PakPositivism: How to manage Discourse for PakPosters on PDF!!!

[Ace of Spades]

The way I see it, Pak-KSA ties are going to take a deep dive, before they come back again.

This time it's different. It's not about Pak- Saudia anymore. It's not bilateral tussle, neither a regional tussle. One superpower is being taken over by another one, the rest are pawns. Including Pakistan; to put it extremely simple. So to say that Pak-Saudi ties will come back (all brotherly) means either Pakistan or either saudia will change camps and give up on their interests. And i don't see that happening, it's existential problem for both...

It's gonna be a very bumpy ride for Pakistan and Pakistan needs to play her cards very smartly.

Only only peaceful way out i see is if, US-China cut out a deal. Something win-win for both...

 

[Ace of Spades]

@OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ @StormBreaker @Ace of Spades @masterchief_mirza @Musings @LeGenD @Arsalan @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @peagle @Mentee @N.Siddiqui @The Eagle @ps3linux @HRK @Blacklight @Verve


Now that we have seen The ThirdActor Dynamics unfolding around The Heartland Pakistan, emotions are high, reactive pitch. Totally understandable.

This is how EmotionalAlogrithms run.

With the Sino-Iranian Deal things were going to differentiate further ... it is a Catalyst.

Ambiguities, nuances or subtleties now have less Operational space... It is a global trend resulting from the Acceleration in The Momentum of History.

GCC-Pak Relations have entred a rather testing phase with deep, long term implications if not handled with utmost Care and Forethought by Both Sides!

PakPositivism cann't be Reactionary!!!

As the GlobalStruggle for TechnoFeudalHierachy and FinancialArchitecture becomes Existential for the Existing World Architecture and the Axis which is Challenging it.. consequences for those states that are Lower in these Hierachies is a natuarl outcome.

CounterIntuitive approach/thinking is Key for Pakistan to Manage the pervailing and emerging Challenges... i.e. other types of Emotional Alogrithms are needed.

Myriad of self-inflicted wounds and myriad more as result of being Pakistan inflicted from without.. compounds the situation in which we need to find not only Our True North but also Guid the Ship of PakState in Troubled Waters.

So, easy to be Reactionary... Difficult to be Actionary!

PakPositivism demands that we remain Rational, Consistent and United.

Ittihad. Iman. Tanzeem.

We can blame and blame.... but now we HAVE to Deal with Challenges Confronting us.

The New Decade .. the New 30s... is a Transformative Decade for the World and of course, Our Place in it.

Either we can Loose an other Decade OR we can Shape the Decade from PakPositivism Mechanism.

Without DayDreaming or Pessimism .... we have NO choice but to Deal with current Challenges and be prepared for the NewDecaded of New 30s...

For so many reasons... we are in Pre-1947 stage!

From Mediterranean to Gulf to AfroPak/AfroAsianOcean and all the lands touching these waters shall find Pakistan confronted with Strategic Choices and whatever we decide will determine what kind of Pakistan we become by the end of the New 30s!

Without PakPositive Bias ... one can say with certainty that Pakistan is a Factor in the ThridActorDynamics and Eurasian GreatGame!

PakistanZindabad!!!

Mangus

PaaJee @SIPRA O yaar, dildar... please, come back!

It's ayub khan, zia ul haq time all over again. At that time it was soviet camp vs US camp. Regardless of our positioning at that time, we are what we are today because of our policies of that time. This time it's gonna be same story but stakes are higher.... much higher. Whatever Pakistan does today will have it's consequences for next few generations.

 

[21st Century Vampire]

@Mangus Ortus Novem I wonder why the old cow kept trollling that the whole initiative was simply about using facts when you already made clear literally (and between the lines) that it's withal about adopting a better attitude and diction (which really is needed), creeping senility i presume.

