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Behind the CeaseFireLine (CFL) ......

It is expected that in the next major war between Pakistan - India, the IA will cross CFL, penetrate into Gilgit, Skardu and could even reach Chitral.
Even if we loose badly reaching chitral without having local support is really difficult ... there are various mountain ranges which separate AK from gilgit baltistan and then chitral from gilgit baltistan ... armour cannot move through those ranges ...

are they really going to attack pakistan? imean if they attack it will destroy their economy . so why would they take that much risk?
Coz they are mad. The sole purpose of RSS is hindu domination and that cannot be achieved without destruction of Pakistan ... they are willing to go back to stone ages if it means that sub.continent will be for hindus only where brahmin will be kings
 
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I thought we were discussing MLRS deployed on mountain peaks. The issue of reverse slope deployment and trajectory to target that ?

Anyways, i saw the video. That Mi-17 with medic markings reminds me of an incident in FATA narrated by someone where an officer, a JCO and a NCO had lifted a critically wounded soldier and ran some distance (800m i think) towards the heli which had just landed in nick of time to evacuate that wounded soldier. Heli had to land at a considerable distance from their position due to enemy small arms fire. All three ran like anything carrying him, and when they were going to place the wounded soldier on the stretcher in heli....the soldier lost the fight with his life.
Imagine the disappointment.

I also saw pics of PA soldiers using BMP-2s in this exercise Center 2019, do correct me if i am wrong.

Did you also see dismounted troops with armored vehicles, possibly T-72 and BMPs ?
PA mechanized doctrine is not that obsolete :azn:

I did post the video in the context of mountain warfare, could you post the Video with the dismount of PA troops?
 
@Signalian my very dear YoungPak,

After yesterdays development... I fear WinterWar might not be that far off!

CombinedCalculus: the Hybridwar Vector of Religion-for-sale-shope-always-open-for-business ...activated... I do see a Hybridattack.

CFL will get hotter... more PakKashmiris killed... GanguTerroristState would need a massive diversion to lift curfew and start mass deportation of PakKashmiris in IoJK.

Also, please, note that using military call-sign for civilian airliner was quite a clever trap. Luckily our boys were alive to challenge... otherwise, this would have caused us so much....

A superficial anlaysis would provide us a visage into the MarasiMediaDynamics... I guess CriminalEnterprise that owns these media houses will work in tight-step with GanguDaesh ... just have a look at English newspapers of MarasiMedia.

A battlefield is never stand alone event... it is culmination of forces directed into imposing Will through muscle.

NelumValley is the Gateway to so many strategic venues for the enemy
.

The rising intensity of violence in AfghanTheatre needs to be seen in broader context.

Perhaps, a MathmaticalModel could help us into gaing RationalisedInsight into predictablity of overall enemy strategy.

So, far GoP seems to be the weakest link into OurCounterStrategy.

If you analyse, perhaps, it appears that the CounterIntuitiveStrategy that we adopted in the beginning... led by PMIK... did create a momentum... and now it is been countered through FazoolMullahMaffia and MarasiMedia.

A state fights another state.

Given the Fact of Pak fighting a MultidimmensionalHybridwar... I fear more battlegrounds being opened from within. As the cohesion of the GoP in generation of momentum is lacking... glaring really.

@Signalian is it possible that we are looking at IoJK in isolation as bilateral matter... I mean GoP/PakState?

As I have said so many times IoJK is the Capstone holding the wobbly arch together called union of GanguDaesh.

Quite honestly the same applies to us!

FATF and timing of making viral of FazoolMullahArmy and parading of uniformed 'force' and its usage by GanguDaesh delegation against Pakistan... is a repeat of what Billo did when UNSC was deciding... we were saved by the ChineseVeto then! This time again China did us a favour together with Turkiye and Malaysia.

To win on CFL we need to win in Taftan, Chaman, Quetta and of course, former FATF. Fencing needs to go forward... although it has cost us too much blood.

And then there is Beauty in BD.. all curled with absolute majority in that 'elected' parliment. I wonder how long Gustapo of Beauty can keep it up in the air. Gravity is cruel!!!

DGISPR has done splendid job so far.
Also including yesterday.

