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We are obviously doing something right, that's why the sense of Pakistaniate is so strong across the land, the oneness is not only alive but has become and becoming stronger.

It is the resonance from The One & Only - other nations who didn't receive and faced what we faced are shattered and gone. This resonance/frequency is what binds us, and the volume of this resonance is on the upwards slope. The Blessed Resonance.
 
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Thank you brother, coming from you, it honestly means a lot.

I'm afraid I am an online forum virgin, all I know is how to reply, I managed to open a couple of threads recently because I really wanted to share a couple of videos, but have no idea how to manage a thread.
Frankly, I am happy with my present level of involvement at this stage, but please feel free to involve me and if I have something to contribute, I will happily do so. Take care.

Mods can manage the thread, all you have to do is report off topic posts (which will most likely be Indians.) Just tag us and we can help keep conversation on track. Mods here are very helpful too.
 
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If moderation can give people like him, @Verve , and you titles, then we can get to work on promoting Pakistanism in a renewed vigour, without interruptions or derailment.

Yaar, I am not qualified for any of it - my speciality is merely one of analysis and problem solving. You guys have far more energy and I strongly believe that this is something you guys should take charge of, if/when it comes to fruition. I love reading and absorbing such positive discussions.

@Verve is our point person and the Right Pak for the job... should such a sub-forum ever come to pass...

I've done what I could - now it's officially with the powers that be on PDF to decide.
 
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Let us try to disect/deconstruct.. in detached, dispassionate manner... freezing all our biases..

Statecraft.

PakStatecraft is finding its feet after a long coma... so the wobbles are to be expected.

Now...the matter at hand as you correctly framed it... let us Contextualise this!

Deconstructing OIC:

ArabLeague's Oil Embargo made long lines for gasoline in the CombinedWest led by the US...with clear economic consequences... King Faisal got assasinated... the rest is History.

Hence, it was imparative for the US led CombinedWest to NEVER allow any actions by the Core Oil Producers to EVER use Oil as Weapon...

The OIC was/is a US PolicyInstruement to allow the so-called IslamicWorld to vent its Frustrations and be resinged to its Impotence.

As brought to attention of Paks before...once again... the US was the Force behind hiring and positioning the good Indians in the GCC... thus keeping the ImpericalGeoConstruct aka India afloat..

This was the same PolicyInstruement which has been allotting generous Visas to the good Indians in the US...

When the KosherAfghanJihad ended ... we all know what happened after that.

The OIC becoming more of free-lunch-shop than a talk-shop was a natural development.

The ones who gives Free-Lunch also demands something in return.

Therefore, we cann't allow ourselves being surprised or disappointed by the OIC... it would only result in disappoinment and more...
Since, the foundation of any expectation from OIC would be based on pure Emotion than the Ground-Reality!

The Net Comprehensive Strength of OIC is such that it will never be allowed to function as UnifiedPlatform... because that would upset the Overal Global Power Architecture and the Long Term Plans.

Great/SuperPowers ONLY work for their own interests and their own interests alone... rest is just CannonFodder or PolicyInstruements.

The US has been trying to get the good Indians into all types of Fora to enhance its position for sometime now... from NSG to OIC!

When last time the OIC invited Indian FM Pakistan took a firm stand... simply, because we had NO other Choice left...

Indian incorporation into OIC will solve many strategic headaches for not only India but also for the US.

With growing Sino-US ColdWar 3.0 dynamics .. the US needs to prop up India not only militarily but also diplomatically and economically.

Therefore, we do see a DirectedEffort to invest in India by the GCC... the force behind it is not only possible RoI for the GCC Investments but larger US Strategic Calculus.

India dumping Iran and joining the GCC on strategic level is also a US Construct...

Please, do see that PetroDollar Recycling and FinancialCapitalism are mutually dependent... incorporation of India into the exisiting Financial Architecture is of Vital Importance to the US.

Please, do note that it was the US and India who votted against SDR while the Sino-Rus Axis were pushing for SDR dominance.

Seeing OIC anything other than a PetroDollar Component/PolicyInstruement will cause Strategic Blindness.

As long as OIC Core stays committed to the Agreed DollarSystem... red carpets.. otherwise... well we do know already!

Now this Sino-Iranian Deal is not new ..this has been in the offing long before Pres. Xi visited Tehran and expressed it.

Pakistan is a labour exporter to the OIC Core and due to Our Own Economic Mismanagement and extremely poor Statecraft of past two decades... well... Begger's Bowl... Free-Lunches come at a price.

