Behind the CeaseFireLine (CFL) ......

[Signalian]

Shoot and scoot spg and rocket artillery covered by short and medium range air defence as well as a special mountain division with good gear and heli infiltration training to protect the vital supply line with China

SPG is not used in mountains.

The roads are narrow at times, movement is restricted and so is the deployment. Good Roads can sometimes handle 15-20 Tonnage, anything above that damages the road. The warfare is mostly static due to nature of terrain, where as SPGs are used in mobile warfare.

MLRS is a possibility but trajectories maybe hard to achieve due to Mountain peaks.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

Its best for PA to conduct offense before IA makes its move. This is not just to take war on enemy's turf, doing as much damage as possible to weaken offensive strength of the enemy, buying time to strengthen own position and defenses, force the enemy to go on defensive, maintaining choice of place of attack and luring in enemy reinforcement in this sector instead of letting enemy choose to use those forces in some other theater of war. If IA manages to break PA's offensive and chances are very bright for that, then PA forces start to deploy back to rear positions, delaying enemy advance during retreat. This just offsets IA's plans for conducting offensive and gives PA a chance to capture any enemy territory if possible. On the defensive, PA has better chances of success. This way maybe 4-7 days at start of war are lost in this cat and mouse game. PA should be able to defend positions in mountains for next 2 weeks, the withdrawing forces joining the reinforcements which are already manning defensive positions. Three weeks would have passed by then. This is worse case scenario when PA starts the offensive and loses all gains. If FCNA starts the offensive, while another infantry Division (such as 7th Infantry Division) acts as reserve and takes up defensive positions behind FCNA, then there are chances that Pakistan can defend the upper AJK region. If 7th Infantry is standing behind 12th Infantry Division as reserve, then FCNA has to rely on GB scouts for manning defensive positions. If FCNA gets run over, then its up to the GB scouts and withdrawing FCNA forces, which could be 50% remaining of the total strength that started the offensive.

The issue is mobility again; penetrating 5-6 km inside enemy territory will take hours especially if some sort of defense infrastructure like bunkers, MG positions, mortar dig-outs are in place. Back this with artillery fire and it may take up to 10-12 hours to achieve breakthrough.

Winter is a bad option for war in mountains. It not only affects mobility, it strains lines of supply whether animal or mechanical or aerial. Animals will need double food rations, veterinary medicines and some sort of covering (clothing), which means extra weight already. Mechanical transport like jeeps, trucks etc will need to traverse through snowy, wet and slippery roads. Plus the roads will need to be kept free from enemy fire, whether light arms or artillery fire. I can tell you right now, there will be hardly any aerial flights by helis for supplies, citing bad weather conditions everyday. Night operations will become more hectic and tough, not only due to snow but also drop in temperatures. Double rations, double medicines, extra barrels for rapid fire weapons which could freeze and more supplies for keeping hard shelters warm/extra clothing and gear. The good thing is that weather conditions will affect both armies. The Army which is well prepared to handle adverse weather conditions will come on top.

Shock and awe is achieved through surprise of mobility and suppression of firepower. Both of which are hard to achieve by both armies. Moving artillery in mountains is another headache. Roads are good, be mindful that IAF will strike and damage roads, cause land slides which will take Engineers few or many hours to clear. Mules can draw artillery on dirt tracks, but that will take even longer. There will be ammunition and spares also, which will need to be transported. AD will have tube launched (Anza/Stinger) and AAA weapons (35 mm and 40 mm). Some of this equipment could be taken apart and then assembled when required to be used. Engineers will need to move own equipment to build shelters, build bunkers, repair roads, repair bridges etc.

This is why helis are needed and IA/IAF has a bigger inventory than PA/PAF. While PA uses pack howitzers, IA has got the modern M-777 light howitzers. Back in good old days, PA transported Field Gun 130mm piece by piece through Mi-17's. 130 mm is not a howitzer, PA now uses Chinese 122 mm which can achieve elevation angles required in mountains. IAF not only operates Mi-26 but also CH-47's now, both are heavy Lift helis.

