their religion freely in Pakistan, they will have ground to talk about same for Muslims in non-Muslim countries.

 

[Placemat]

My family isn't a democracy

Also, family isn't really a correct analogy to use for a freaking country and community.

correct.. family has a religion and is not a democracy. A country should have a democracy (or system of government) and not religion.

 

[313ghazi]

I dont understand one thing how hindu will decide the bill of islamic sharia of triple talaq which is not their portfolio of religion

And china want to compitable islam which is in itself is complete

Why not let muslims follow freely tgeir religion than imposing one on them by man made islam

I think this shoukd be stoped it is not matter of govt and countries to dictate a law which is tried and tested china better of look loop holes in their religion and indians should look first themselves

These are conditions you face when you are weak. The Chinese and the Indians are intolerant of Islam for different reasons but there is a common thread; Islam asks you to pledge loyalty to Allah above anyone and anything else. They both consider that a threat.

Worldwide Muslims are weak and they have no real power or representation at a religious level. Our nation states are not representatives of Islam and never can be. We can fool ourselves by calling ourselves Islamic republics or emirates or whatever other bakwas we choose, but no nation state can be responsible for citizens who do not pledge loyalty to them.

Hence in the absence of an "Islamic" political leadership (a Khalifah), we are "weak" and Muslims will face challenges to their freedom to practice their faith. The answer in each of these instances is "accept it or leave". That is the same for Muslims anywhere in the world - even in Muslim majority countries.

I suggest all Muslims watch Dirilis Ertugrul. The situation faced by those tribes are similar to the situation of the Muslim world today. Look beyond the story line, beyond the action sequences and love stories and tales of intrigue, focus instead on the politics and the similarities with where we are.

It also InshaAllah will show you the way out.

1. Internal strength within our tribes/nation states. Strength is not men and swords alone, strength is wisdom, wealth, stability, patience, faith in Allah, humility.

2. Coalitions/unity. Initially built on mutual interests and developed on shared ideology.

We've been in this state for nearly 100 years, and the decline to get there began a few hundred before that. Don't expect solutions in your lifetimes, learn from Israel. Work slowly towards your ideology, so that in another 100, 500, 1000 years, whenever the time is right, you can restore the scales of justice.

 

[Tom M]

What if he is a native to that land?

No native is above the Native Law which we call the Constitution. Accept and follow the rule of land, be happy and safe.

 

[Lincoln]

correct.. family has a religion and is not a democracy. A country should have a democracy (or system of government) and not religion.

You keep confusing the two. At your pleasure, they are not the same, at your pleasure they are the same. Here's the distinction point and focus point, religion is not a part of family exclusively. Religion is a part of culture, family, and the state in one way or another. The American Dollar proudly proclaims "In God We Trust", and Trump in a speech clearly said something along the lines that We (the Americans and the American Government) proudly hold our beliefs and believe in God, not Government, and why the our currency proudly proclaims "In God We Trust", these were not my words, these were Trump's.
The popular phrasing isn't that religion has no place in a democracy, the popular phrasing is that the democratic government will not intervene in the religious matters of people and is disconnected from it! What India is doing here is exactly intervening, that too deliberately, by trying to take up and twist a religious rule to suit itself.

 

[Jlaw]

Our country, our rule.

That applies to all countries. Religion should not dictate how a government should run.

 

[Placemat]

You keep confusing the two. At your pleasure, they are not the same, at your pleasure they are the same. Here's the distinction point and focus point, religion is not a part of family exclusively. Religion is a part of culture, family, and the state in one way or another. The American Dollar proudly proclaims "In God We Trust", and Trump in a speech clearly said something along the lines that We (the Americans and the American Government) proudly hold our beliefs and believe in God, not Government, and why the our currency proudly proclaims "In God We Trust", these were not my words, these were Trump's.
The popular phrasing isn't that religion has no place in a democracy, the popular phrasing is that the democratic government will not intervene in the religious matters of people and is disconnected from it! What India is doing here is exactly intervening, that too deliberately, by trying to take up and twist a religious rule to suit itself.

Okay lazy analogies should not be quoted.
That out of the way - democracy also does not mean that one cannot interfere in religion. Many Islamic countries are democracies too and same with Israel and Ireland.
Secularism defines the aspect where govt intersects with religions. I still don't know the meaning of secularism because it is interpreted and implemented in different ways by countries world over. I would say in practise it seems to be a loose term. Ideally secularism means at least to me that the state is agnostic to the religions of its citizens and the state should be disinterested to a citizens faith while delivering its services.
But clearly that's not how its implemented in various countries. I guess it would be ideal to understand how its interpreted in various countries before judging them.

Ps. on lighted note you said something in the dollar and said Trump quoted it. I think that dilutes the impact of what you want to convey

These are conditions you face when you are weak. The Chinese and the Indians are intolerant of Islam for different reasons but there is a common thread; Islam asks you to pledge loyalty to Allah above anyone and anything else. They both consider that a threat.

Worldwide Muslims are weak and they have no real power or representation at a religious level. Our nation states are not representatives of Islam and never can be. We can fool ourselves by calling ourselves Islamic republics or emirates or whatever other bakwas we choose, but no nation state can be responsible for citizens who do not pledge loyalty to them.

Hence in the absence of an "Islamic" political leadership (a Khalifah), we are "weak" and Muslims will face challenges to their freedom to practice their faith. The answer in each of these instances is "accept it or leave". That is the same for Muslims anywhere in the world - even in Muslim majority countries.

I suggest all Muslims watch Dirilis Ertugrul. The situation faced by those tribes are similar to the situation of the Muslim world today. Look beyond the story line, beyond the action sequences and love stories and tales of intrigue, focus instead on the politics and the similarities with where we are.

