Behind the CeaseFireLine (CFL) ......

[Pakistani Fighter]

India wants Pakistan to start a military offensive where as Pakistan is inclined towards a full fledged war if India attacks Pakistan militarily

Can you elaborate it?

 

[The Accountant]

PTM is a threat in Pakistan. ANA is the manpower and force in Afghanistan. NA are the local assets while RAW provides intel along with NDS.

The whole structure is ready.

Thats worrisome.

So do we have any plans to dismantle this infrastructure. Coz we dont do this sooner or later they will gain enough power like of TTP

 

[Signalian]

Can you elaborate it?

Please have a look at this video to understand what happens on CFL against IA deployed in IOK. Get an understanding how Pakistan operates and what weapons are used on CFL/LOC.

Thats worrisome.

So do we have any plans to dismantle this infrastructure. Coz we dont do this sooner or later they will gain enough power like of TTP

Lets wait and see what JUI and Molana is doing and what backing they have. If PTM is involved or not.

 

[bananarepublic]

Please have a look at this video to understand what happens on CFL against IA deployed in IOK. Get an understanding how Pakistan operates and what weapons are used on CFL/LOC.

Lets wait and see what JUI and Molana is doing and what backing they have. If PTM is involved or not.

No chance of any invasion from chitral
People in both sides along the border have respected each other.
Afghanistan is not capable of mounting such an offensive... Conventional Mountain warfare is a very grueling task and in case of Pakistan will be a very long stretched war ...
But then again a mounted offensive from chitral side can be very beneficial in terms of diplomacy and strategic gains.
GB scouts have never been equiped or trained to their full capabilities .. Right now GB scouts stands as a force which would compliment FCNA as most of their active deployment is around siachin...

 

[Signalian]

@Signalian kindly take note that the attack was in Chitral...

Those socalled AfghanArmy was backed by terrorist outfits... CFL is also hot...

Drones are needed on the western front... and a cordon sanitaire of a few miles from PakBroder as well.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/six-...en-wounded-in-firing-by-afghan-forces.641309/

There was a reason i was mentioning chitral again and again in this thread

 

[Wrath]

My very dear PakBrother,


Looks like CFL is hotter and hotter.

WinterWar?

Mangus

Can Indians afford it ? . Situation will definitely get out of India's hand .

 

[Signalian]

@Signalian

Very dear PakBrother mine,

What is happening behind the CeaseFireLine?

Have we forgotten?

The good IndianTerroristArmy and the good IndianFacistState is going to let PakKashmiris die en mass .... this will get them more land to settle the good Indians from the plains...

At this DarkHour GoP/DGISPR/FO need to make it Numer 1 focal point...but nothing of concrete value is happening...

I wonder why that is....

Mangus

PA troops from formations deployed on CFL are also taking part in anti-COVID19 drive along with civil management in AJK and related areas. All leaves cancelled.

 

[Signalian]

Yes, GB is also getting full support on the ground.... my question is regarding the PakState silence on the impeding 'passive' Genocide of PakKashmiris by the good IndianFascistState by simply not providing them HealthCare...

PMIK can tweet about that mad Swamy but why does he fail to do a tweet storm for PakKashmiris?

Ahhh the sensitive issue of GB/AJK

I can't say about PM-IK and his cabinet, but militarily, a force can fight just on so many fronts till it starts to exhaust and wear down. Retaliatory fire is always there, its effective too in silencing the enemy, even if for the time being, matching 1 on 1 is not possible.

 

[diligence]

Most members feel that PA will be advancing inside IOK very soon after crossing CFL. Maybe they got this impression from tweets of DG ISPR. Retaliation on CFL is happening and will happen but I dont think that crossing CFL and invading IOK what PA plans at the moment. Some members feel that war with India is imminent - Yes, if India escalates the matters through Regular Military incursion (ground-air-sea). Shelling over CFL is routine for both sides -use of MG, sniper, Mortar, ATGM, Artillery, drones etc. Escalation over CFL does not guarantee a full fledged war. Pakistan is not falling into traps of false flag operations.

India wants Pakistan to start a military offensive where as Pakistan is inclined towards a full fledged war if India attacks Pakistan militarily. We can speculate over a new strategy that India can use to get a response from Pakistan to initiate a war, e.g.

1. Spy Games -A Pakistani Military official captured inside India - just like Yadav has been captured inside Pakistan.

2. Historical 9/11 - An incident tenaciously similar to 9/11 occurring inside India which can shake up the whole world and then India feels the backing of whole world, infact forms a coalition with Afghanistan and Iran or other countries (Israel etc) to launch attacks inside Pakistan using Missiles or SF or IAF. This was tried back in 2008 as 26/11 by India, but nothing worthwhile came out of it.