The only major advantage that PA holds is that NLI and GB scouts are composed of personnel and troops from Azad Kashmir. Their bodies are suited to the weather conditions, their grooming is composed of playing in mountains as teens and they have a good sense of navigating in Mountains. I am not sure how many kashmiris from IOK join IA.

If 34th Light Infantry Division gets in action and uses Helis to deploy troops inside IOK, then FCNA automatically gets a head start and will face minimal resistance, since the brunt of IA and BSF waves will be faced by sections/platoons/companies of LCB of 34th LID. A medium transport heli can carry 10-25 troops, a light transport heli can carry 3-4 troops. We are talking about northern kashmir, so probably light transport heli (Fennec, Ecureuil), 2 of them to drop a section strength (8-10 troops) at a peak. For a platoon (25-30 troops) level, 6 light Helis will be required. A medium heli ( Z-9, AW-139, Bell-206, Mi-17, Puma) could carry and deploy more troops but its to be seen if they can achieve altitudes. Catastrophe cannot only occur if these helis are shot down by IAF or IA AD, or through accidents in weather, but it will also occur if FCNA cannot relieve the LCB troops under 12-14 hours. By that time, LCB would have faced causalities with depleting ammunition and chances of them being over run or captured are bright. This is very risky but do able if no other alternate is there. India will probably direct BSF towards these peaks and use Regular IA forces to defend and then counter attack FCNA which by that time should be starting its attack.

PAF has to play a major part; firstly achieving air superiority for a few hours till deployment by helis is completed. Then PAF is required to conduct 2-3 sortie ground strikes at the location held by enemy formation when FCNA starts its attack. This will save lives of own soldiers. Followed by Artillery strikes, enabling FCNA to move forward under cover. Remember that FCNA is just 3-Brigade strength and it has a vast area of responsibility. FCNA has to maintain its strength amidst the setbacks of sick/wounded/killed soldiers. If LCB sitting at peaks is able to stop IA from reinforcing CFL with additional troops, then LCB has completed its first major task. If furthermore LCB can start targeting roads and intersection, completely blocking movement and provide all recon reports to FCNA, then it would help PA make gains inside IOK.

The above involves different types of weaponry, different types of forces and different tactics compiled over a broad strategy to make inroads into IOK that can lead to success in Operations.

Educational! Thankyou, brother!

Attacking heavily fortified positions even in non-mountaninous environment is challenging... hence, advisable to find innovations.... I am sure PA has wargamed other things as well.

If I understood your analysis correctly.... then for small gain in IoJK a very heavy effort is needed given the fortification, air-lift capabilities and numbers of GanguTerroristArmy there...

This leaves then the possibility of defensive war only... which is what our doctorine is all about? When the TerroristArmy attacks... we defend and try to inflict maximum damage...

However, if GanguTerroristArmy also attacks on IB... since they are moving their IBGs as well... then we shall be stretched... guess first couple of days of war would be decisive then.... again fits in the GanguNarrative of LimitedWar which we have been hearing for so many years now... kun puk gae nay sun sun kay!

I still fear those ANA/TTPs/ImportedDaesh from Afganistan.... in GB and Ganguz attacking AJK... with IAF doing bombing runs...

We need innovations... and pronto.

I do fear that there is going to be conflict... for so many reasons...

Anyhow, I have faith in OurArmedForces and they have also studied /planned different scenarios.

We are alone in this!

 

[Army research]

SPG is not used in mountains.

The roads are narrow at times, movement is restricted and so is the deployment. Good Roads can sometimes handle 15-20 Tonnage, anything above that damages the road. The warfare is mostly static due to nature of terrain, where as SPGs are used in mobile warfare.

MLRS is a possibility but trajectories maybe hard to achieve due to Mountain peaks.