You initiative has many layers to it with excellent conceptions but it shouldn't be restricted to PDF, i suggest you join discord as well where there are many youngsters who need this kind of guidance, they're more prone to listen and implement plus of course your posts are always a pleasure to read so imagine the impact on young Pakistanis

I did an IQ test many many years ago, can't remember exactly but I think it was either 127 or 132, I always felt bad because I thought I could have done better, looking at those scores, I feel a lot better now, lol. Thanks.

lol coincidence my dad got around the same some years ago, 130 or 131 i think , i got way less than him, 122 to be precise but i assume my sister has the same or higher than my dad coz she's always been highly excellent academically compared to me. Basically i'm jealous of you

The management beg to differ... there are few holy cows that ridicule some young posters, and when they react i see them getting punished with no consequence to the holy cows from across the border.

I am coming to conclusion that it's pointless...

True...only a few mods are good and good ones thanks to our bad luck are the busiest ones irl

The holy cows you're alluding to are professional victims, one of the pampered indian secularists has a history of inculpating @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan of being a Talib and cheering when one of his islamophobic (i hate utilizing the suffix but whatever) friends was calling him a jihadi (i reported btw), he also mendaciously accused him of all sorts of stuff recently pertaining to his ideology and somehow no sanctional measures were taken. Should've seen him acting like a victim some days ago, the usual opium of the white knights

The only solution to the problem you're referring to is lobbying and voting when the right time comes, the best candidate i can think of is @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan, he's no potential nepotist nor the type of guy to get swayed by saccharine words plus he thoroughly understands the social dynamics of the forum and of course he's despised by both sanghis and indian liberals as well as the sycophants, only me and @PAKISTANFOREVER agreed on this back then hopefully you (and the other Pakistanis on the thread) join the club, our brother @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan is too humble to concur to the idea but i'm sure he's open to it... we need better mods don't we

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

The holy cows you're alluding to are professional victims, one of the pampered indian secularists has a history of inculpating @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan of being a Talib and cheering when one of his islamophobic (i hate utilizing the suffix but whatever) friends was calling him a jihadi (i reported btw), he also mendaciously accused him of all sorts of stuff recently pertaining to his ideology and somehow no sanctional measures were taken. Should've seen him acting like a victim some days ago, the usual opium of the white knights

Thanks brother for putting this issue out there. I keep getting accused of this, even though I have mentioned many times that I am not a member of that government. I am a patriotic Pakistani, my first loyalty is to Pakistan.

Mods have dealt with my issues in these regards and promptly shut down these attempts of creating a lynch mob against me on this forum by the rogue TTA, the member you mentioned, and the Tamil.

I am satisfied with the moderation, but yes I agree that more action needs to be taken against those members who post blasphemous content, racial characterizations to divide Pakistanis/Muslims, or try to ridicule the Muslim identity of Pakistanis on a regular bases.

I have spoken to Mods about this and they have assured their cooperation.

The only solution to the problem you're referring to is lobbying and voting when the right time comes, the best candidate i can think of is @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan, he's no potential nepotist nor the type of guy to get swayed by saccharine words plus he thoroughly understands the social dynamics of the forum and of course he's despised by both sanghis and indian liberals as well as the sycophants, only me and @PAKISTANFOREVER agreed on this back then hopefully you (and the other Pakistanis on the thread) join the club, our brother @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan is too humble to concur to the idea but i'm sure he's open to it... we need better mods don't we

Thank you brother. You embarrass me.

May Allah swt protect me from my nafs if I think of myself higher than I am. Auzubillah.

Brother Mangus and I have pushed for a new subforum on Pakistani identity, mindset, history, and future which will be off-limits to Non-Pakistani trolling. We have both agreed that @Verve should head that endeavor. Mods are discussing it now.

I am also in support of @Mangus Ortus Novem to be given a title, he deserves it due to the excellent analysis which he brings on this forum.

It is always a pleasure to read it.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

Thanks brother for putting this issue out there. I keep getting accused of this, even though I have mentioned many times that I am not a member of that government. I am a patriotic Pakistani, my first loyalty is to Pakistan.

