Your opinions regarding Afghan Taliban policy vis-a-vis TTP.

[Jungibaaz]

That message wasn't for us to stay away, that message was for us to get involved because it was already said "absolutely not" to the bases. That interview came after our clear stance to put some pressure on us that we need US for TTP(if not Taliban). Unlike Americans, the Taliban are people of their word, they committed with US, and not a single attack on US/Nato forces has happened after that agreement.

And if that message was for us not to get involved then why would CNN air it? because it clearly goes against US interest.

They are clearly sheltering some of the TTP leadership, and allowing statements in order to leverage influence on us. That is exactly what I claimed what was happening in my first post. Anything beyond that, what I may insinuate , and what you're explaining, are our best guesses beyond that point.

 

[imadul]

What line of action do you expect Afghan Taliban to take againt TTP?

a) Go hard against TTP and ensure they are not able to operate against Pakistan.

b) Use TTP as a leverage against Pakistan. Give and take policy to extract maximum concessions from Pakistan

c) Down the line, join TTP as their ideological brethern to implement their version of Sharia across the border.

Pakistan said there are 66 TTP and anti Pakistan training camps in Afghanistan. Spineless army could not eliminate these camps while there was time.
Now Taliban may take action baluch insurgents but not against TTP.

 

[Patriot forever]

I hope that will eventually be the case. But the recently surfaced CNN interview of Noor Wali Mehsud is exactly an example of the Taliban applying their leverage.

Here are some uncomfortable facts for us all to digest (these facts may not be 100% accurate, as the IEA itself isn't a totally homogenous entity): the IEA still does not recognise the Durand Line despite our efforts, they do have unofficial sympathies with the TTP, the presence of the TTP leadership in Afghanistan is at least in part courtesy the IEA, and that most recent interview was doubtlessly given with the consent of the IEA leadership... the message being conveyed by the IEA was not intended for Ghani, or the West, it was for us... a simple "stay on side, or else".

That is very absurd given the new flag introduced by TTP is of ISKP, which Taliban consider animals and kill on sight.

Besides the interview said we dont want Afghanistan territory to attack Pakistan, in response to Afghan Taliban statement.

More of a case of warning given by rivals, probably NDS/RAW.

Afghan Taliban influence on TTP is limited, it has its own hierchy and makes its own decisions like alliance with ISKP. Not to mention the unseen alliance of TTP with PTM, pisteen ordered not to say anything against TTP/ISKP explicitly and targets only Afghan Taliban.

NDS/RAW has alot more influence on TTP than Afghan Taliban, this dictates their relation with other proxies like BLA, ISKP and PTM.

Nkt to mention we should keep an eye out for ethnofascist terrorism which goes un-noticed and is confused most of time by the likes of Pkmap/kakar or ptm, like the recent attack on flag stall in Quetta.

 

[Verve]

But the recently surfaced CNN interview of Noor Wali Mehsud is exactly an example of the Taliban applying their leverage.

TTP will issue statements that CIA/Blackwater want. Its a band of mercenaries ...

And why have you discarded the latest statement of Afghan Taliban re TTP? Basically AT said that TTP are not part of us and they have nothing to do with us either.

 

[Jungibaaz]

That is very absurd given the new flag introduced by TTP is of ISKP, which Taliban consider animals and kill on sight.

Besides the interview said we dont want Afghanistan territory to attack Pakistan.

More of a case of warning given by rivals, probably NDS/RAW.

Afghan Taliban influence on TTP is limited, it has its own hierchy and makes its own decisions like alliance with ISKP. Not to mention the unseen alliance of TTP with PTM, pisteen ordered not to say anything against TTP/ISKP explicitly and targets only Afghan Taliban.

NDS/RAW has alot more influence on TTP than Afghan Taliban, this dictates their relation with other proxies like BLA, ISKP and PTM.

Nkt to mention we should keep an eye out for ethnofascist terrorism which goes un-noticed and is confused most of time by the likes of Pkmap/kakar or ptm, like the recent attack on flag stall in Quetta.