I stand corrected,
Kudos

 

[HRK]

It is expected that in the next major war between Pakistan - India, the IA will cross CFL, penetrate into Gilgit, Skardu and could even reach Chitral.

how would they manage logistics and transportation in that region ..... Which as per my understanding both the countries lack for full scale offensive operation in that region

 

[Signalian]

how would they manage logistics and transportation in that region ..... Which as per my understanding both the countries lack for full scale offensive operation in that region

Indian Army has a better chance of managing that than PA. I gave a few points in earlier posts.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Quite logical layout, as always!

We need to add in the mix... BlackWater and Daesh as well... paid mercernaries.... at the cost of few hundered millions dollars ... GanguDaesh can contract them as well... along with PTM/TTP and combined with political chaos and FazoolMullhaMaffia ready-for-business-any-time ... GanguDaesh+StrategicAllies can create a lot of mess...

We need to keep in mind that Balochistan can be disturbed as well... again money element there.

NorthernAlliance or ANA and all of the combinations above could create quite a headache for us. Again I do fear it is going to be HybridAttack... and Ganguz+Allies have deep investments within our MarasiMedia and politicalClass.

If you look closely it is 71+++ scenario they wish to create.

What counter HybridCounterAttack we can launch? On paper they got more of everything... so what to do?

What’s about Zia-ul Hak method?!?! Any misadventure is welcome, but it’s Inna Lillahi ve Inna Ilahi Rajeun....

 

[Signalian]

Educational! Thankyou, brother!

Attacking heavily fortified positions even in non-mountaninous environment is challenging... hence, advisable to find innovations.... I am sure PA has wargamed other things as well.

If I understood your analysis correctly.... then for small gain in IoJK a very heavy effort is needed given the fortification, air-lift capabilities and numbers of GanguTerroristArmy there...

This leaves then the possibility of defensive war only... which is what our doctorine is all about? When the TerroristArmy attacks... we defend and try to inflict maximum damage...

However, if GanguTerroristArmy also attacks on IB... since they are moving their IBGs as well... then we shall be stretched... guess first couple of days of war would be decisive then.... again fits in the GanguNarrative of LimitedWar which we have been hearing for so many years now... kun puk gae nay sun sun kay!

I still fear those ANA/TTPs/ImportedDaesh from Afganistan.... in GB and Ganguz attacking AJK... with IAF doing bombing runs...

We need innovations... and pronto.

I do fear that there is going to be conflict... for so many reasons...

Anyhow, I have faith in OurArmedForces and they have also studied /planned different scenarios.

We are alone in this!

Indian Army attacking IB has a major drawback for PA. There won't be any reinforcements for AJK sector. But IA will not attack IB on its own. IA needs assistance, on lines of Mukti Bahini, operating inside Pakistan. That is how East Pakistan was run over by India. You have mentioned the names already on lines of TTP/BLA and imported ones from Afghanistan. If ANA can keep PA forces on western front bogged down, then Eastern front with India on IB will be unable to receive reinforcements for PA.

Pakistan has NA in North west, ANA and other factions in west, BLA/BRA in south West inside Pakistan. Iran is also being embroiled to use force against PA from south west outside Pakistan.
On East, the picture is a lot better since MQM died down and also the internal threat has reduced in major cities. Its IA with its armored, mechanised, infantry and Artillery formations sitting in the east.

So Pakistan is actually surrounded from East and West.

The Northern Region has China and the Southern region is Sea, which has been linked by CPEC. This is where India failed and Chinese provided relief. Now the talks of 'Naval Blockade' by India and Its Navy is orchestrated to put the southern sea lines under pressure.

What’s about Zia-ul Hak method?!?! Any misadventure is welcome, but it’s Inna Lillahi ve Inna Ilahi Rajeun....

S-400 is regarded as the savior and whatever that Indian indigenous ABM defense program is lingering on.

