22 top airforces (based on plane quality and quantity).

[truthseeker2010]

I did count the F-22 for USAF, all other are not operational yet.

why is euro fighter so low? i.e 1.3, shouldn't it be more

 

[gambit]

F-15 is more agile than F-16.

Ahhh...No.

 

[500]

why is euro fighter so low? i.e 1.3, shouldn't it be more

Whats so special about the EFT? It does not have AESA radar, and not much fuel.

Ahhh...No.

F-15 has much more trust/weight ratio and less wing loading. So in acceleration, vertical maneuvering, sustained turn it is going to win.

 

[truthseeker2010]

Whats so special about the EFT? It does not have AESA radar, and not much fuel.


F-15 has much more trust/weight ratio and less wing loading. So in acceleration, vertical maneuvering, sustained turn it is going to win.

Maybe because its a 4+ gen fighter, and i heard that it was best among all in a2a except for F-22
So F-15E/SG/K are better than both Rafale and Eurofighter?

 

[500]

Maybe because its a 4+ gen fighter, and i heard that it was best among all in a2a except for F-22
So F-15E/SG/K are better than both Rafale and Eurofighter?

Well generations are artificial and subjective thing. U should check the specs. When compare to F-15C it is more agile, less RCS, but has less fuel and weaker radar.

 

[Zarvan]

I was bored and decided to estimate airforces strength. I wrote down the list of active aircrafts for each air force and then counted score.

Here is method I used. F-16C I used as base: 1 air-air point/1 air to ground point. For other aircrafts my estimates are follow:

F-16C = 1/1
F-16A = 0.8/0.8
F-16 block 52+ aka F-16I = 1.1/1.2
F-16 block 60 = 1.3/1.2
F-15A = 1.2/0.5
F-15C = 1.3/0.5
F-15E = 1.4/1.5
F-15S = 1.3/1.4
F-15SG = 1.5/1.5
F-18A = 1/1.1
F-18F = 1.3/1.3
F-2 = 1.3/1.2
F-16AM = 1/08
Mirage 2000 = 1/1
Typhoon (MESA radar) = 1.3/1.1
Rafale (PESA radar) = 1.2/1.2
Tornado IDS = 0.5/1.2
Tornado ADV = 1/0.6
F-4 = 0.4/0.7
F-4 Terminator = 0.6/1
Su-27 = 1.2/0.4
MiG-29 = 0.9/0.5
Su-30MKI = 1.3/1.2
Su-30MKK = 1.2/1.2
MiG-21 aka J7 = 0.3/0.4
MiG-27 = 0.3/0.7
JF-17 = 0.9/0.8
AMX = 0.3/0.5
Mirage F.1 = 0.7/0.8
Mirage 3/5 = 0.3/0.4
Jaguar = 0.2/0.6
F-5 = 0.3/0.4
J-10 = 1/1
J-8 = 0.6/0.4
JH-7 = 0.5/1.1
Q-5 = 0.1/0.4
H-6 = 0/1

E-3, Phalcon, KJ-2000, Boeing 737 = 8/0
Saab, KJ-200 = 6/0
E-2C, ZDK-03 = 4/0

jet tanker = 2/6
KC-130, H-6 tankers = 1/4

Here the results:

UK

86 Typhoon
136 Tornado GR4
AEW&C: 7 E-3
tanker: 4 Tristar, 12 VC-10

260 air to air points/354 air to ground points

France

59 Rafale
158 Mirage 2000
AEW&C: 4 E-3
tanker: 14 KC-135

285/313

Germany

55 Typhoon
177 Tornado IDS
45 F-4
tanker: 4 A310

187/328

Israel

25 F-15I
30 F-15 C/D
30 F-15 A/B
101 F-16I
135 F-16C/D
100 F-16A/B
AEW&C: 4 G550
tanker: 7 KC-707, 5 KC-130

487/466=1440

India

146 Su-30MKI
45 Mirage 2000
68 MiG-29
88 MiG-27ML
152 MiG-21Bis
120 Jaguar
AEW&C: 3 Phalcon
tanker: 7 IL-78MKI

430/491

Turkey

213 F-16 C/D
52 F-4 Terminator 2020
110 F-4
87 F-5
AEW&C: 1 Boeing 737 AEW&C
tanker: 7 KC-135

336/419

Korea

60 F-15K
169 F-16C/D
84 F-4E
170 F-5E
AEW&C: 2 Boeing 737

354/399

Japan

82 F-2
180 F-15C/D
117 F-4E
AEW&C: 4 E-767, 13 E-2C
tanker: 4 KC-767

480/294

Saudi Arabia

72 Typhoon
109 F-15C/D
72 F-15S
87 Tornado IDS
24 Tornado ADV
120 F-5
AEW&C: 5 E-3
tanker: 8 KE-3

488/449

China

190 J-10
100 Su-30MKK
189 Su-27 and J-11
180 J-8
280 J-7 (MiG-21)
60 JH-7
180 Q-5
110 H-6 (Tu-16)
AEW&C: 5 KJ-2000, 2 KJ-200
tanker: 8 IL-78, 10 H-6