3. The nuclear weaponization of Pakistan issue - Another option could be creating a situation such as detonating a device which has impact/effect/shape/result of a nuclear device inside Pakistan to show and prove that insurgents have got hold of nuclear weapons stolen from Nuclear facilities inside Pakistan - thus running to UN/USA and declaring rogue elements inside Pakistan controlling nuclear weapons and demanding worldwide action.

4. The insurgency advantage of 1971 - I don't see that as an advantage that India holds to start an offensive. In my previous posts in this topic, i mentioned that advantage as insurgents assisted by India operating inside Pakistan just like pre 2015 era of violence. PA COIN efforts have controlled this.

Then there are the usual international isolation techniques, economic crisis, military exercises near borders etc.

You have to speculate what India will do next so that it gets worldwide support to start a war with Pakistan since so far Pakistan is not falling into the trap of a full fledged war ?

With due respect, we need to be realistic, pragmatic, solidly determined, and slowly but steadily progressing on our planned course of action. People of Pakistan need to rest assured that Pak military has effective counter weapon systems to give a devastating response to Indians (be it their Bofors or whatever they have).

It is indeed well known to the people who matter that hitting, bleeding, humiliating, and defeating Indian military in Indian occupied J&K is not impossible. Given the ground realities in Indian occupied J&K with almost 100% anti-India alienation by the people in the occupied state, the first goal should be to hit the enemy nerve centers to make it shock-shelled and handicapped. That includes hitting their radar centers, communication towers/infrastructure, command posts, check posts, surveillance towers, bunkers and all the military infrastructure in Indian occupied J&K. At a suitable stage, hitting their military HQ periodically but consistently will make the enemy demoralize, panicked, and disoriented. Final blow should should be delivered when the enemy becomes immobile and incapable of offering any effective response.

I am sure the process has already been set rolling. With every passing day, you'll see Indian cries, lies, and deceptions. We might also have a few really bad setbacks here and there but that is part and parcel of any military campaign. Again, we need to be realistic, pragmatic, solidly determined, and slowly but steadily progressing on our planned course of action.

 

[Signalian]

Despite the pain of seeing Atroticities/CrimesAgainstHumanity committed by GanguTerroristArmy against PakKashmiris in IoJK.... I do support the current PakStrategy of not falling into EmotoinalTrap and staying coolheaded.

i think God heard somebody from IOK - damn virus. The whole world has become like Kashmir.

 

[diligence]

Events occurring in Indian occupied J&K during the past few weeks are indicative of a deep and pervasive change in the ground realities in that occupied state. After revoking the special status of the state given to it in the Indian national constitution (even though that special status was a farce and deception based on a pack of blatant lies), Indian Hindu fascists ruling the country under a globally disgraced murderer Modi thought the game was over for the people of the occupied state and for Pakistan too. The act of revocation was not a sudden move on part of the Hindu fascists run Indian government. It was a rather well thought out strategy (a short sighted one though) based on one crucial assumption.

The Indian military and ruling gang of Hindu fascists have always believed in a harsh military response to Pakistan for any major incident in the occupied state of J&K by calling it an act of terrorism and blaming it on Pakistan. Confident of their overwhelming numerical superiority in terms of economy, foreign reserves, military weapon systems, and personnel, Indians believe that Pakistan will not be able to face a sustained Indian military campaign. To set new narrative based on that belief, Modi sent his planes to launch an airborne attack on Balakot in KPK (i.e. in proper Pakistan territory and not the disputed land of pre-1947 state of the J&K). This was a clearly naked aggression contrary to international law and norms. Indians justified their aggression by calling it an attack on terrorists (i.e. non-state actors) who were blamed by Modi government for the killing of 40 or so Indian soldiers in a roadside attack launched by a young Kashmiri suicide bomber. In a typical Indian euphoria, Indians then started claiming to have set a new military/geostrategic norm of hitting Pakistan for any attack launched by the Kashmiri freedom fighters.