 

[The Accountant]

Indian Army attacking IB has a major drawback for PA. There won't be any reinforcements for AJK sector. But IA will not attack IB on its own. IA needs assistance, on lines of Mukti Bahini, operating inside Pakistan. That is how East Pakistan was run over by India. You have mentioned the names already on lines of TTP/BLA and imported ones from Afghanistan. If ANA can keep PA forces on western front bogged down, then Eastern front with India on IB will be unable to receive reinforcements for PA.

Pakistan has NA in North west, ANA and other factions in west, BLA/BRA in south West inside Pakistan. Iran is also being embroiled to use force against PA from south west outside Pakistan.
On East, the picture is a lot better since MQM died down and also the internal threat has reduced in major cities. Its IA with its armored, mechanised, infantry and Artillery formations sitting in the east.

So Pakistan is actually surrounded from East and West.

The Northern Region has China and the Southern region is Sea, which has been linked by CPEC. This is where India failed and Chinese provided relief. Now the talks of 'Naval Blockade' by India and Its Navy is orchestrated to put the southern sea lines under pressure.


S-400 is regarded as the savior and whatever that Indian indigenous ABM defense program is lingering on.

TTP and BLA capabilities are long gone. They can run sabbotage operations at best, specially TTP has lost its entires support base. However, we still need to work on development of Balochi people. CUrrent government of Balochistan is much better however it will take time to resolve issues of decades

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

Indian Army attacking IB has a major drawback for PA. There won't be any reinforcements for AJK sector. But IA will not attack IB on its own. IA needs assistance, on lines of Mukti Bahini, operating inside Pakistan. That is how East Pakistan was run over by India. You have mentioned the names already on lines of TTP/BLA and imported ones from Afghanistan. If ANA can keep PA forces on western front bogged down, then Eastern front with India on IB will be unable to receive reinforcements for PA.

Pakistan has NA in North west, ANA and other factions in west, BLA/BRA in south West inside Pakistan. Iran is also being embroiled to use force against PA from south west outside Pakistan.
On East, the picture is a lot better since MQM died down and also the internal threat has reduced in major cities. Its IA with its armored, mechanised, infantry and Artillery formations sitting in the east.

So Pakistan is actually surrounded from East and West.

The Northern Region has China and the Southern region is Sea, which has been linked by CPEC. This is where India failed and Chinese provided relief. Now the talks of 'Naval Blockade' by India and Its Navy is orchestrated to put the southern sea lines under pressure.


S-400 is regarded as the savior and whatever that Indian indigenous ABM defense program is lingering on.

My dear Pak,


A very good post!

I wouldn't go as far as saying that MQM malitia is toally done with... still some target killers and terrorist cells are there. Also, within Sindh we do have a Law n Order situation... a headache can emerge there as well.

Regarding, Iranian front yes that is quite concerning... beligerence coming from there is quite consistent... might just open a front with us to divert attention away from ME theatre.... if they remain neutral then that would mount to an alliance with us!

Afghan theatre is becoming hotter and I do suspect that US will go on the offensive ...with counter offensive from Taliban... ANA, remnants of TTP and other malitia would become free to open low intensity front against us. PTM is for now managed...but the way Fazlu is playing he will try to leverage PTM support base... Please, see his narrative is dovetailing PTM's .... oh yeah, and Islam is in danger.

I still consider FazoolMullahMafia to be National Security Threat. PakState has been too tolerant of this lot. SoftState behaviour needs to end on many fronts.

Billo already has raised the infamous SindhuDaesh slogan ... he has been building on it for sometime... if you listen to his speech..there is a redline in it... so we do have Muktiz in different forms... not the same scenario as in EastPakistan... but perhaps more complex.

Balochistan is stable for now... we need to keep an eye on Taftan as well... Gawadar is another key asset to protect .. please, remember the recent PC attack there by BLA who came by boat/sea!

Since, we are not fighting GanguDaesh alone... but forces behind the GanguTerroristRegime who have much larger agenda where GanguTerroristArmy is one of the tools.