Mods have dealt with my issues in these regards and promptly shut down these attempts of creating a lynch mob against me on this forum by the rogue TTA, the member you mentioned, and the Tamil.

I am satisfied with the moderation, but yes I agree that more action needs to be taken against those members who post blasphemous content, racial characterizations to divide Pakistanis/Muslims, or try to ridicule the Muslim identity of Pakistanis on a regular bases.

I have spoken to Mods about this and they have assured their cooperation.



Thank you brother. You embarrass me.

May Allah swt protect me from my nafs if I think of myself higher than I am. Auzubillah.

Brother Mangus and I have pushed for a new subforum on Pakistani identity, mindset, history, and future which will be off-limits to Non-Pakistani trolling. We have both agreed that @Verve should head that endeavor. Mods are discussing it now.

I am also in support of @Mangus Ortus Novem to be given a title, he deserves it due to the excellent analysis which he brings on this forum.

It is always a pleasure to read it.

Oye yaar merwain ga?

We all are TitleHolders: Paks!

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

@PAKISTANFOREVER @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @Musings

Yes, brothers, we cann't ignore the reality of the neighbour to the east. or West for that matter.

However, what says you, that we keep any discussion on their behaviour or national pschy out of this thread?

In a way, we, Paks, must make ourselves a benchmark with The Idea of Pakistan... and see in the Mirror our flaws, our strengths.

PakPositivism is rooted in Pakistanism... both last 1000+yrs and before that a few Millennia!

We must learn to Define Ourselves without reference to others... We Exist On Our Own!

However, miserable Existence that might be... but we need to learn to Accept it before we can Operationalise it through Actions.

Regarding the good Indians... other threads could be made to analyse, rationalise the fundamental nature of the good Indians.

In this thread we can allow ourselves to discuss IndianState and its Policies to better understand their EndGame and Counter it.

Just a thought... hopefully, you wouldn't be offended.

Focus is the engine of PakPositivism.

Nationalism is Cancer...since, it needs to be better than others... be it racial or state level.

The Idea of Pakistan is embeded with Universal Humanism which is, in fact, the Continuation of Our FirstState...

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

@Mangus Ortus Novem all we have to do is to connect the dots...

One senses a bit of score settling by pro- and anti KSA/GCC posting factions.

Obviously, we must take Only PakView ... filtering it through PakNational Interests.

Decades of conditioning has created a fitna of Secterianism... and we have paid in PakBlood ... from small PakChildren to PakElderly....

Now the question of Connecting the Dots...

We have already known that there shall be enormus pressure on Pakistan from the US led CombinedWest in the Emerging Dynamics in OurRegion.

Since, the time we, PakState, has said: NoMore .... different PolicyInstruements are being applied to keep PakState inline or harshly put... on the leash!

Perhaps, it would be incorrect to see the current 'confusion/tensions' through bilateral lens.

The pressure on Pakistan is coming from the US... and that is that!

UAE has signed StrategicPetro/Gas Deal with the Chinese Giants... Upstream, Midstream and Downstream.

UAE Oil Holding had difficulty raising $3Bln quite recently... enter The Dragon... on the conservative side China will be investing $45Bln in the UAE/Abu Dhabi Oil Holding as Strategic Partner.... also for Off-Shore.

Now just for fun... we didn't find any resources in Kekra drilling... and the manner of ubrupt ending was rather amusing...

Dots, dots, dots.... proxies, proxies, proxies...

Pakistan even today with shattered-economy remains a Potent Factor in the ThirdActorDynamics ... on its own... and given Sino-Pak Strategic Interests Alignment... the Potency only increases.

We must manage the Pak-GCC Relations with Forethough, Daftness and Efficiency.

PakMilitaryDiplomacy has kicked in.

Pakistan is a GeoPivot of Eurasian Integeration into the ChineseEconomy... and this role will only grow... to get benefits from such a position we need PakPositiveProfessionals... and not products of Khottacracy!