I think you don't recognise how many actors there are at work, and how there are separate factions even today within the TTP. If I'm not mistaken, the Mehsud faction AFAIK did not adopt ISKP, it was Bajaur faction and Afghanistan based estranged elements of TTP. Noor Wali Mehsud belongs to the former, not the latter obviously. Just to give you an idea of the interconnectedness and complexity of the organisations currently fighting alongside the Taliban, we have EMIT, IMU, TTP, Ansarullah etc. Take Ansaraullah as an example. They are Tajik Talibs, and even the IMU for example, they have links with the TTP, and have conducted attacks in Pakistan before, they are currently allied with the IEA and are managing the Northern border with Tajikistan at the IEA's behest. That is the situation today, right as we speak.

You should also recognise that everyone, from SMQ to Mooed Yusuf have pointed out some inconvenient truths about TTP presence in Afghanistan. And that is exactly where the attacks on our security forces are coming from.

We would ideally like IEA to not only disown the TTP, but crackdown on the large numbers of TTP militants in their own ranks even, and the TTP leadership in Afghanistan. We are not at that stage yet, but can aspire to reach there. The recent CNN interview was concerning, what comes later is to be seen.

TTP will issue statements that CIA/Blackwater want. Its a band of mercenaries ...

And why have you discarded the latest statement of Afghan Taliban re TTP? Basically AT said that TTP are not part of us and they have nothing to do with us either.

They've been saying that forever. Read above.

 

[The Accountant]

I hope that will eventually be the case. But the recently surfaced CNN interview of Noor Wali Mehsud is exactly an example of the Taliban applying their leverage.

Here are some uncomfortable facts for us all to digest (these facts may not be 100% accurate, as the IEA itself isn't a totally homogenous entity): the IEA still does not recognise the Durand Line despite our efforts, they do have unofficial sympathies with the TTP, the presence of the TTP leadership in Afghanistan is at least in part courtesy the IEA, and that most recent interview was doubtlessly given with the consent of the IEA leadership... the message being conveyed by the IEA was not intended for Ghani, or the West, it was for us... a simple "stay on side, or else".

Brother u r claiming that CNN which is presenting taliban is invaders has taken approval of taliban before noor wali interview?

If u go through interviews and details of insiders of the period when TTP was created u will find out that even the name of ttp was given by CIA whereas the proposed name of Ttp was different.

Ttp and taliban have nothing in common but the name. Recently there r lot of assasinations of bla and ttp that is becaus of support of taliban.

Ttp is asset of cia and was under influence of nds and raw. Whereas taliban are anti Cia, nds and raw.

 

[Baghial]

The official line from Taliban is that they have updated their version of shari'ah law according more to the Islamic roots of justice and equality for all including women. Their leadership stated that they made "mistakes" in the 1990s. Hopefully, they mean it.

the frst news comming out of AGHWA- NISTAN TALIB,S

they are banning the covid vaccine,




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[SQ8]

Afghan Taliban will use the TTP presence as leverage against us, but in the long run we can craft policy such that eventually they are not allowed even the minutest amount of space.

Lest we forget the hijacking of buses and other coercion to get Pakistan to give assets and other concessions.

 

[Baghial]

Brother u r claiming that CNN which is presenting taliban is invaders has taken approval of taliban before noor wali interview?

If u go through interviews and details of insiders of the period when TTP was created u will find out that even the name of ttp was given by CIA whereas the proposed name of Ttp was different.

Ttp and taliban have nothing in common but the name. Recently there r lot of assasinations of bla and ttp that is becaus of support of taliban.

Ttp is asset of cia and was under influence of nds and raw. Whereas taliban are anti Cia, nds and raw.

talib,s are older version of ISIS

They are clearly sheltering some of the TTP leadership, and allowing statements in order to leverage influence on us. That is exactly what I claimed what was happening in my first post. Anything beyond that, what I may insinuate , and what you're explaining, are our best guesses beyond that point.

soon the talib,s will start selling, 70% high tech usa, equipment . captured, to every , ,,,,, boko haram university around the globe,

 

[fitpOsitive]

What line of action do you expect Afghan Taliban to take againt TTP?

a) Go hard against TTP and ensure they are not able to operate against Pakistan.

b) Use TTP as a leverage against Pakistan. Give and take policy to extract maximum concessions from Pakistan

c) Down the line, join TTP as their ideological brethern to implement their version of Sharia across the border.