In the same regard FATF and IMF need to be considered as WeaponisedFinancialTools as well.

The situation in ME especially after the attack on KSA makes it more dangerous situation for us... our possible financial support base is under attack as well.

GanguNavy is near our waters after oiltanker attacks... Oman is Oman.

The movement of GanguTerroristArmy's IBGs towards our borders...and excercises of the same near the Chinese border is more than posturing... need to be seen as conveying a message to PLA to stay out. Let us see if PLA is impressed by such antics.

Also, we need to take into count the pervailing political wailing and antiState narrative of practically all opposition save JI.
NarcoLeague is directly inciting against the state instituitions and PeePee is doing the same in Sindh... Fazlu is trying to create maximum leverage through threat of choas and anarchy. If a deal is made with him then he will have undue power over the PakState (in Hybridwar section we did touch on this Vector).

Money is already pouring in for Fazlu's Lockdown ... NAB and Judiciary is incapable of delivering... both thoroughly compromised instituitions.

GoP is still in paralysis and hasn't been able to find cohesion within its cabinet ranks yet.

In all our wars with GanguFacistRegime we lost on political front or on negotiating table. And I fear the current political/JumWhoriat is like Muktiz ... so a dangerous Vector.

#MarasiMedia is sold out and lacks intellectual capacity to shape any PakNationalNarrative ... add to that mismanagement of economy which PTI recieved as dead... is not helping either.

War is supply chain, logistics and firepower... and 5thGen/Hybridwar is no different. We need to fight back on all Vectors of Hybridwar ...simaltaneously!

I do fear that IB will be opened as it will help GanguTerroristArmy to gain more against PakArmedForces who will be spread thin... a concentrated conflict in IoJK/AJK-GB theatre is a bogged down conflict without much outcome.

PAF and Drones are needed in this one!

I am sure PakArmedForces have wargamed many,many scenarios and have developed counter measures. But we need to manage the PolticalChaos as Politicoz will try to maximise it to gain a free-chit from corruption... which again is equal to losing at political front/negotiating table for PakState.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Indian Army attacking IB has a major drawback for PA. There won't be any reinforcements for AJK sector. But IA will not attack IB on its own. IA needs assistance, on lines of Mukti Bahini, operating inside Pakistan. That is how East Pakistan was run over by India. You have mentioned the names already on lines of TTP/BLA and imported ones from Afghanistan. If ANA can keep PA forces on western front bogged down, then Eastern front with India on IB will be unable to receive reinforcements for PA.

Pakistan has NA in North west, ANA and other factions in west, BLA/BRA in south West inside Pakistan. Iran is also being embroiled to use force against PA from south west outside Pakistan.
On East, the picture is a lot better since MQM died down and also the internal threat has reduced in major cities. Its IA with its armored, mechanised, infantry and Artillery formations sitting in the east.

So Pakistan is actually surrounded from East and West.

The Northern Region has China and the Southern region is Sea, which has been linked by CPEC. This is where India failed and Chinese provided relief. Now the talks of 'Naval Blockade' by India and Its Navy is orchestrated to put the southern sea lines under pressure.


S-400 is regarded as the savior and whatever that Indian indigenous ABM defense program is lingering on.

As for AD systems, their effectiveness in real life battle conditions is highly questionable!! Moreover, Indo-Pak closeness is another positive for Pak!!! IMO the Indian Mushrikin won’t take any extremely bold initiatives even if the entire world supports them!!! 02-26 to 02-28 has convinced me they’re no Ebu Jahils - it’s a matter of Fitret....

My dear Pak,


A very good post!

I wouldn't go as far as saying that MQM malitia is toally done with... still some target killers and terrorist cells are there. Also, within Sindh we do have a Law n Order situation... a headache can emerge there as well.

Regarding, Iranian front yes that is quite concerning... beligerence coming from there is quite consistent... might just open a front with us to divert attention away from ME theatre.... if they remain neutral then that would mount to an alliance with us!