859/905

Italy

55 Typhoon
78 Tornado IDS
14 F-16A ADF
55 AMX
tanker: 2 KC-767, 2 KC-130

148/214=510

Spain

32 Typhoon
86 F-18A
24 Mirage F.1
tanker: 2 KC-707, 5 KC-130

154/181

Greece

126 F-16C/D
30 F-16C block 52+
44 Mirage 2000
57 F-4E
AEW&C: 4 Erieye

250/246

Pakistan

50 JF-17
45 F-16A/B
18 F-16C block 52+
75 Mirage III
83 Mirage V
144 F-7
AEW&C: 4 Erieye, 2 ZDK-03

224/219

Egypt

40 F-16A
178 F-16C
18 Mirage 2000
32 F-4E
115 MiG-21 & J-7
60 Mirage V
AEW&C: 8 E-2C

291/320

UAE

79 F-16E
68 Mirage 2000
AEW&C: 2 Saab 340
tanker: 3 Airbus 330

189/181

Canada

103 F-18A
tanker: 2 A-310, 5 KC-130

112/145

Australia

71 F-18A
21 F-18F
AEW&C: 4 Boeing 737
tanker: 3 A330

136/123=395

Singapore

24 F-15SG
54 F-16C
20 F-16C block 52+
49 F-5
AEW&C: 4 G550
tanker: 4 KC-135, 5 KC-130

171/177

Sweden

158 Gripen
AEW&C: 4 Saab 340
tanker: 1 KC-130

183/146

Final points I calculated air-air points*2 + ground points

The final results:

1) USA
2) Russia
3) China - 2623
4) Israel - 1440
5) S. Arabia - 1425
6) India - 1351
7) Japan - 1254
8) Korea - 1107
9) Turkey - 1091
10) Egypt - 902
11) France - 883
12) UK - 874
13) Greece - 746
14) Germany - 702
15) Pakistan - 667
16) UAE - 559
17) Singapore - 519
18) Sweden - 512
19) Italy - 510
20) Spain - 489
21) Australia - 395
22) Canada - 356

This estimate is still subjective does not include personnel quality and UAVs.

Well I hope we can more F-16 with more than 250 + JF17 and around 126 J-10B at least

 

[500]

Maybe because its a 4+ gen fighter, and i heard that it was best among all in a2a except for F-22
So F-15E/SG/K are better than both Rafale and Eurofighter?

Probably u are right I decided to upgrade EFT to 1.4 and Rafale to 1.3 air to air. In addition I added ground points to AWACS:

1) USA - 13247
2) Russia - 3305
3) China - 2975
4) India - 1511
5) Israel - 1331
6) Japan - 1227
7) South Korea - 1201
8) Saudi Arabia - 1147
9) Turkey - 1035
10) France - 1005
11) Taiwan - 972
12) Egypt - 830
13) UK - 825
14) Greece - 770
15) Germany - 677
16) Pakistan - 662
17) Italy - 545
18) Spain - 492
19) UAE - 487
20) Australia - 466
21) Singapore - 460
22) North Korea - 402
23) Ukraine - 347
24) Canada - 323
25) Syria - 297
26) Algeria - 280
27) Sweden - 265
28) Thailand - 264
29) Iran - 265
30) Kazakhstan - 252
31) Poland - 251
32) Vietnam - 248
33) Netherlands - 227
34) Jordan - 208
35) Brazil - 205
36) Uzbekistan - 192
37) Finland - 189
38) Belgium - 165
40) Malaysia - 161
41) Norway - 160
42) Belarus - 150

Ironically only Spain and UAE changed their places.

 

[blackface]

Something is not right. How can Brazil be ranked so low?! I

 

[500]

Something is not right. How can Brazil be ranked so low?! I

Brazil has only 12 4th gen fighters (Mirage 2000). What did u expect?

 

[blackface]

Brazil has only 12 4th gen fighters (Mirage 2000). What did u expect?

What about Rafale?

 

[jarves]

What about Rafale?

Brazil doesnt have Rafales.You rejected it and selected Grippen if i remember correctly.And the list is based on current assests and not on future accquistions.

 

[blackface]

Brazil doesn have Rafales.You rejected it and selected Gripen if i remeber correctly.And the list is based on current assests and not on future acquistions

Ok. With Brazil's GDP it could easily have a top 10 airforce (maybe even top 5) but our threat perception is different. We need militarization to prevent from becoming Yankee backyard!

 

[jarves]

Ok. With Brazil's GDP it could easily have a top 10 airforce (maybe even top 5) but our threat perception is different. We need militarization to prevent from becoming Yankee backyard!

Indeed.I can see a sea change in your post and thinking.Any particular reason for that??

 

[LegionnairE]

F-15 has two times more radar antenna area than F-16.

Our F16s have a radar range of almost 300 kilometers even if the Israeli F15s have 600, it doesn't mean squat. There's no air-to-air missile that can engage a target farther than 300 kilometers on this planet.

Well maintained and armed F-14 is better.

Better than F16 block 10,20... no match for block 50.

As for speed and agility, they don't mean shit really... F15 has more thrust than F22 and nobody gives a ****

 

[500]

Our F16s have a radar range of almost 300 kilometers

LOL, no. The fighter detection of APG-68v(9) is about 95 km. For F-15A its about 120 km range C - more, I even more.

In look down mode u should divide the range by 2. When EW employed even further. Welcome to the real world.

Better than F16 block 10,20... no match for block 50.

F-14A has 160 km fighter detection. F-14D - more.

As for speed and agility, they don't mean shit really...

LOL.

F15 has more thrust than F22 and nobody gives a ****

No, F-22 has more thrust.