However, I fear that our CounterIntuitiveStrategy needs to go DoubleCounterIntuitive since GanguDaesh has already countered our counter. You know what I mean.

I do fear WinterWar!

P.S. Fazlu did make a speech of 'qablistan' a few months back. This AzadiMarch is a distraction. Whence improved I shall write about it in Hybridwar thread and of course, tag you!
 
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@Signalian is it possible that we are looking at IoJK in isolation as bilateral matter... I mean GoP/PakState?
Most members feel that PA will be advancing inside IOK very soon after crossing CFL. Maybe they got this impression from tweets of DG ISPR. Retaliation on CFL is happening and will happen but I dont think that crossing CFL and invading IOK what PA plans at the moment. Some members feel that war with India is imminent - Yes, if India escalates the matters through Regular Military incursion (ground-air-sea). Shelling over CFL is routine for both sides -use of MG, sniper, Mortar, ATGM, Artillery, drones etc. Escalation over CFL does not guarantee a full fledged war. Pakistan is not falling into traps of false flag operations.

India wants Pakistan to start a military offensive where as Pakistan is inclined towards a full fledged war if India attacks Pakistan militarily. We can speculate over a new strategy that India can use to get a response from Pakistan to initiate a war, e.g.

1. Spy Games -A Pakistani Military official captured inside India - just like Yadav has been captured inside Pakistan.

2. Historical 9/11 - An incident tenaciously similar to 9/11 occurring inside India which can shake up the whole world and then India feels the backing of whole world, infact forms a coalition with Afghanistan and Iran or other countries (Israel etc) to launch attacks inside Pakistan using Missiles or SF or IAF. This was tried back in 2008 as 26/11 by India, but nothing worthwhile came out of it.

3. The nuclear weaponization of Pakistan issue - Another option could be creating a situation such as detonating a device which has impact/effect/shape/result of a nuclear device inside Pakistan to show and prove that insurgents have got hold of nuclear weapons stolen from Nuclear facilities inside Pakistan - thus running to UN/USA and declaring rogue elements inside Pakistan controlling nuclear weapons and demanding worldwide action.

4. The insurgency advantage of 1971 - I don't see that as an advantage that India holds to start an offensive. In my previous posts in this topic, i mentioned that advantage as insurgents assisted by India operating inside Pakistan just like pre 2015 era of violence. PA COIN efforts have controlled this.

Then there are the usual international isolation techniques, economic crisis, military exercises near borders etc.

You have to speculate what India will do next so that it gets worldwide support to start a war with Pakistan since so far Pakistan is not falling into the trap of a full fledged war ?
 
Usage of ganguz and gangadesh by the user. Please take action.

@Arsalan

@Dubious
Gangu and Gangadesh are legitimate terms used by Pakistanis.

Gangadesh means the country of Ganges, your most holiest river.
Gangu means an inhabitant of the Ganges region, or in this context, Indian. If Gangu should be a banned term, then so should Hindu.
 
My dear Pak,


A very good post!

I wouldn't go as far as saying that MQM malitia is toally done with... still some target killers and terrorist cells are there. Also, within Sindh we do have a Law n Order situation... a headache can emerge there as well.

Regarding, Iranian front yes that is quite concerning... beligerence coming from there is quite consistent... might just open a front with us to divert attention away from ME theatre.... if they remain neutral then that would mount to an alliance with us!

Afghan theatre is becoming hotter and I do suspect that US will go on the offensive ...with counter offensive from Taliban... ANA, remnants of TTP and other malitia would become free to open low intensity front against us. PTM is for now managed...but the way Fazlu is playing he will try to leverage PTM support base... Please, see his narrative is dovetailing PTM's .... oh yeah, and Islam is in danger.

I still consider FazoolMullahMafia to be National Security Threat. PakState has been too tolerant of this lot. SoftState behaviour needs to end on many fronts.

Billo already has raised the infamous SindhuDaesh slogan ... he has been building on it for sometime... if you listen to his speech..there is a redline in it... so we do have Muktiz in different forms... not the same scenario as in EastPakistan... but perhaps more complex.

Balochistan is stable for now... we need to keep an eye on Taftan as well... Gawadar is another key asset to protect .. please, remember the recent PC attack there by BLA who came by boat/sea!