The BemusedObserver stays still, Observing!

 

[Musings]

@PAKISTANFOREVER @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @Musings

Yes, brothers, we cann't ignore the reality of the neighbour to the east. or West for that matter.

However, what says you, that we keep any discussion on their behaviour or national pschy out of this thread?

In a way, we, Paks, must make ourselves a benchmark with The Idea of Pakistan... and see in the Mirror our flaws, our strengths.

PakPositivism is rooted in Pakistanism... both last 1000+yrs and before that a few Millennia!

We must learn to Define Ourselves without reference to others... We Exist On Our Own!

However, miserable Existence that might be... but we need to learn to Accept it before we can Operationalise it through Actions.

Regarding the good Indians... other threads could be made to analyse, rationalise the fundamental nature of the good Indians.

In this thread we can allow ourselves to discuss IndianState and its Policies to better understand their EndGame and Counter it.

Just a thought... hopefully, you wouldn't be offended.

Focus is the engine of PakPositivism.

Nationalism is Cancer...since, it needs to be better than others... be it racial or state level.

The Idea of Pakistan is embeded with Universal Humanism which is, in fact, the Continuation of Our FirstState...

Another excellent analysis sir - thanks for the interjection.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

@PAKISTANFOREVER @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @Musings

Yes, brothers, we cann't ignore the reality of the neighbour to the east. or West for that matter.

However, what says you, that we keep any discussion on their behaviour or national pschy out of this thread?

In a way, we, Paks, must make ourselves a benchmark with The Idea of Pakistan... and see in the Mirror our flaws, our strengths.

PakPositivism is rooted in Pakistanism... both last 1000+yrs and before that a few Millennia!

We must learn to Define Ourselves without reference to others... We Exist On Our Own!

However, miserable Existence that might be... but we need to learn to Accept it before we can Operationalise it through Actions.

Regarding the good Indians... other threads could be made to analyse, rationalise the fundamental nature of the good Indians.

In this thread we can allow ourselves to discuss IndianState and its Policies to better understand their EndGame and Counter it.

Just a thought... hopefully, you wouldn't be offended.

Focus is the engine of PakPositivism.

Nationalism is Cancer...since, it needs to be better than others... be it racial or state level.

The Idea of Pakistan is embeded with Universal Humanism which is, in fact, the Continuation of Our FirstState...

Agreed. Rather than being reactionary, I think we should concentrate on the positives of PakPositivism and how best to promote it. I must admit, I sometimes also get sidetracked in countering what our enemies say about us and the propaganda they try to spread.

 

[Musings]

Agreed. Rather than being reactionary, I think we should concentrate on the positives of PakPositivism and how best to promote it. I must admit, I sometimes also get sidetracked in countering what our enemies say about us and the propaganda they try to spread.

I have the same tendency.

Sometimes taking a back step and try to promote how many positive things we have in the nation that should always be promoted. Our new felt direction - our raw materials - our desire to succeed but above all resilience. To survive with a hostile neighbor 7 times our size and keep them on their toes is enough to realize Pakistan has plenty in the tank to keep positivism flowing. Get rid of some of the dead wood - and i get rid of and share the desire to move forward.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I have the same tendency.

Sometimes taking a back step and try to promote how many positive things we have in the nation that should always be promoted. Our new felt direction - our raw materials - our desire to succeed but above all resilience. To survive with a hostile neighbor 7 times our size and keep them on their toes is enough to realize Pakistan has plenty in the tank to keep positivism flowing. Get rid of some of the dead wood - and i get rid of and share the desire to move forward.

Precisely!