EconomicTerrorism in Pakistan, MoneyLaundering and then the Investments by the EconomicTerrorists ... made our situation worse!

Can we Blame others?


Regardless, OIC is what it is. And That is That!

We can jump high and low... based on Expectations or Common ReligeousEthos won't make a dent to the PolicyInstruement that OIC is... and in its current form the OIC shall continue to serve this purpose.

This is the very SimpleReason that there is NO meeting by the OIC for the plight of PakKashmiris in IoJK or Collective Condemnation of the IndianFacistRegime.

Sooner we accept these FACTS the better!

OIC is a US Construct and shall remain so.

The growing Disconnect between Turkiye and GCC and IranianDynamics... is essentially making OIC making more deader than dead for any Collective Action. It shall only grow further...with Tukiye n Egypt squaring off!

Another OIC in the Making:

The Sino-American Last Tango is accelerating faster than expected...at least by the BemusedObserver.

This Acceleration has deep implications for the so-called IslamicWorld ...including the Core of OIC!

ASEAN including China is the EconomicGrowthEngine for the GlobalEconomy.

And if we add EmergingMarkets of Pakistan and Turkiye then the depth and dimensions of the GrowthPotential changes.

ASEAN is so deeply integerated with the ChineseEconomy that pricing it away is now not possible for the US led Quad.

EU desperately needs this GrowthEngine to come out of Deep Deflation.

Now this KL Conference was a Chinese attempt to Construct another OIC Core for its own GeoStrategic Goals... the Sino-IranianDeal needs to be seen through broader lens than just narrow ones.

SCO has already incorporated the CentralAsian 'Muslim' countries into the Sino-Russian Framework and they shall remain there. Further incorparation of Iran and Tukiye and later on ASEAN will grow.

With Sino-Russian trade increasingly settled in their national valuta is indictive of this Acceleration...which at this stage is nuanced and calculated..NOT Reactive.

Eurasia combined with ASEAN is both the Consumer and Producer of Oil/Gas/Uranium.

IF the Sino-Rus Axis succeeds in turning this into Consolidated EconomicShpere with Yuan/DigitalYuan as Trading Vechile then the effects will be not mere Historic but Paradigm Shattering.

Smack in the Middle is Pakistan
... Young in population and blessed with PivotalPosition in the Eurasian Landmass...

The recent PakState PolicyPositions made public by the esteem and colourful SMQ or the repayment of loans earlier than required with the Help of China ... this tells us the direction of the Flow!

Russia's increasing muslim population or expanding StrategicFootprint in ME and NorthAfrica or the recent OilWar between KSA and Russia..

Or Russo-Turk rivalary in NorthAfrica/Syria... the Game for Oil/Gas resources and then 2023 is now almost here...

The Chinese investments in 'Islamic' countries and the need for BRI to go into a higher gear along with DigitalBRI ...

When we actually look at the EurasianMap then we can see with Clarity that a New OIC with a New Core is extremely valued by both Russia and China as it neatly binds the SCO, EurasianEconomicBlock and Decoupling with $.

Mr. Putin's defence of Islam of on regular basis is, once again, indictive of the an emerging and supported New Core of the New OIC.

Now that the IndianState has officially joined the AntiChina Quad and Galwan is active... India will be forced further to embrace the US... and in return the US PolicyInstruement old OIC will continue to shield India from MuslimAnguish for its CrimesAgainstHumanity in IoJK or increasing brutalities against the Muslims of MaqboozaHindustan.

BD and SL already embeded with BRI and BD showing signs of taking a positive view of Sino-Pak Axis!
Thus BD, with its large muslims population, shall be courted further to join the New OIC.


The above Deconstruction might appear ColdHearted but then the world we have been living in has been nothing else!

PakStatecraft's Choices and Consquences:

Pakistan has been Tounge Living Among Teeth for past 73yrs... with mixed bag of results... We can lament or wail all we want, it is what it is... and we have to Deal with it!

Pakistan's Choices:

  • IMF
  • FATF
  • DebtServicing
  • IPPs
  • KhooniVirus
  • Rent-a-KhooniLiberal
  • Rent-a-MullhaMaffia
  • MarasiMedia
  • EconomicTerrorist still at large
  • Colonial System of Governance
  • FBR a liability
  • Permanent Headache of Kabulistan
  • IndianTerrorism in Pakistan
  • Political-Instability
  • Economic Recession and Inflation

The above is the Shardes which are piercing us and walk we must on these nails...