Since, we are not fighting GanguDaesh alone... but forces behind the GanguTerroristRegime who have much larger agenda where GanguTerroristArmy is one of the tools.

In the same regard FATF and IMF need to be considered as WeaponisedFinancialTools as well.

The situation in ME especially after the attack on KSA makes it more dangerous situation for us... our possible financial support base is under attack as well.

GanguNavy is near our waters after oiltanker attacks... Oman is Oman.

The movement of GanguTerroristArmy's IBGs towards our borders...and excercises of the same near the Chinese border is more than posturing... need to be seen as conveying a message to PLA to stay out. Let us see if PLA is impressed by such antics.

Also, we need to take into count the pervailing political wailing and antiState narrative of practically all opposition save JI.
NarcoLeague is directly inciting against the state instituitions and PeePee is doing the same in Sindh... Fazlu is trying to create maximum leverage through threat of choas and anarchy. If a deal is made with him then he will have undue power over the PakState (in Hybridwar section we did touch on this Vector).

Money is already pouring in for Fazlu's Lockdown ... NAB and Judiciary is incapable of delivering... both thoroughly compromised instituitions.

GoP is still in paralysis and hasn't been able to find cohesion within its cabinet ranks yet.

In all our wars with GanguFacistRegime we lost on political front or on negotiating table. And I fear the current political/JumWhoriat is like Muktiz ... so a dangerous Vector.

#MarasiMedia
is sold out and lacks intellectual capacity to shape any PakNationalNarrative ... add to that mismanagement of economy which PTI recieved as dead... is not helping either.

War is supply chain, logistics and firepower... and 5thGen/Hybridwar is no different. We need to fight back on all Vectors of Hybridwar ...simaltaneously!

I do fear that IB will be opened as it will help GanguTerroristArmy to gain more against PakArmedForces who will be spread thin... a concentrated conflict in IoJK/AJK-GB theatre is a bogged down conflict without much outcome.

PAF and Drones are needed in this one!

I am sure PakArmedForces have wargamed many,many scenarios and have developed counter measures. But we need to manage the PolticalChaos as Politicoz will try to maximise it to gain a free-chit from corruption... which again is equal to losing at political front/negotiating table for PakState.

From your post except PTI and Military every one is traitor. That is what we said to the east Pakistanis and it led us to 1971.

A person sitting Netherlands is telling us who is loyal and who is traitor. Stop giving fatwas against others.
 
Even if we loose badly reaching chitral without having local support is really difficult ... there are various mountain ranges which separate AK from gilgit baltistan and then chitral from gilgit baltistan ... armour cannot move through those ranges ...
Northern Alliance in Afghanistan sits near Chitral.
 
whole scenario created by fellow members is nothing but just a absolutely rubbish. Its already decided by Pakistani security establishment than they will never ever bear any more invasion of Pakistani control areas. Even indians knew about it thats why they always talking about surgical strike at maximum.
 
Northern Alliance in Afghanistan sits near Chitral.
Are they capable of invading chitral ? Whats our intelligence reports believe ? Furthermore what are the status of locals ? Will they support them ? As far as i know without local support KPK cannot be invaded
 
You have to speculate what India will do next so that it gets worldwide support to start a war with Pakistan since so far Pakistan is not falling into the trap of a full fledged war ?

It is a CriticalQuestion!

The worldwide is actually limited i.e US+Allies or CounterChinaBlock. Or SCO vs WesternBlock.

Scope of PowerStruggle: GCC/Syria/Yemen to SouthChinaSea and to top it Afghanistan.


Aghans heading to China for inter-Afghan dialogue. After that a round to Moscow... and down the road to Islamabad. (Why do people take so long to do the obvious?)

For sometime now... since Clinton time Indians were actively courted to create a balancing force against China... through each presidency it became more strategic.... so, support for FacistRegime was already there and revocation of 370/35A was done with blessing of the West. Now just lipservice for human rights....

Exit from Afghanistan is happening faster than desired and Indians didn't put boots-on-the-ground as desired. The backdrop of the DoneDeal dying with a Tweet and hurried revocation to pre-empt it is quite intstructive.

