War game suggests Chinese invasion of Taiwan would fail at a huge cost to US, Chinese and Taiwanese militaries

[antonius123]

https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/134809/airmen-ready-to-rapidly-repair-runways/


Apparently the DF-41 fanboys haven’t heard of them.
1 hour 47 minutes is their goal to take a cratered runway and have it back to operational status


Please read up on runway repair teams so you too can add intellectual value. Runway repair isn’t repairing your home’s driveway.
https://www.187fw.ang.af.mil/Portals/1/documents/COVID-19/UTA Trainings/CES - ADR Overview Narrative.pdf?ver=2020-04-10-145504-683

https://www.erdc.usace.army.mil/Med...6447/11-step-program-repairs-airfield-damage/

Within 2 hours they are conducting taxi tests on large craters. 6 hours is the standard timeframe when teams are not deployed to go from nil to deployed and repaired for flight ops.
During a conflict these teams would be on high alert.
So good luck believing in the DF-41 to “destroy runways”

You simplify the problem.
You are assuming that the airbase only hit by 1 DF-26 or hit once, and equate the DF-26 impact as only limited to the the standard bomb that create simple crater. The question is: the 6 hours time is to fix how severely damage runway?

Consider China has thousands DF-26 and not to mention DF-26 could be nuclear warhead too

 

[antonius123]

Materials are literally in the airfield already, working process is literally just dumping it into the hole and liquid physics will do the rest with maybe some evening in need, whole process takes a few hours at most

To fix how many and deep crater? DF-26 can penetrate deeply, and another DF-26 could come again during the 6 hours time for China to buy enough time to secure her position.

 

[SQ8]

You simplify the problem.
You are assuming that the airbase only hit by 1 DF-26 or hit once, and equate the DF-26 impact as only limited to the the standard bomb that create simple crater. The question is: the 6 hours time is to fix how severely damage runway?

Consider China has thousands DF-26 and not to mention DF-26 could be nuclear warhead too

Now you are obfuscating the issue - you initially said that DF-26 will only be used against runways and that will destroy the base.
Then when told runway repair teams can fix that you are asking standard bomb or otherwise - please read the links again - those teams aim to fix any damage from a variety of damage within 6 hours.

Now you are making up China has thousands of DF-26 and then saying it has nukes? So which is it? If China has “thousands upon thousands” of what aren’t free weapons and cost the Chinese military millions. And it is going to use thousand of these against US bases then why does it need a nuke? And if a nuke is used does it think that the US SSBNs on patrol or land based silo systems are kept for firework shows on the 4th of July?

You are running in circles accusing others of lack of intellectual discussion yet are barely making one yourself.

Clearly, the Chinese IRBMs represent a big threat - there is NO DISAGREEMENT on that.
But that also translates to delaying or attriting US and allied forces - not silver bullets to ensure victory. The DF-26s can very well impact operations for a few hours at key support based and no doubt will give Chinese forces breathing room to perhaps mount a quick decisive offensive in some places - but it will not end the war nor ensure victory

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

The study says that Taiwan will fall to China under 3 months.

US-China have been great allies.

US recognizes Taiwan as part of China as part of her one China policy.

US made good amount of money selling arms to Taiwan.

Now that TSMC has moved to US, Taiwan is no longer useful to the US and Taiwan no longer has money buy the US arrms.

The temporary relationship between US and Taiwan is coming to an end.

 

[antonius123]

Now you are obfuscating the issue - you initially said that DF-26 will only be used against runways and that will destroy the base.
Then when told runway repair teams can fix that you are asking standard bomb or otherwise - please read the links again - those teams aim to fix any damage from a variety of damage within 6 hours.

Now you are making up China has thousands of DF-26 and then saying it has nukes? So which is it? If China has “thousands upon thousands” of what aren’t free weapons and cost the Chinese military millions. And it is going to use thousand of these against US bases then why does it need a nuke? And if a nuke is used does it think that the US SSBNs on patrol or land based silo systems are kept for firework shows on the 4th of July?

You are running in circles accusing others of lack of intellectual discussion yet are barely making one yourself.

Clearly, the Chinese IRBMs represent a big threat - there is NO DISAGREEMENT on that.
But that also translates to delaying or attriting US and allied forces - not silver bullets to ensure victory. The DF-26s can very well impact operations for a few hours at key support based and no doubt will give Chinese forces breathing room to perhaps mount a quick decisive offensive in some places - but it will not end the war nor ensure victory

Really..? when did I say DF-26 is only aimed against "runway" and China will only launch single DF-26 against 1 base for runway only - as her military doctrine? it is obviously a stupid assumption applied for a total war scenario ; and either you have reading comprehension problem, or I am afraid it is you that obfuscating the issue.

I am running on circle what ....? you brag claim about 2 to 6 hour runway repair then I am asking you. Because I haven't seen why this repair runway could be really effective solution during total war against China with her DF-26 etc, so I am curious now.... you owe me explanation for this

Btw it is you who brag so many accusations, dont turn things around please.
It is not me who accuse one as "dumb" here... please read this thread carefully.

 

[gambit]

Apparently the DF-41 fanboys haven’t heard of them.
1 hour 47 minutes is their goal to take a cratered runway and have it back to operational status

The Durandal runway denial bomb is not secret. But the problem for these ya-hoos is their overconfidence and arrogance of their limited knowledge.

If you see an airplane with a three blade props, then another airplane with a four blade props, the smart thing is to find out why is there a difference. The world has the helicopter, but why came the tilt rotors? Smart people would start digging for more info. Our man is not smart.