All of this is the ConfiningLandscape in which Pakistan is to make StrategicChoices:

  • Pakistan has made the StrategicChoice of BRI i.e CPEC
  • Pakistan has made ForeignPolicy choice of aligning with PRC and dovetail PakEconomicDiplomacy including focus on Africa
  • RetaliationDoctorine towards Kabulistan and India
  • NoMoreWars for someone else
  • Re-engaging BD and SL
  • More focus on ASEAN for trade and investments in Pakistan's SEZs
  • High profile and consisten exposing of HindutvaFacism
  • Taking a coordinating approach towards IoJK resultion with China
  • SMQ giving last chance to Old OIC to act Now or Loose Pakistan Forever
  • PakMilitaryDiplomacy to try to act as a bridge between Iran and KSA
  • Facilitating AmericanExit from Kabulistan
  • Accepting that Regional Powers i.e Russia, China and Iran are stakeholders in AfghanPeace
  • Treating GCC and Turkiye as equal partners
  • Ruling out any engagement with India which is for show and not concrete results
  • Keeping the Voice of PakKashmiris alive...regardless, whether its enough or not
  • Using Yuan as payment vehicle with the Chinese firms
  • Standing with China on HK, Ladakh and SouthChinaSea
  • Engaging Russia in the context of Eurasia and not through Indian angle
  • Building Dams with the Chinese Investments
  • Offering CPEC infrastructure to all CARs
  • Accelerating oil/gas exploration within Pakistan
  • Slowly moving into CPEC Phase2

Consequences for Pakistan:

  • FATF sword will hang for a while
  • IMF will do IMF on Pakistan
  • EconomicTerrorists will continue to invest in unstability within Pakistan
  • IndianTerrorism will become more focused on CPEC/China-in-Pakistan
  • GCC will extert all the pressure possible for Pakistan to comply with their strategic objectives
  • Pakistanis might be deported from GCC (this will be the extreme measure but cann't be ruled out)
  • Pakistan's Ultimatum to OIC will not result in anything Condusive to Eleviate Plight of PakKashmiris in IoJK
  • Pakistan can see the Oil Facility withdrawn if Pakistan continues with Policy outlined by SMQ
  • The GCC $$ in SBP could be withdrawn
  • The possible Investments in Pakistan from GCC could be withdrawn
  • Should Pakistan invite OIC FMs on its own... only a few will turn up
  • When Pakistan Officially becomes the Core of the New OIC the relationships with GCC will take a deep hit
  • The US will keep Pakistan under pressure through all of its PolicyInstruements to give India a breathing space as Frontline state against China
  • To keep a Balanced and Equal level relationship with Iran and GCC or Turkiye and GCC will be a Monumental Task for PakDiplomacy
  • Price of Not abandoning CPEC or Sino-Pak Axis will have trade and diplomatic consequences from the US led CombinedWest in the short term

In short to become Pakistan, Pakistan shall have to pay dear price... accute pain in the short term.. more Independence in the Long Term!

All of this depends if Pakistan can put its house in Order... from Economy to Judiciary to Governance to Education to Rapid Industrialisation...

Every Choice exacts an Equal Price!

It is The Momentum of History in Acceleration ... ThirdActorDynamics in Greater ME from Med to Gulf to SouthChinaSea ... nothing exists on its own in Geopolitics!


Mangus
 
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In order to understand Indianness; we need to study the set of events, the narratives and their implementation indians conducted since their inception. There is an ideological basis however, this was coupled with factors of fear, complexities of our neighbor. Their conduct is mere reflection of their society and what they are doomed to be...



Now to the questions you rightly posed...

Indian mind needs to be studied under the pre-context of those complexities and what's driving their ideology and eventual goal.

Pakistanis don't understand Indianess as it is; sometimes taking things at face value. There need to be a dissection of narrative, a study of how they've been operating in global and domestic stage so far. And only then we can see where are they heading.

IMO, Pakistanis can counter only after we discuss the end game of Indians.... hook or by crook, indians are trying to inch towards it. And in order to achieve this wet dream they've been using tactics of secularism, yoga, ram ram, om shanti om... or history and cultural robbing... taj mahal, budhism, Sansikrit, IVC, Ram.. fake bravado, fake narrative... a mere hogwash. To create relevance, to look relevant when in reality bare naked.

But the question to be asked is what is the end game... being superpower? or is it just a good sell in ganga land. Do indian intellectuals know that it's not happening.... which i believe they do.. so then why all this effort? what's gonna come out of it? And if it's just a narrative then what's it they want to achieve with it? To eventually scapegoat others, be the victims! It's imperative to realize that by looking at historical context and fabric of indian society, current structure and rise of extremism, the narrative behind it.