However, GanguTerroristArmy cann't contain the wide swell of hate and rejection by the PakKashmiris. So the frustration is growing and the need for diversion...

However, end-game is not just IoJK but GB. OldStrategicPlan of the alliance.

CPEC makes China two ocean power or successfully provides a gateway away from SouthChinaSea. Transporation/shipping from Gawadar is faster/cheaper than Shanghai. Also, an active springboard to protect ChineseInvestments in Africa and ME... both of which are growing.

No other country is strategically so close to China than Pakistan. And, of course, the other way around.

This brings the situation in a flux. Which is exactly it is. QuietExit from Afghanistan has already started, 2000 USTroops already out, as you know.

When OurWesternFlank is safe we shall have our one hand untied. So, the window of opportunity closes for GanguTerroristArmy with that as well. Time is running out for the planners. They need decisive change on the ground..and fast.

But how? The CriticalQuestion you posed....

You, my very dear YoungPak, have provided so many scenarios in your post that adding something more would be an uphill struggle. Neverthelesss....

Both Afghans and PakKashmiris, in their struggle against foreign occupational forces, have given us breathing space.
Although we did pay a very heavy price through both AfghanWars. Need not to go in details... but the fact remains.

By tying down 900k enemy forces in policing and ensuing brutality we have achieved much more than GloriousHotWar which YoungPaks would love to see. Cost-Benefit-Ratio speaks for itself. But Mushy'sWall did us more harm than good.

NDS/RAW are already at their last attempt to create massive unrest/chaos/terror inside Pakistan. And in a way it would suit the US very much. CombodiaReplay.

Should we pervail then we could see an economic stability and growth above 6%. Imagine a decade of above 6% growth. Teenagers become adult in this period.

Hence, the window of opportunity for StrategicGains closes... perhaps forever... or at least for long. This create frustrations in planners of the enemies quarters.

IoJK is the Arch holding the wobbly IndianUnion together...and then there is Sikkim, SouthTibet, Bhutan and of course, SevenSisters ... BD falls in the lap like plump fruit after that.

Stakes are quite high!

Despite the pain of seeing Atroticities/CrimesAgainstHumanity committed by GanguTerroristArmy against PakKashmiris in IoJK.... I do support the current PakStrategy of not falling into EmotoinalTrap and staying coolheaded.

So what can the GanguFacistRegime do?

After our constant flagging of GanguFalseFlag intents... they are on backfoot. They did try to lure PAF in shooting down a civilian airliner with IAF callsign... but we showed wisdom once again.

Now they are back to PlanBs.... and they do have full support of those who are supporting them for more than two decades now. It is given.

I believe that first phase is creating massive chaos/unrest within Pakistan and a series of FalseFlags within GanguDaesh itself to create momentum for FATF is a strong possibility.

With GlogalEconomy already on the verge of recession and Gangunomics showing clear signs of implosion...and an unemployment rate of 45%... social unrest and of course riots... need a diversion as well.

In a nutshell... PakStrategy is to gain StrategicSpace and not get bogged down in an IsolatedConflict. So far so good.

The 'World' has squeezed the lemon of Terrorism/Terrorism as much as it needed to. Lybia out. Syria out. Iraq out. Iran cann't be boxed. EU wants Gas to balance Russia.

Its narrative of IslamicTerrorism has provided all the benefits it was designed to provide. Now it is all about China.

HongKong. HongKong. Hongkong. Democracy. Democracy. Democracy.

China is confronted
with its own Hybridwar after TianamenSquare. And they haven't figured out how to handle it. I guess Sound has Frequency.

A chaotic/unstable Pakistan will delay CPEC once again... which we cann't afford.

So, the short answer to your question of HOW is HybridwarOnPakistan.

In its last attempt to change StartegicEquation GanguFacistRegime&Co will go all out with a series of FalseFlags both in Pakistan and in its own territory... perhaps also in other countries as well...with standard VideoRelaseAcceptance.

The maximum timeframe for such a strategy is SixMonths... after that Pakistan is advancing.

SwanSong... is it by a BlackSwan or a WhiteSwan? I wonder how would it sound if it were composed by Mahler... Puccini is too romantic... almost melodramatic.