It also InshaAllah will show you the way out.

1. Internal strength within our tribes/nation states. Strength is not men and swords alone, strength is wisdom, wealth, stability, patience, faith in Allah, humility.

2. Coalitions/unity. Initially built on mutual interests and developed on shared ideology.

We've been in this state for nearly 100 years, and the decline to get there began a few hundred before that. Don't expect solutions in your lifetimes, learn from Israel. Work slowly towards your ideology, so that in another 100, 500, 1000 years, whenever the time is right, you can restore the scales of justice.

Climate change and pollution would destroy the world. How? Sperm counts in men and fertility in women are on a irreversible decline world over. Islam or not I would not like to live in a word 500 years hence.

 

[Super Falcon]

Because Islam is not native to either countries.

When you get to another person's house, you are a guest there.

As a guest, it is polite to abide by the norms of that house.

It is called courtesy.

The same goes for Islam.

It is a native of Saudi Arabia and is alien to the Eastern part of the world.

While there are other countries which have accepted Islam and replaced their own identity with it, we prefer to keep local culture alive.

I would ask our Chinese members here to clearly state this better for their country.

In China, they have a clear distinction between the patriotic Hui muslims and the jihadi type others.

In India, we have a clear distinction of the patriotic Muslims far from the terrorist Wahhabi/Salafist ones.

___________

Norms of Arab society and practises are not normal here; some may be, but most others are not. So the locals are different.

Simple.

Than when we force sharia in our land and your guys caught in it dont cry over it

That applies to all countries. Religion should not dictate how a government should run.

But in india religion of gaow mata is deciding how to run govt

The day Pakistani Muslims let others follow their religion freely in Pakistan, they will have ground to talk about same for Muslims in non-Muslim countries.

Before barking minorities here are far more free to preach their religion

Whilst Islam has not been in Bharat for as long as the Vedic and Puranic religions however Islam has been in Bharat for over 1000 years, that might not be long enough for you but more importantly most followers of Islam in Bharat are native, they just converted and those who were foreign married into the local population.
Muslims of Bharat are just as much native to Bharat as English are to England and as the non Muslims of Bharat. It is their house as well!!!

And to add if islam was evil than in those 1000 years rltipu sultan aurangzeb converted all hindus to islam and whole india could have beem islamistan

 

[third eye]

I dont understand one thing how hindu will decide the bill of islamic sharia of triple talaq which is not their portfolio of religion

Its quite simple actually.

Its not a hindu or Sikh that decides, its the parliament. The Constitution takes precedence which is why old archaic Hindu practices of women not being permitted in some religious places has been set aside by the SC. Similarly those of other religious must go too.

Just for the record , is triple talaq in vogue in your nation ?

 

[Sugarcane]

Before barking minorities here are far more free to preach their religion

Would have believed you if I was living on Mars.

 

[Hamza913]

Because Islam is not native to either countries.

You guys really need to make your minds up on whether Muslim Indians are sons of the soil or foreigners.

Over 1 million Indian Muslims signed a petition to end instant triple talaq.

That's not even 1% of Muslims in India.

It is upto your community leaders to reform the regressive practises and replace it with more practical modern ones.

Jog on.

You have no idea how much impatient the world has become over time with Islam.

You have no idea how little we care.

If Christians, Hindus, Buddhists etc can do it; so can you.

Our ideology isn't the same as those ones.

And yet Nalanda has been recreated again

Maybe we'll come over for a 2nd time.

Sharia will remain in Arabia; if it comes here, it will be shown the door

It already came to India and remained there for hundreds of years. So much for being "shown the door".

The way I see it, in 20 years, India will be so rich and powerful that Indian Muslims will start calling the shots for other Muslims all around the world.

All the Gulf countries will kowtow to India.

And our military presence in the Arabian Sea will be keeping them awake at night

India is the only country in the world that can justify an invasion into the Middle East for the sake of protecting millions of Indian minorities.

Afghanistan will continue to be our ally

Africa will be the new battleground between India and China, so all the Muslims African countries will want good relations with India.

The only black sheep is Pakistan. Who cares about them.

So Indian Muslims will get tremendous power over the decisions of other Muslim countries. In fact other Muslim countries will depend on Indian Muslims to become the face of the Muslim world considering the kind of extreme backlash they are facing throughout the world, which is only getting worse. You combine the soft power of Indian Muslims with the hard power of Indian money, it's obvious who's gonna rule the roost.

^^
Best joke I've read all morning.

 

[kmc_chacko]

All the Gulf countries will kowtow to India. We will be their biggest oil market, and we will have the most people in their countries, as we already do now. And our military presence in the Arabian Sea will be keeping them awake at night. India is the only country in the world that can justify an invasion into the Middle East for the sake of protecting millions of Indian minorities.

Afghanistan will continue to be our ally, as will BD. Maldives will soon fall into India's sphere of influence. Countries like Malaysia and Indonesia will need India to keep China off their backs.

Africa will be the new battleground between India and China, so all the Muslims African countries will want good relations with India.

The only black sheep is Pakistan. Who cares about them.

So Indian Muslims will get tremendous power over the decisions of other Muslim countries. In fact other Muslim countries will depend on Indian Muslims to become the face of the Muslim world considering the kind of extreme backlash they are facing throughout the world, which is only getting worse. You combine the soft power of Indian Muslims with the hard power of Indian money, it's obvious who's gonna rule the roost.

1) justify an invasion into the Middle East -
2) Malaysia and Indonesia will need India -
3) Muslims African countries will want good relations with India -
4) Who cares about them -
5) Indian Muslims will get tremendous power over the decisions of other Muslim countries -