This all was apparently done to set a stage for revoking the special status of the occupied state of J&K and, prior to that, pushing Pakistan into defensive or even submissive to Indian aggression. And it seems that all that was being persued with a collusion of some global powers. Had Pakistan not given a bloody-nose response to that Indian aggression the very next day morning, Indians would have resorted to repeated more aggressive acts against Pakistan for every post revocation loss to freedom fighters in the state of J&K. But Pakistanis indeed humiliated Indians when they responded to Indian aggression in the broad daylight, dominated the skies on the occupied state, and shot down at least two Indian fighter planes. Modi resorted to threatening to target several Pak cities with surface to surface missiles but was forced to retract by a counter threat for a devastating Pak response. Indian attempt to set a new norm was thus brutally smashed by Pakistan then and there.

Modi-led Indian fascist government, however, kept moving ahead on their original plan of creating a pure Hindu country by not only revoking the special status of occupied state of J&K but also changing the citizenship-related laws thus effectively declaring all Indian minorities, especially so the Muslims, non-Indian citizens. Fascist Indian Hindu leaders openly claimed in their interviews with foreign media that talking about human rights is valid only among the equals, thus, implying that the members of Indian minorities are not equal to ones belonging to Hindu majority. The civilized world was, for the first time, shocked by seeing the real ugly face of the largest democracy of the world. Pakistanis, however, were not surprised at all. We knew Hindu reality and psyche for centuries.
Modi government's actions (including locking down the whole population of 8 million Kashmiri people) and attempts of changing the demographics in the occupied state made it abundantly clear to the people of occupied J&K of their bleak future. They were already struggling and fighting against illegal Indian occupation, that is continuing in clear violation of UN resolutions about the Kashmir dispute, but this time the deep alienation and hatred towards Indian occupation forces reached to almost 100%. The Kashmiri youth overwhelmingly jumped into the freedom movement. And the new ground realities are manifesting into the frequent gun fights in the occupied land.


In the original Modi's plans, all this was supposed to be tackled by attacking and bleeding Pakistan not only at the LoC but also on our Western border. But Modi's military is already getting a severe beating in the hands of Pak military at the LoC and the Indian terrorist wing (i.e. RAW) is getting devastating blows in the Afghan lands too. Not much choice is left for Modi and his gang of terrorists except a large scale active confrontation with Pakistan in a hope that numerical Indian superiority would bring a face saving solution to Modi’s deep troubles.

However, the situation in the occupied state of J&K seems to be moving towards a stage (as witnessed in late 90's) when freedom fighters would be chasing Indian occupation forces to their barracks, military headquarters, and garrisons. Pakistan needs to actively support the freedom movement to save the endangered humanity in the Indian occupied J&K. We need to make sure that Indian military becomes incapable of mobility in the occupied lands. The tide has already started turning. Fascist Modi does not have many choices. He has entered a deadly hole. Don't let him get out of that stranglehold. The ray of light and hope is finally visible to the oppressed people of occupied J&K at the end of a long and dark tunnel. Just smash the head of this poisonous snake - a war criminal and the enemy of humanity.

 

[Dil Pakistan]

Events occurring in Indian occupied J&K during the past few weeks are indicative of a deep and pervasive change in the ground realities in that occupied state. After revoking the special status of the state given to it in the Indian national constitution (even though that special status was a farce and deception based on a pack of blatant lies), Indian Hindu fascists ruling the country under a globally disgraced murderer Modi thought the game was over for the people of the occupied state and for Pakistan too. The act of revocation was not a sudden move on part of the Hindu fascists run Indian government. It was a rather well thought out strategy (a short sighted one though) based on one crucial assumption.

The Indian military and ruling gang of Hindu fascists have always believed in a harsh military response to Pakistan for any major incident in the occupied state of J&K by calling it an act of terrorism and blaming it on Pakistan. Confident of their overwhelming numerical superiority in terms of economy, foreign reserves, military weapon systems, and personnel, Indians believe that Pakistan will not be able to face a sustained Indian military campaign. To set new narrative based on that belief, Modi sent his planes to launch an airborne attack on Balakot in KPK (i.e. in proper Pakistan territory and not the disputed land of pre-1947 state of the J&K). This was a clearly naked aggression contrary to international law and norms. Indians justified their aggression by calling it an attack on terrorists (i.e. non-state actors) who were blamed by Modi government for the killing of 40 or so Indian soldiers in a roadside attack launched by a young Kashmiri suicide bomber. In a typical Indian euphoria, Indians then started claiming to have set a new military/geostrategic norm of hitting Pakistan for any attack launched by the Kashmiri freedom fighters.