I believe that as well as addressing our problems we also need to highlight the positives like brother ghazi52 consistently does. It promotes the Pakpositive sphere and also helps us support the Pakistani narrative. We definitely have more positives than negatives to celebrate. I think we all somewhat have a tendency to confront and counter the negatives against us as this is mainly due to the negativity that the Pakistani identity and Islam received during the height of the WoT (2001-2019). For nearly 20 years we had been fighting a daily onslaught of imposed propaganda against our race, nation, culture, heritage and religion from our enemies. As we have exposed and destroyed this propaganda as well as the WoT abating, we should now actively promote Pakistan.

 

[Musings]

Precisely!

I believe that as well as addressing our problems we also need to highlight the positives like brother ghazi52 consistently does. It promotes the Pakpositive sphere and also helps us support the Pakistani narrative. We definitely have more positives than negatives to celebrate. I think we all somewhat have a tendency to confront and counter the negatives against us as this is mainly due to the negativity that the Pakistani identity and Islam received during the height of the WoT (2001-2019). For nearly 20 years we had been fighting a daily onslaught of imposed propaganda against our race, nation, culture, heritage and religion from our enemies. As we have exposed and destroyed this propaganda as well as the WoT abating, we should now actively promote Pakistan.

Too much time wasted - too much blood spilt

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

Rather fascinating that the world looks like it is Back to 1840s... same powers, same seas... from Med to AfroPakOcean to ChinaSeas... Gunboats everywhere.

Although Pakistan is just a Narrow strip of Land, its OurLand.

If we can manage to create StrategicSpace for PakState and stay unharmed in the next five years... we might just have a Great Building Block the build upon the PakPositivism into Reality...

Still long journey... but possible... very possible.

Wish Quaid e Azam R.A. was here....

Anyhow, the Game on ... better Players win.


Mangus

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

Pakistan, an inheritor of DurraniEmpire and 1000years of MuslimRule, is a continous manifestation of Life Force that makes us Paks @peagle

It is, perhaps, not an invalid observation that Pakistan now faces challenges that we have not faced before.

We have no other choice but to pervail. It is the question of Price...that we have to pay.

The CriminalEnterprise have left no flesh on the bones and then there is Kabulistan, Iran, India-in-panic, PakKashmiris still waiting... CPEC Phase2 ... EconomicHitmen and IMF.

DeadDonkey of Politics and no statesmen... let alone a concise, longterm PakState Policy...

Nixon thought of Paks to be either very brave or very stupid... and his opinion on the good Indians.. well... we know...

Time for Pakistan to be Brave and Wise... no more impusive, kneejerk reactions... otherwise, the Price become dearer...

Tread with care OurLand!

Mangus

 

[peagle]

Pakistan, an inheritor of DurraniEmpire and 1000years of MuslimRule, is a continous manifestation of Life Force that makes us Paks @peagle

It is, perhaps, not an invalid observation that Pakistan now faces challenges that we have not faced before.

We have no other choice but to pervail. It is the question of Price...that we have to pay.

The CriminalEnterprise have left no flesh on the bones and then there is Kabulistan, Iran, India-in-panic, PakKashmiris still waiting... CPEC Phase2 ... EconomicHitmen and IMF.

DeadDonkey of Politics and no statesmen... let alone a concise, longterm PakState Policy...

Nixon thought of Paks to be either very brave or very stupid... and his opinion on the good Indians.. well... we know...

Time for Pakistan to be Brave and Wise... no more impusive, kneejerk reactions... otherwise, the Price become dearer...

Tread with care OurLand!

Mangus

Lagta hey energy has been recharged lol,

it was Kissinger who said Pakistanis are fine people but stupid (something in our mental makeup, that is not quiet right) and he was and is right.
The stuff Nixon said made me laugh so hard I am still laughing lol. Although I cant say I find Indian women repulsive, many of my girlfriends have been Indian, tasty in my opinion.

I am on a long break from pdf except short contributions, will catch up soon inshallah, hope you are happy and healthy.

"Time for Pakistan to be Brave and Wise... no more impusive, kneejerk reactions.."
It seems we have indeed started on this path, love the decision on the renewed declaration of our map, among other things.