It's about survival... an artificial construct can't stay intact if such narratives are not peddled.

Let other members chip in and we expand on it further.
I don't want to go in great detail, but in simple words, We never understand the Indian mindset for 72 years. If we need to understand Indian, then we must look and deeply observe what West's mood is about us, and we see this expected response from Indian.
 
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In order to understand Indianness; we need to study the set of events, the narratives and their implementation indians conducted since their inception. There is an ideological basis however, this was coupled with factors of fear, complexities of our neighbor. Their conduct is mere reflection of their society and what they are doomed to be...



Now to the questions you rightly posed...

Indian mind needs to be studied under the pre-context of those complexities and what's driving their ideology and eventual goal.

Pakistanis don't understand Indianess as it is; sometimes taking things at face value. There need to be a dissection of narrative, a study of how they've been operating in global and domestic stage so far. And only then we can see where are they heading.

IMO, Pakistanis can counter only after we discuss the end game of Indians.... hook or by crook, indians are trying to inch towards it. And in order to achieve this wet dream they've been using tactics of secularism, yoga, ram ram, om shanti om... or history and cultural robbing... taj mahal, budhism, Sansikrit, IVC, Ram.. fake bravado, fake narrative... a mere hogwash. To create relevance, to look relevant when in reality bare naked.

But the question to be asked is what is the end game... being superpower? or is it just a good sell in ganga land. Do indian intellectuals know that it's not happening.... which i believe they do.. so then why all this effort? what's gonna come out of it? And if it's just a narrative then what's it they want to achieve with it? To eventually scapegoat others, be the victims! It's imperative to realize that by looking at historical context and fabric of indian society, current structure and rise of extremism, the narrative behind it.

It's about survival... an artificial construct can't stay intact if such narratives are not peddled.

Let other members chip in and we expand on it further.
India, mere name satiates the wild imaginations of a western mind. Exotic cultures and alternate spirituality and western travelers imploring their fellows to see the misery of life and fetishize the inhabitants... Indian the obedient slave and mercenary living in multitudes of bondages, by birth, by livelihood/occupation, by wealth, by color, by god(s), by food, by desire, by myths, delusions and superstitions, a people that canbe harnessed.
No wonder they're intelligent and conniving but in the right hands they do it for you... during Muslim rule they became avid patriots and courtiers, against their very fellow Indians, no? Who is to say to this very day!
So, to say their end game is what has been fed to them or rather their interlocutors and methodically punctuated to them to create, what wasn't, a hindu niche, to a bemused western eye, to keep the myth and exotic thingy going.
 
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@OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ @StormBreaker @Ace of Spades @masterchief_mirza @Musings @LeGenD @Arsalan @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @peagle @Mentee @N.Siddiqui @The Eagle @ps3linux @HRK @Blacklight @Verve


Now that we have seen The ThirdActor Dynamics unfolding around The Heartland Pakistan, emotions are high, reactive pitch. Totally understandable.

This is how EmotionalAlogrithms run.

With the Sino-Iranian Deal things were going to differentiate further ... it is a Catalyst.

Ambiguities, nuances or subtleties now have less Operational space... It is a global trend resulting from the Acceleration in The Momentum of History.

GCC-Pak Relations have entred a rather testing phase with deep, long term implications if not handled with utmost Care and Forethought by Both Sides!

PakPositivism cann't be Reactionary!!!

As the GlobalStruggle for TechnoFeudalHierachy and FinancialArchitecture becomes Existential for the Existing World Architecture and the Axis which is Challenging it.. consequences for those states that are Lower in these Hierachies is a natuarl outcome.

CounterIntuitive approach/thinking is Key for Pakistan to Manage the pervailing and emerging Challenges... i.e. other types of Emotional Alogrithms are needed.

Myriad of self-inflicted wounds and myriad more as result of being Pakistan inflicted from without.. compounds the situation in which we need to find not only Our True North but also Guid the Ship of PakState in Troubled Waters.

So, easy to be Reactionary... Difficult to be Actionary!

PakPositivism demands that we remain Rational, Consistent and United.

Ittihad. Iman. Tanzeem.

We can blame and blame.... but now we HAVE to Deal with Challenges Confronting us.

The New Decade .. the New 30s... is a Transformative Decade for the World and of course, Our Place in it.

Either we can Loose an other Decade OR we can Shape the Decade from PakPositivism Mechanism.

Without DayDreaming or Pessimism .... we have NO choice but to Deal with current Challenges and be prepared for the NewDecaded of New 30s...

For so many reasons... we are in Pre-1947 stage!