Afghan theatre is becoming hotter and I do suspect that US will go on the offensive ...with counter offensive from Taliban... ANA, remnants of TTP and other malitia would become free to open low intensity front against us. PTM is for now managed...but the way Fazlu is playing he will try to leverage PTM support base... Please, see his narrative is dovetailing PTM's .... oh yeah, and Islam is in danger.

I still consider FazoolMullahMafia to be National Security Threat. PakState has been too tolerant of this lot. SoftState behaviour needs to end on many fronts.

Billo already has raised the infamous SindhuDaesh slogan ... he has been building on it for sometime... if you listen to his speech..there is a redline in it... so we do have Muktiz in different forms... not the same scenario as in EastPakistan... but perhaps more complex.

Balochistan is stable for now... we need to keep an eye on Taftan as well... Gawadar is another key asset to protect .. please, remember the recent PC attack there by BLA who came by boat/sea!

Since, we are not fighting GanguDaesh alone... but forces behind the GanguTerroristRegime who have much larger agenda where GanguTerroristArmy is one of the tools.

In the same regard FATF and IMF need to be considered as WeaponisedFinancialTools as well.

The situation in ME especially after the attack on KSA makes it more dangerous situation for us... our possible financial support base is under attack as well.

GanguNavy is near our waters after oiltanker attacks... Oman is Oman.

The movement of GanguTerroristArmy's IBGs towards our borders...and excercises of the same near the Chinese border is more than posturing... need to be seen as conveying a message to PLA to stay out. Let us see if PLA is impressed by such antics.

Also, we need to take into count the pervailing political wailing and antiState narrative of practically all opposition save JI.
NarcoLeague is directly inciting against the state instituitions and PeePee is doing the same in Sindh... Fazlu is trying to create maximum leverage through threat of choas and anarchy. If a deal is made with him then he will have undue power over the PakState (in Hybridwar section we did touch on this Vector).

Money is already pouring in for Fazlu's Lockdown ... NAB and Judiciary is incapable of delivering... both thoroughly compromised instituitions.

GoP is still in paralysis and hasn't been able to find cohesion within its cabinet ranks yet.

In all our wars with GanguFacistRegime we lost on political front or on negotiating table. And I fear the current political/JumWhoriat is like Muktiz ... so a dangerous Vector.

#MarasiMedia is sold out and lacks intellectual capacity to shape any PakNationalNarrative ... add to that mismanagement of economy which PTI recieved as dead... is not helping either.

War is supply chain, logistics and firepower... and 5thGen/Hybridwar is no different. We need to fight back on all Vectors of Hybridwar ...simaltaneously!

I do fear that IB will be opened as it will help GanguTerroristArmy to gain more against PakArmedForces who will be spread thin... a concentrated conflict in IoJK/AJK-GB theatre is a bogged down conflict without much outcome.

PAF and Drones are needed in this one!

I am sure PakArmedForces have wargamed many,many scenarios and have developed counter measures. But we need to manage the PolticalChaos as Politicoz will try to maximise it to gain a free-chit from corruption... which again is equal to losing at political front/negotiating table for PakState.

Mujibs are born once in a century!!! Pak has already had her share!!! Moreover, IMO there’re some elements in the West Pak folks that differentiate them from their counterparts from the East Pak....

At the end of the day, it’s the Murad-i Ilahi!!! Events show that it’s in favor for the countries like Turkey and Pak. Otherwise, Reis Erdo’an would have been gone a long time back after publicly rebuking the Israili leader live on TV....

 

[Inception-06]

My dear Pak,


A very good post!

I wouldn't go as far as saying that MQM malitia is toally done with... still some target killers and terrorist cells are there. Also, within Sindh we do have a Law n Order situation... a headache can emerge there as well.

Regarding, Iranian front yes that is quite concerning... beligerence coming from there is quite consistent... might just open a front with us to divert attention away from ME theatre.... if they remain neutral then that would mount to an alliance with us!