This all was apparently done to set a stage for revoking the special status of the occupied state of J&K and, prior to that, pushing Pakistan into defensive or even submissive to Indian aggression. And it seems that all that was being persued with a collusion of some global powers. Had Pakistan not given a bloody-nose response to that Indian aggression the very next day morning, Indians would have resorted to repeated more aggressive acts against Pakistan for every post revocation loss to freedom fighters in the state of J&K. But Pakistanis indeed humiliated Indians when they responded to Indian aggression in the broad daylight, dominated the skies on the occupied state, and shot down at least two Indian fighter planes. Modi resorted to threatening to target several Pak cities with surface to surface missiles but was forced to retract by a counter threat for a devastating Pak response. Indian attempt to set a new norm was thus brutally smashed by Pakistan then and there.

Modi-led Indian fascist government, however, kept moving ahead on their original plan of creating a pure Hindu country by not only revoking the special status of occupied state of J&K but also changing the citizenship-related laws thus effectively declaring all Indian minorities, especially so the Muslims, non-Indian citizens. Fascist Indian Hindu leaders openly claimed in their interviews with foreign media that talking about human rights is valid only among the equals, thus, implying that the members of Indian minorities are not equal to ones belonging to Hindu majority. The civilized world was, for the first time, shocked by seeing the real ugly face of the largest democracy of the world. Pakistanis, however, were not surprised at all. We knew Hindu reality and psyche for centuries.
Modi government's actions (including locking down the whole population of 8 million Kashmiri people) and attempts of changing the demographics in the occupied state made it abundantly clear to the people of occupied J&K of their bleak future. They were already struggling and fighting against illegal Indian occupation, that is continuing in clear violation of UN resolutions about the Kashmir dispute, but this time the deep alienation and hatred towards Indian occupation forces reached to almost 100%. The Kashmiri youth overwhelmingly jumped into the freedom movement. And the new ground realities are manifesting into the frequent gun fights in the occupied land.


In the original Modi's plans, all this was supposed to be tackled by attacking and bleeding Pakistan not only at the LoC but also on our Western border. But Modi's military is already getting a severe beating in the hands of Pak military at the LoC and the Indian terrorist wing (i.e. RAW) is getting devastating blows in the Afghan lands too. Not much choice is left for Modi and his gang of terrorists except a large scale active confrontation with Pakistan in a hope that numerical Indian superiority would bring a face saving solution to Modi’s deep troubles.

However, the situation in the occupied state of J&K seems to be moving towards a stage (as witnessed in late 90's) when freedom fighters would be chasing Indian occupation forces to their barracks, military headquarters, and garrisons. Pakistan needs to actively support the freedom movement to save the endangered humanity in the Indian occupied J&K. We need to make sure that Indian military becomes incapable of mobility in the occupied lands. The tide has already started turning. Fascist Modi does not have many choices. He has entered a deadly hole. Don't let him get out of that stranglehold. The ray of light and hope is finally visible to the oppressed people of occupied J&K at the end of a long and dark tunnel. Just smash the head of this poisonous snake - a war criminal and the enemy of humanity.

A fantastic write up - if you have done the thinking and writing, then CONGRATULATIONS.

I would only add, the situation for India this time is much worse than 90's.
Now, even the Mehbooba Mufti and Abdullah type of people have had enough of India. Even if they try to support India, they will become an outcast. Essentially, these "tools" are political and can only work in a political and election environment. Kashmir has come very far away from any political process. The only way to turn back would be via a massive constitutional and military de-escalation, which will not happen under BJP.

 

[Armchair]

Events occurring in Indian occupied J&K during the past few weeks are indicative of a deep and pervasive change in the ground realities in that occupied state. After revoking the special status of the state given to it in the Indian national constitution (even though that special status was a farce and deception based on a pack of blatant lies), Indian Hindu fascists ruling the country under a globally disgraced murderer Modi thought the game was over for the people of the occupied state and for Pakistan too. The act of revocation was not a sudden move on part of the Hindu fascists run Indian government. It was a rather well thought out strategy (a short sighted one though) based on one crucial assumption.

The Indian military and ruling gang of Hindu fascists have always believed in a harsh military response to Pakistan for any major incident in the occupied state of J&K by calling it an act of terrorism and blaming it on Pakistan. Confident of their overwhelming numerical superiority in terms of economy, foreign reserves, military weapon systems, and personnel, Indians believe that Pakistan will not be able to face a sustained Indian military campaign. To set new narrative based on that belief, Modi sent his planes to launch an airborne attack on Balakot in KPK (i.e. in proper Pakistan territory and not the disputed land of pre-1947 state of the J&K). This was a clearly naked aggression contrary to international law and norms. Indians justified their aggression by calling it an attack on terrorists (i.e. non-state actors) who were blamed by Modi government for the killing of 40 or so Indian soldiers in a roadside attack launched by a young Kashmiri suicide bomber. In a typical Indian euphoria, Indians then started claiming to have set a new military/geostrategic norm of hitting Pakistan for any attack launched by the Kashmiri freedom fighters.