After USAs Withdrawal, ttp is literary hopeless. And while you compare ttp with afghan talibs, you basically are comparing completely different fabrics like silk vs cotton.
In Afghanistan, we really need to eliminate all Indian and other agents, help in modernize talibs and should try to convince them to adopt some modern social behaviours.
Our main goal should be to make Afghans lives easy while saving ours' on the same time.

 

[Patriot forever]

I think you don't recognise how many actors there are at work, and how there are separate factions even today within the TTP. If I'm not mistaken, the Mehsud faction AFAIK did not adopt ISKP, it was Bajaur faction and Afghanistan based estranged elements of TTP. Noor Wali Mehsud belongs to the former, not the latter obviously. Just to give you an idea of the interconnectedness and complexity of the organisations currently fighting alongside the Taliban, we have EMIT, IMU, TTP, Ansarullah etc. Take Ansaraullah as an example. They are Tajik Talibs, and even the IMU for example, they have links with the TTP, and have conducted attacks in Pakistan before, they are currently allied with the IEA and are managing the Northern border with Tajikistan at the IEA's behest. That is the situation today, right as we speak.

You should also recognise that everyone, from SMQ to Mooed Yusuf have pointed out some inconvenient truths about TTP presence in Afghanistan. And that is exactly where the attacks on our security forces are coming from.

We would ideally like IEA to not only disown the TTP, but crackdown on the large numbers of TTP militants in their own ranks even, and the TTP leadership in Afghanistan. We are not at that stage yet, but can aspire to reach there. The recent CNN interview was concerning, what comes later is to be seen.


They've been saying that forever. Read above.

Yes exactly, we need to consider aswell that TTP itself is a group of different factions, and most of it is managed by NDS/RAW ( The first time NDS managed major inroads in TTP was after Baitullah death around in 2011, Fazlullah was highly under influence of NDS/RAW.)
Not all the factions of TTP act the same, the current TTP and its alliance with ISKP is a clear indicarion which part is dominant at this point.
We should also consider that whenever Afghan Taliban inflence on certain head of TTP reached a point that TTP became a threat to ANDSF, drone strike killed that head. TTP has been nurtured by external agencies over a period of time that it became mostly a name that is carried forward.

That is exactly my point, like some see TTP is not entirely influenced by Afghan Taliban, only some factions of it. Especially after it was reconfigured after 2016 split.

Afghan Taliban have not acted decisively against it due to risk of infighting, especially when they were weak and under constant attack. They gathered all the help they can get. How they behave after gaining strength and governemnt is entirely speculative ( Afghanistan interests is more likely to take a precedence over old relations or traditions to my understanding from sofar what they have said ). Pakistan needs to support them if they desire in order to accomplish that, they have shown the will. Frankly TTP and other such groups have become more a liability for them as they gain more and more strength and diplomatic recognition, the last thing they want is to jeopardise that.

 

[The Accountant]

talib,s are older version of ISIS



soon the talib,s will start selling, 70% high tech usa, equipment . captured, to every , ,,,,, boko haram university around the globe,

Ur statement proves u know nothing about taliban.

Please read about mullah umar and taliban the real life history rather than cnn and bbc.

 

[Sayfullah]

Mullah Omar view on TTP

 

[Pak Nationalist]

What line of action do you expect Afghan Taliban to take againt TTP?

a) Go hard against TTP and ensure they are not able to operate against Pakistan.

b) Use TTP as a leverage against Pakistan. Give and take policy to extract maximum concessions from Pakistan

c) Down the line, join TTP as their ideological brethern to implement their version of Sharia across the border.

"b" and "c" are more likely. It is getting frustrating seeing fellow countrymen hail TTA advances in Afghanistan. I do not want them to face embarrassment when they see no letup to terrorism in Pakistan and maybe even its amplification by the operational flexibility TTP would be afforded by the TTA (their ideological brethren).

 

[Clutch]

the frst news comming out of AGHWA- NISTAN TALIB,S

they are banning the covid vaccine,

Sounds like the American Republican party and Trump supporters.... However...

I refuse to believe any 1st made-up news coming from Afghanistan.... It's 99.99% BS due to Western sour grapes ...

They are still in the middle of a war campaign.... The dust hasn't settled yet...

Let's see