Within 2 hours they are conducting taxi tests on large craters. 6 hours is the standard timeframe when teams are not deployed to go from nil to deployed and repaired for flight ops.
During a conflict these teams would be on high alert.
So good luck believing in the DF-41 to “destroy runways”

The (delusional) premise here is that China have so much Dung Fling missiles that there is no need to perform battle damage assessment (BDA). Therefore, no time for runway repairs. Never mind that China have literally no war experience in this specialized combat task.

 

[jhungary]

https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/134809/airmen-ready-to-rapidly-repair-runways/


Apparently the DF-41 fanboys haven’t heard of them.
1 hour 47 minutes is their goal to take a cratered runway and have it back to operational status


Please read up on runway repair teams so you too can add intellectual value. Runway repair isn’t repairing your home’s driveway.
https://www.187fw.ang.af.mil/Portals/1/documents/COVID-19/UTA Trainings/CES - ADR Overview Narrative.pdf?ver=2020-04-10-145504-683

https://www.erdc.usace.army.mil/Med...6447/11-step-program-repairs-airfield-damage/

Within 2 hours they are conducting taxi tests on large craters. 6 hours is the standard timeframe when teams are not deployed to go from nil to deployed and repaired for flight ops.
During a conflict these teams would be on high alert.
So good luck believing in the DF-41 to “destroy runways”

Runway denial is only "Profitable" if you can mount a follow on assault and capture that Airfield. Otherwise, you can keep bombing it and it may or may not hit its target, but it would be pretty much who can last longer, the engineer team that fix the runway or the inventory of your missile.

Russia tried to do that to Gostomel Airport NW of Kyiv at the beginning of the war. They send sorties after sorties of combine Missile and Fighter Bomber, followed with Gunship and Air Aassault troop. They failed to take the objective in a timely manner, which mean the Ukrainian had denied them long enough to taken out infrastructure.

 

[antonius123]

Runway denial is only "Profitable" if you can mount a follow on assault and capture that Airfield. Otherwise, you can keep bombing it and it may or may not hit its target, but it would be pretty much who can last longer, the engineer team that fix the runway or the inventory of your missile.

Russia tried to do that to Gostomel Airport NW of Kyiv at the beginning of the war. They send sorties after sorties of combine Missile and Fighter Bomber, followed with Gunship and Air Aassault troop. They failed to take the objective in a timely manner, which mean the Ukrainian had denied them long enough to taken out infrastructure.

You are talking about China's industrial/manufacturing power to reproduce missile during wartime vs American Officer's dilligence in Okinawa/Osan/Kunsan in repairing runway.

@SQ8 @gambit @Beny Karachun come... there is party about IQ

 

[jhungary]

You are talking about China's industrial/manufacturing power to reproduce missile during wartime vs American Officer's dilligence in Okinawa/Osan/Kunsan in repairing runway.

@SQ8 @gambit @Beny Karachun come... there is party about IQ

LOL, did you even know why I post that video?? Or you just copy without thinking why I post that to begin with Like most of your content??

Let me give you a hint. Which song were they singing in the video??



And Well, I will give you a post more subtle, in case you don't get what I meant again.

 

[antonius123]

LOL, did you even know why I post that video?? Or you just copy without thinking why I post that to begin with Like most of your content??

Let me give you a hint. Which song were they singing in the video??



And Well, I will give you a post more subtle, in case you don't get what I meant again.

Mmmpphhh .... dont care abt the content of your video ; I think I have commented that there is no intellectual value could be derived from that reply of yours. Didn't watch either, so?

I think none could be derived from this last one too; so pls dont expect me to watch on this too.... don't care

 

[Oldman1]

Cool story bro

Yeah when the Pentagon publish wargames where the U.S. loses to China, you think its the best freaking story ever and needs to be talked about for decades to come!

 

[S10]

Yeah when the Pentagon publish wargames where the U.S. loses to China, you think its the best freaking story ever and needs to be talked about for decades to come!

Cool story bro, find that shit where I said that.

 

[gambit]

Please regale us with the wonderful victories after WW2 of Murica using their specialize combat task .
Murica scored resounding victories at Panama and Nicaragua and Grenada.

Did Murica with their much trumpeted specialised combat task won in Korea and Dugout Doug got his boys back by Christmas?
Murica with speicalize combat task won in Vietnam?

I have no problems 'agreeing' with you that the US 'lost' every war since WW II.

USA remembered what happened when they encountered Chinese even though most of the Chinese had only single shot bolt action rifle against USA battleships and artillery and Ma Deuces and unlimited ammo.

USA blinked and blinked and tail between legs and did not have the cojones to cross.

AND NOW USA KNOW CHINA GOT LOTS OF BANG AND LONGER REACH THEN USA CAN DREAM OF.

AND ANY TIME USA WANT TO TURN PUSHING INTO REAL SHOVING, CHINA WILL BE MORE THAN READY AND WILLING TO TANGO

That long post with a lot of pictures of the US 'lost' in war must be impressive. Have the Pakistani military hired you as a consultant yet?

 

[Beny Karachun]

You are talking about China's industrial/manufacturing power to reproduce missile during wartime vs American Officer's dilligence in Okinawa/Osan/Kunsan in repairing runway.

@SQ8 @gambit @Beny Karachun come... there is party about IQ

What makes you think any attacking force would not prioritize on taking out China's ballistic missile usage and production capabilities?

 

[jhungary]

What makes you think any attacking force would not prioritize on taking out China's ballistic missile usage and production capabilities?

lol, don't forget long/short range SSM, Harpoon and cruise missile.

In my war game, Taiwan launches almost all their stock toward Chinese at the onset of the war, that delay a subsequent wave for attack for quite some time. There are wide range of Cruise missile Taiwan uses, it range from 600km to 1000km.