A Strong, Stable and Prosperous Pakistan is in China's StrategicInterst
. Whoelse, do you think, likes to see such a Pakistan?

Perservation of the State is the Highest Virtue.
It is the Only Virtue!

I fear WinterWar.

The two biggest embassies in Islamabad are....



@PakSword @Shane @Reddington @Verve @RIWWIR
 
Are they capable of invading chitral ? Whats our intelligence reports believe ? Furthermore what are the status of locals ? Will they support them ? As far as i know without local support KPK cannot be invaded

Except afghan muhajireen and surkhas of anp and ptm, Pakistan has complete support of KPK people. In chiral even surkhas are not a problem. People are overwhelmingly pro Pakistan
 
Are they capable of invading chitral ? Whats our intelligence reports believe ? Furthermore what are the status of locals ? Will they support them ? As far as i know without local support KPK cannot be invaded
secondly most of the northern alliance are native Turks and our brotherly Turkey have great influence upon them, Turkey will never allow them to invade any area of Pakistan.
 
secondly most of the northern alliance are native Turks and our brotherly Turkey have great influence upon them, Turkey will never allow them to invade any area of Pakistan.
I doubt that. These northern alliance scums have no honor and are group of criminal drug lords. They are available to sale to the highest bidder
 
Most members feel that PA will be advancing inside IOK very soon after crossing CFL. Maybe they got this impression from tweets of DG ISPR. Retaliation on CFL is happening and will happen but I dont think that crossing CFL and invading IOK what PA plans at the moment. Some members feel that war with India is imminent - Yes, if India escalates the matters through Regular Military incursion (ground-air-sea). Shelling over CFL is routine for both sides -use of MG, sniper, Mortar, ATGM, Artillery, drones etc. Escalation over CFL does not guarantee a full fledged war. Pakistan is not falling into traps of false flag operations.

India wants Pakistan to start a military offensive where as Pakistan is inclined towards a full fledged war if India attacks Pakistan militarily. We can speculate over a new strategy that India can use to get a response from Pakistan to initiate a war, e.g.

1. Spy Games -A Pakistani Military official captured inside India - just like Yadav has been captured inside Pakistan.

2. Historical 9/11 - An incident tenaciously similar to 9/11 occurring inside India which can shake up the whole world and then India feels the backing of whole world, infact forms a coalition with Afghanistan and Iran or other countries (Israel etc) to launch attacks inside Pakistan using Missiles or SF or IAF. This was tried back in 2008 as 26/11 by India, but nothing worthwhile came out of it.

3. The nuclear weaponization of Pakistan issue - Another option could be creating a situation such as detonating a device which has impact/effect/shape/result of a nuclear device inside Pakistan to show and prove that insurgents have got hold of nuclear weapons stolen from Nuclear facilities inside Pakistan - thus running to UN/USA and declaring rogue elements inside Pakistan controlling nuclear weapons and demanding worldwide action.

4. The insurgency advantage of 1971 - I don't see that as an advantage that India holds to start an offensive. In my previous posts in this topic, i mentioned that advantage as insurgents assisted by India operating inside Pakistan just like pre 2015 era of violence. PA COIN efforts have controlled this.

Then there are the usual international isolation techniques, economic crisis, military exercises near borders etc.

You have to speculate what India will do next so that it gets worldwide support to start a war with Pakistan since so far Pakistan is not falling into the trap of a full fledged war ?
Could you elaborate on how India would be able to advance into GB, I would think that Punjab is a more plausible option, considering India would not be able to keep up an efficient speed or fully utilize combined arms in GB's rough terrain.

secondly most of the northern alliance are native Turks and our brotherly Turkey have great influence upon them, Turkey will never allow them to invade any area of Pakistan.
Northern Alliance were mostly Tajiks and they were dissolved 18 years ago.
 
Are they capable of invading chitral ? Whats our intelligence reports believe ? Furthermore what are the status of locals ? Will they support them ? As far as i know without local support KPK cannot be invaded
PTM is a threat in Pakistan. ANA is the manpower and force in Afghanistan. NA are the local assets while RAW provides intel along with NDS.

The whole structure is ready.
 

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