22 top airforces (based on plane quality and quantity).

[LegionnairE]

I wouldn't put too much faith into the F-35. It's a hardware and software marvel, and the scientists working on it should be commended for trying to make this..."fighter" work out like Lockheed promised, but it's problems are far too many. It's price is far too high for what it offers, and what it offers is questionable.

Trust me, it's less questionable than F22

They have the more advanced tech, but not the experience to utilize them to their full potential.

What technology they have that we don't?

 

[That Guy]

Trust me, it's less questionable than F22

The F-22's problem is lack of US motivation to upgrade it, which they should have done by now, otherwise it's a damn fine bird. The F-35 is worthless and I hope Canada pulls out of the project, especially since there is no need for such a fighter in the Royal Canadian Air Force.

 

[Hakan]

I wouldn't put too much faith into the F-35. It's a hardware and software marvel, and the scientists working on it should be commended for trying to make this..."fighter" work out like Lockheed promised, but it's problems are far too many. It's price is far too high for what it offers, and what it offers is questionable.

It will still be better than any other plane in the region. However like you said it has many issues that have not been worked out yet and even if they are worked out it will still prove to be very expensive to operate. unfortunately it is the only realistic 5th generation fighter out there that we can get our hands. What other stealth jet could we acquire?

 

[That Guy]

It will still be better than any other plane in the region. However like you said it has many issues that have not been worked out yet and even if they are worked out it will still prove to be very expensive to operate. unfortunately it is the only realistic 5th generation fighter out there that we can get our hands.

Maybe not. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Turkey have the TF-X program?

 

[Hakan]

Maybe not. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Turkey have the TF-X program?

yes but we will have to wait until 2023 for that to be ready. Experts are doubting that it will even be ready by then.

my concern with the F-35 is the source codes.

U.S. to withhold F-35 fighter software code| Reuters

 

[That Guy]

yes but we will have to wait until 2023 for that to be ready. Experts are doubting that it will even be ready by then.

The F-35 isn't going to be in Turkish hands (at least not in significant numbers) until 2020 anyways, so why not just take the money being poured into the F-35 project and put it into the domestic program instead?

 

[Hakan]

The F-35 isn't going to be in Turkish hands (at least not in significant numbers) until 2020 anyways, so why not just take the money being poured into the F-35 project and put it into the domestic program instead?

Delivery time of first F-35's would be 2017-2018. We dont even know if TF-X will be ready by 2023. If we wait till 2023 then we will have an outdated air force. Russia will already have their PAK FA and other countries will have typhoons gripens etc.

Turkey likely to order Lockheed F-35 fighters in 2015| Reuters

 

[That Guy]

Delivery time of first F-35's would be 2017-2018. We dont even know if TF-X will be ready by 2023. If we wait till 2023 then we will have an outdated air force. Russia will already have their PAK FA and other countries will have typhoons gripens etc.

Turkey likely to order Lockheed F-35 fighters in 2015| Reuters

To be fair, I said significant numbers, and the article says 100 fighters over 10 years, which means 10 a year. By the timeline presented, by 2020, Turkey will only have around 30-50 fighters, which is nowhere near enough.

 

[Hakan]

To be fair, I said significant numbers, and the article says 100 fighters over 10 years, which means 10 a year. By the timeline presented, by 2020, Turkey will only have around 30-50 fighters, which is nowhere near enough.

Those 30-50 Fighters are very important considering that russia will be getting its stealth aircraft around the same time.

In the future theTurkish airforce will most likely be composed of 100 f-35, around 200 TF-X, and Block 50+ F-16's.

To be fair, I said significant numbers

my bad.

 

[500]

Buddy could you make a friendly Israel vs Turkey AirForce comparison. That would be awesome since both have a very capable air force much better than this IrAF or PAF thread.

Thanks!

Sorry for late reply. But I already rated these two airforces. I even uploaded an excel fire with details.
Here is data from WAF 2014:

212 F-16 C/D 1,10/1,05
30 F-16 block 50+ 1,10/1,20
54 F-4 Terminator 2020 0,60/1,00
15 F-4 0,30 /0,60
23 F-5 0,25/0,35
7 KC-135 2,00 6,00
-------------------------------------
2*322,85+371,65=1017,35

25 F-15I 1,40/ 1,50
42 F-15 C/D 1,30/ 0,50
16 F-15 A/B 1,20 /0,50
99 F-16I 1,10 /1,20
131 F-16C/D 1,00/ 1,00
58 F-16A/B 0,70/ 0,80
3 Phalcon 8,00 /0,00
8 KC-707 6,00/ 2,00
4 KC-130 1,00 /4,00
---------------
2*465,3 +394,7=1325,3


Notes:

1) Turkish F-16C I counted as 1.1/1.05 instead of 1/1, because they are mostly block 50.
2) According to WAF there is still no operational AEW in TuAF. If I add 1 Boeing 737 AEW then Turkish rank will grow to 1033 and if i add all 4 then to 1081.

 

[xenon54 out]

Maybe not. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Turkey have the TF-X program?

Those 30-50 Fighters are very important considering that russia will be getting its stealth aircraft around the same time.
In the future theTurkish airforce will most likely be composed of 100 f-35, around 200 TF-X, and Block 50+ F-16's.

Who says TF-X will be a success? Even if, we still have to wait for at least 3-4 decades to produce a significant amount of Fighters, in the end we try to produce a 5th gen fighter from scratch, while we cant even produce the smallest indigenous aviation engine yet...

The F-35 partnership is a good thing, we gained much know-how throught this project, not to meantion the fact that this jet is one of the best at the moment, no matter what pessimists say.

 

[The Sultan Erdogan]

that is only one possible scenario.. you must consider every situaions and reality before ranking.. if italy wins over PAF in a direct conflict anyday in almost every situation means your ranking is wrong..

If that is the case, then Germans, French, or English will win over IAF anyday everyday....

Ranking is done based on the current present assets, not what "will" happen in a pressumed war.

Calm down.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

don't make me laugh...
One must be a retard to think of RSAF as an equal of TURAF.
I won't even go into technical details and discuss... it's fvcking obvious

and FYI we got twice their GDP.

Technical details you tell me. hmmm...

1- Turkey, 240 F-16 blocks, 30, 40, 50:

KSA, 173 Boeing F-15C\D\S

Turkey, F-4 Phantom II, 50

KSA,Panavia Tornado IDS, 87:

Eurofighter Typhoon, 72

Turkey, B-737 AEW&C, 1:

KSA, Boeing E-3 Sentry, 5:

KSA, RE-3A, 3:

Turkey, A400M Atlas, 10:

KSA, Airbus A330, 9:

KSA, Boeing KE-3A, 7

 

[LegionnairE]

F16s aren't block 30, 40, 50 anymore it's 210 CCIP + 30 Block 50+ only diffference is really CFTs they are all block 50+
CFT versions look like this:

Your F4 numbers are wrong
we got 54 Terminator 2020s, Tornados have nothing on them, nevermind the RF4Es, I'm not including them.
which looks like this

nevermind the LANTIRN, LITENING, SNIPER pods and ASELPOD, nevermind the SOMs and Penguins
Also fvck the typhoons, they offered them to Turkey like 10 times, with advertisements and all TURAF didn't give a shit.
After procurement of F35s we'll get in front of Israel, fvck KSA

Also, you forgot this, sucka!

 

[jandk]

Saudi Arabia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TUrkey