From Mediterranean to Gulf to AfroPak/AfroAsianOcean
and all the lands touching these waters shall find Pakistan confronted with Strategic Choices and whatever we decide will determine what kind of Pakistan we become by the end of the New 30s!

Without PakPositive Bias ... one can say with certainty that Pakistan is a Factor in the ThridActorDynamics and Eurasian GreatGame!

PakistanZindabad!!!

Mangus

PaaJee @SIPRA O yaar, dildar... please, come back!
 
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India, mere name satiates the wild imaginations of a western mind. Exotic cultures and alternate spirituality and western travelers imploring their fellows to see the misery of life and fetishize the inhabitants... Indian the obedient slave and mercenary living in multitudes of bondages, by birth, by livelihood/occupation, by wealth, by color, by god(s), by food, by desire, by myths, delusions and superstitions, a people that canbe harnessed.
No wonder they're intelligent and conniving but in the right hands they do it for you... during Muslim rule they became avid patriots and courtiers, against their very fellow Indians, no? Who is to say to this very day!
So, to say their end game is what has been fed to them or rather their interlocutors and methodically punctuated to them to create, what wasn't, a hindu niche, to a bemused western eye, to keep the myth and exotic thingy going.




indians are cunning and conniving but not intelligent. In fact their average racial IQ is even lower than that of Pakistan and Afghanistan:

https://new-iq-test.com/iq-by-country/
 
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indians are cunning and conniving but not intelligent. In fact their average racial IQ is even lower than that of Pakistan and Afghanistan:

https://new-iq-test.com/iq-by-country/

I did an IQ test many many years ago, can't remember exactly but I think it was either 127 or 132, I always felt bad because I thought I could have done better, looking at those scores, I feel a lot better now, lol. Thanks.
 
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I did an IQ test many many years ago, can't remember exactly but I think it was either 127 or 132, I always felt bad because I thought I could have done better, looking at those scores, I feel a lot better now, lol. Thanks.



You are more intelligent than you think. Well done for your high IQ. You are in the top 10%.
 
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@OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ @StormBreaker @Ace of Spades @masterchief_mirza @Musings @LeGenD @Arsalan @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @peagle @Mentee @N.Siddiqui @The Eagle @ps3linux @HRK @Blacklight @Verve


Now that we have seen The ThirdActor Dynamics unfolding around The Heartland Pakistan, emotions are high, reactive pitch. Totally understandable.

This is how EmotionalAlogrithms run.

With the Sino-Iranian Deal things were going to differentiate further ... it is a Catalyst.

Ambiguities, nuances or subtleties now have less Operational space... It is a global trend resulting from the Acceleration in The Momentum of History.

GCC-Pak Relations have entred a rather testing phase with deep, long term implications if not handled with utmost Care and Forethought by Both Sides!

PakPositivism cann't be Reactionary!!!

As the GlobalStruggle for TechnoFeudalHierachy and FinancialArchitecture becomes Existential for the Existing World Architecture and the Axis which is Challenging it.. consequences for those states that are Lower in these Hierachies is a natuarl outcome.

CounterIntuitive approach/thinking is Key for Pakistan to Manage the pervailing and emerging Challenges... i.e. other types of Emotional Alogrithms are needed.

Myriad of self-inflicted wounds and myriad more as result of being Pakistan inflicted from without.. compounds the situation in which we need to find not only Our True North but also Guid the Ship of PakState in Troubled Waters.

So, easy to be Reactionary... Difficult to be Actionary!

PakPositivism demands that we remain Rational, Consistent and United.

Ittihad. Iman. Tanzeem.

We can blame and blame.... but now we HAVE to Deal with Challenges Confronting us.

The New Decade .. the New 30s... is a Transformative Decade for the World and of course, Our Place in it.

Either we can Loose an other Decade OR we can Shape the Decade from PakPositivism Mechanism.

Without DayDreaming or Pessimism .... we have NO choice but to Deal with current Challenges and be prepared for the NewDecaded of New 30s...

For so many reasons... we are in Pre-1947 stage!

From Mediterranean to Gulf to AfroPak/AfroAsianOcean
and all the lands touching these waters shall find Pakistan confronted with Strategic Choices and whatever we decide will determine what kind of Pakistan we become by the end of the New 30s!

Without PakPositive Bias ... one can say with certainty that Pakistan is a Factor in the ThridActorDynamics and Eurasian GreatGame!

PakistanZindabad!!!

Mangus

PaaJee @SIPRA O yaar, dildar... please, come back!
The way I see it, Pak-KSA ties are going to take a deep dive, before they come back again.
 
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