Afghan theatre is becoming hotter and I do suspect that US will go on the offensive ...with counter offensive from Taliban... ANA, remnants of TTP and other malitia would become free to open low intensity front against us. PTM is for now managed...but the way Fazlu is playing he will try to leverage PTM support base... Please, see his narrative is dovetailing PTM's .... oh yeah, and Islam is in danger.

I still consider FazoolMullahMafia to be National Security Threat. PakState has been too tolerant of this lot. SoftState behaviour needs to end on many fronts.

Billo already has raised the infamous SindhuDaesh slogan ... he has been building on it for sometime... if you listen to his speech..there is a redline in it... so we do have Muktiz in different forms... not the same scenario as in EastPakistan... but perhaps more complex.

Balochistan is stable for now... we need to keep an eye on Taftan as well... Gawadar is another key asset to protect .. please, remember the recent PC attack there by BLA who came by boat/sea!

Since, we are not fighting GanguDaesh alone... but forces behind the GanguTerroristRegime who have much larger agenda where GanguTerroristArmy is one of the tools.

In the same regard FATF and IMF need to be considered as WeaponisedFinancialTools as well.

The situation in ME especially after the attack on KSA makes it more dangerous situation for us... our possible financial support base is under attack as well.

GanguNavy is near our waters after oiltanker attacks... Oman is Oman.

The movement of GanguTerroristArmy's IBGs towards our borders...and excercises of the same near the Chinese border is more than posturing... need to be seen as conveying a message to PLA to stay out. Let us see if PLA is impressed by such antics.

Also, we need to take into count the pervailing political wailing and antiState narrative of practically all opposition save JI.
NarcoLeague is directly inciting against the state instituitions and PeePee is doing the same in Sindh... Fazlu is trying to create maximum leverage through threat of choas and anarchy. If a deal is made with him then he will have undue power over the PakState (in Hybridwar section we did touch on this Vector).

Money is already pouring in for Fazlu's Lockdown ... NAB and Judiciary is incapable of delivering... both thoroughly compromised instituitions.

GoP is still in paralysis and hasn't been able to find cohesion within its cabinet ranks yet.

In all our wars with GanguFacistRegime we lost on political front or on negotiating table. And I fear the current political/JumWhoriat is like Muktiz ... so a dangerous Vector.

#MarasiMedia is sold out and lacks intellectual capacity to shape any PakNationalNarrative ... add to that mismanagement of economy which PTI recieved as dead... is not helping either.

War is supply chain, logistics and firepower... and 5thGen/Hybridwar is no different. We need to fight back on all Vectors of Hybridwar ...simaltaneously!

I do fear that IB will be opened as it will help GanguTerroristArmy to gain more against PakArmedForces who will be spread thin... a concentrated conflict in IoJK/AJK-GB theatre is a bogged down conflict without much outcome.

PAF and Drones are needed in this one!

I am sure PakArmedForces have wargamed many,many scenarios and have developed counter measures. But we need to manage the PolticalChaos as Politicoz will try to maximise it to gain a free-chit from corruption... which again is equal to losing at political front/negotiating table for PakState.

@Signalian my dear Pak,

Have you kept an eye on GanguTerroristArmy excercises in Ladkh? Anything special this time... in terms of number of troops, equipment, tactics and overall integeration of battlegroup?

Also, something to take into consieration... Trump said that there is going to be TriServices excercises between the two countries in November this year... something called AngryTiger or something... quite obviously it would be directed at China...and as byproduct on us...

Most interesting would be the areas where these excercises would be held along with the scope ... plus troops/equipment...the usual.

I still beleive a WinterWar is a distinct possibility... would be massive air campaign... given GanguTerroristArmy has more helis as you have highlighted already....

Question: What are the possible scenarios of the attack?
How many fronts can be opened against us simultaneouly?
Western borders first?