This all was apparently done to set a stage for revoking the special status of the occupied state of J&K and, prior to that, pushing Pakistan into defensive or even submissive to Indian aggression. And it seems that all that was being persued with a collusion of some global powers. Had Pakistan not given a bloody-nose response to that Indian aggression the very next day morning, Indians would have resorted to repeated more aggressive acts against Pakistan for every post revocation loss to freedom fighters in the state of J&K. But Pakistanis indeed humiliated Indians when they responded to Indian aggression in the broad daylight, dominated the skies on the occupied state, and shot down at least two Indian fighter planes. Modi resorted to threatening to target several Pak cities with surface to surface missiles but was forced to retract by a counter threat for a devastating Pak response. Indian attempt to set a new norm was thus brutally smashed by Pakistan then and there.

Modi-led Indian fascist government, however, kept moving ahead on their original plan of creating a pure Hindu country by not only revoking the special status of occupied state of J&K but also changing the citizenship-related laws thus effectively declaring all Indian minorities, especially so the Muslims, non-Indian citizens. Fascist Indian Hindu leaders openly claimed in their interviews with foreign media that talking about human rights is valid only among the equals, thus, implying that the members of Indian minorities are not equal to ones belonging to Hindu majority. The civilized world was, for the first time, shocked by seeing the real ugly face of the largest democracy of the world. Pakistanis, however, were not surprised at all. We knew Hindu reality and psyche for centuries.
Modi government's actions (including locking down the whole population of 8 million Kashmiri people) and attempts of changing the demographics in the occupied state made it abundantly clear to the people of occupied J&K of their bleak future. They were already struggling and fighting against illegal Indian occupation, that is continuing in clear violation of UN resolutions about the Kashmir dispute, but this time the deep alienation and hatred towards Indian occupation forces reached to almost 100%. The Kashmiri youth overwhelmingly jumped into the freedom movement. And the new ground realities are manifesting into the frequent gun fights in the occupied land.


In the original Modi's plans, all this was supposed to be tackled by attacking and bleeding Pakistan not only at the LoC but also on our Western border. But Modi's military is already getting a severe beating in the hands of Pak military at the LoC and the Indian terrorist wing (i.e. RAW) is getting devastating blows in the Afghan lands too. Not much choice is left for Modi and his gang of terrorists except a large scale active confrontation with Pakistan in a hope that numerical Indian superiority would bring a face saving solution to Modi’s deep troubles.

However, the situation in the occupied state of J&K seems to be moving towards a stage (as witnessed in late 90's) when freedom fighters would be chasing Indian occupation forces to their barracks, military headquarters, and garrisons. Pakistan needs to actively support the freedom movement to save the endangered humanity in the Indian occupied J&K. We need to make sure that Indian military becomes incapable of mobility in the occupied lands. The tide has already started turning. Fascist Modi does not have many choices. He has entered a deadly hole. Don't let him get out of that stranglehold. The ray of light and hope is finally visible to the oppressed people of occupied J&K at the end of a long and dark tunnel. Just smash the head of this poisonous snake - a war criminal and the enemy of humanity.

Massive disparity of forces will still work against Pakistan in the expected coming confrontation. If Pakistan loses major territory in Kashmir, it is game over for the Kashmiris. It is sad that the Pakistan Army refuses to pump up the size factor. Even with a weak economy, this is possible through limited conscription. Instead, PA is gambling with "quality over quantity" buying new tanks and artillery. However, this gamble is a risky one as this choice has proved faulty in the past, including 1965 and 71.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

artillery

We are not going for towed ones which are required in Kashmir and we get outnumbered 1:3.5

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Massive disparity of forces will still work against Pakistan in the expected coming confrontation. If Pakistan loses major territory in Kashmir, it is game over for the Kashmiris. It is sad that the Pakistan Army refuses to pump up the size factor. Even with a weak economy, this is possible through limited conscription. Instead, PA is gambling with "quality over quantity" buying new tanks and artillery. However, this gamble is a risky one as this choice has proved faulty in the past, including 1965 and 71.

What are you blabbering on about?
..................Pakistan is killing indian soldiers at will on the LOC yet they are too weak and powerless to do anything about it.........that too despite being more than 7× bigger than Pakistan and having the full backing of the West and Russia............