What FacistModi said in Huston... we need to take that seriously... they are itching for war and finish us off/ or hurt us in such a way that we won't be able to stand up for decades.. and of course, AJK/GB endgame.

Let us hear from you!

Can't you write your posts without being disrespectful against the enemy, that's the first lesson of war, and your posts would get more valuable answers and would be more readable, notice @Signalian or x@armchair general posts we never underestimate the Indians !

 

[Inception-06]

My dear Pak,

Firstly, many thanks for your kind post. I do recognise your sentiment and of course, it is in order. Hence, difficult to debate it on its high morality.

If you have read my post(s) there is Zero underestimation of the enemy.

If anything... the purpose is to achieve a rational base-line of what we are and what we are dealing with.

Why? So that we NEVER overestimate ourselves... and also at the same time neither we become so sapless that we don't even dare to be... because of the numbers... oh the enemy is so strong and has bigger numbers.. so why fight back? Logical thinking.. highly rational!

Now coming to your point of taking offense of deglorifiying GanguFacistRegime in my posts as a constant... I respect your enlightened views and desire for more benign and civilised, liberal outlook towards our 'enemy'... (Are they even enemy? Same people, same culture... same DNA.. same AllooGosht???)

When PakKashmiris... Our Mothers, Sisterrs, Daughters and Our Boys and Our Bazurg are raped, tortured, lynched, jailed and killed... I am terribly sorry that I call the esteemd and sophisticated Indians as GanguFacistRegime or an army which has used Rape as Weapon of War against PakKashmiris... from 8 years to 80 years muslims women... that I call them GanguTerroristArmy ... you have to forgive me.

I do realise that I appear vulgar, cath and uncivilised... and of course, a peasant in my emotion lacking any capacity to ever become an enlighted entity to call them anything other than what they are... GanguTerroristArmy

My sincere appologies for any offence or discomfort in the professional discourse that you and others might be having.

There is a Report button... you can use it... quite certain you might already have.

An outright ban for this person is called for... given I have called 'indians' GanguTeyrroristArmy which takes young women out of their home in the middle of the night and then gang rape them... but indeed I must treat them 'indians' with respect...

Kindly, in future don't engage on this matter. Your professional oppinions I respect but you know that already.

Understanding is a thing that is not limited to mere reading ... perception is perhaps the highest form. War is not only fought by the soldiers!

With kind regards,

Mangus

P.S. A manhood proving retort is waste of time... I don't have to prove anything... but then it is what it is.

As you want, it's your way, that's not how wars are been won.

Regards

 

[Inception-06]

Not at all, brother mine!

I really understood your point... I was just trying to covey a message... which in not related to battlefield at all.

There is a meta level and there is sub level... I am just engaged in the Meta Level.. I know absolutely nothing about weapons... I understand policy... but @Signalian knows that.

I am sorry if I have offened you in anyway. I truly do!

Mangus

You have offened not me, but you have a point making and interesting writing style, also the ideas and your thinking out of the box is enjoyable to read, that's what I wanted to see separate from this childish "gang Hindu.." phrases,remember we are readers and writers in PDF, I am reading here since 2006, and in the old PDF forums since 2004, these are now more then 15 years, I started when I was 16, to read and write here, did give me a tool and minde in writing and reading which I could not learn in the school, my english was disasterous, I did fined it here, so I thought the same for you, I guess you are also a young Member and other young writers, these forum should also been seen as a learning and maturing platform, not only to spy venom and write two liners without any value. I didn't want to take a teacher's role...

Again best regards

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

We are alone in this!

Historically not!!! Fatih Sultan Mehmet Han moved the ships over the land to break the fortification of Constantinople!!! Where there is a will/WILL there is a way....

To "conquer" Kashmir is what was like to "conquer" Konstantinopol!!!! So, some "out of the box" stuffs from Istanbul Teknofest 2019 to ponder:

Teknofest 2019

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/teknofest-2019.635832/page-2#post-11788322

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I like this !!!