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SAS Troops (Navy EOD) on the deck of A-577 TCG Sokullu Mehmet Paşa as the flag ship of NATO Standing NATO Mine Countermeasures Group 2 (SNMCMG2) during the joint naval trainings in the Mediterranean sea

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Why the most professional, trained elitte soldiers or killers use M4 5,56mm caliber? If 5,56mm couldnt penetrate or kill, why SAS would prefer (and other special forces in the world)
I am only laughing to somebodies who tell 5,56x45mm caliber doesnt enough for Turkish Army :)))))

Moreover , Average Turkish people not high-strong and sportive, so how do they controll the recoil of burst fire .308caliber?
SASs know best!
 
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Dear
Different between m16 and m4 not only lenght.
M4 has modified mechanism.


Also M4 has different type of lenght burrels.
in your picture m4 burrel very short, nearly 11".

Polis Ozel Harekat generally uses M16.
M16 older and cheaper.:)

And USA SWAT has given up use HK MP5 inside of buildings and in narrow corridors. they have already started use M4 short burrel 10.5 " inside of buildind.
In Usa and many countries for civils semiauto rifle with burrels shorter than 14" are forbidden.
 
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Firstly,it's not M4. It's Colt M727 which is carbine version of the M16A2. Premature version of the M4 series which don't has rail attached upper receiver with aluminium CAR-15 type stock and several small differences. Both SAT and Maroon Berets changed their old M727 models with M4 and Hk416A5 rifles but SAS are still using them with the M4s in limited numbers.

PÖH is using SIG 516 Patrol rifles with the Sarsılmaz made M4A1s as standrat service rifle. They bought 5.000 SIG516 rifles to change their old M16 variants. Check the previous PÖH images ofthis thread, they are all using SIG516. M16s are used still in PÖH trainings but thats all...

Ans also try to do CQB with a 20" barreled rifle. I bet you will very enjoy.

Secondly. 5.56 carbine rifles are much more suitable to special forces, wich are more ligtht, compact and easy to control with more rate of fire.The troops like special forces, they got much more spesific equipment for the special missions and longer mission times unlike the other infantry types. So they can carry more equipment and ammo. Also the 7.62 rifles have less stopping power under the 200 metres range because of their kynetic energy remains high in close distance and they can't spread in the body, just ream unlike the 5.56 rifles.

Also with the M885A1 ammunition which is usinb by us army since 2010, 5.56 ammunution became only 16 joule less lethal than a standart 7.62 NATO ammunition. So with this facts, 7.62 is only advandegeous as used in squad support roles like DMRs, sniper rifles and general purpose machine guns. It's not just only for us. The rest of the modern world is also uses 5.56 ol similar ammunuion (like 5.45 or 5.8mm) because of all this stuff...

"Kontrolsüz güç güç değildir"

Also the weapon preferences of the SWAT teams changes state to state. I saw HK 53, SIG SG550 series, Micro Galil, HK416 and HK G36Cs als well as M4s and local AR-15 clones. But for the FBI SWAT and HRT teams, M4 and HK416s are popular to use...
 
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@-DENO- Does man stop effect not depend on ammo ? I had a SIG P 226 with lapua hollow ammo in hand , we tested and shot through a massive brick wall in an abondoned house. It penetrated through and we found the projectile in the next house floor wall, it was opened like a mushroom and flat. I can send you the pic of the Lapua 9mm ammo. Hollow copper head. We tested it against full steel original Winchester, even the gun sound was an other. The Lapua ammo sounded like the sound of a blinding grenade. Does Lapua use Special Powder ?
 
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Americans are actually expecting zombie attacks with hollowpoints ammos:) But i've never seen any ammos aside from full metal jacket in my life.:)
Bizim suclumuza, teroristimize fmj cok bile.
Hollow point shouldn't have piercing effect? Thats why security forces use holliwpoint.it is verry interesting. if your wall verry thin, its possible.
Amerikada evler ucuz ve ince malzemeden yapildigi icin millet fmj ve yuksek cikis hizli delici niteligi yuksek kullanmiyormus.
Amerikaya kacak giden bir hemserim alltaki zencilerin vmcatismasina kurban olmus. ust katta uykusunda mermi delip buna girmis.
.45 acp sevmelerinin sebebide bu diyorlar.
 
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Police SF (PÖH)

From the Anatolian Agecy's war reporter trainings...


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From the terror operations in Nusaybin

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@-DENO- Dude, may I ask you ?

Here is the comparable image of deformation and similar bullet shape,
unfortunately i couldn't find the Lapua ammo we tested in WEB , I believe it is now restricted like Speer Gold Dot.

But I will later publish the package, it was 9mm ammo from the 90's;
but I would tend to say a special design- first penetrating and then folding.
Is it technical possible that they build a two stage folding projectile.
I really can not imagine the powder. Is it possible that some nitrocellulose or other added propellant was in the cartridge case ?

The sound after firing was incredible, much much more louder than an 357 magnum bullet.

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I can't say anything about hollow-points. I don't know tem very well. But one think ı'm sure that they are not suitable to military & LE use because of their low muzzle velocity and penetration power. Same as the 9mm sub-sonic ammo. It's much more effective than 5.56 or 7.62 in close distance because of it's silence and spread effect in body. But thanks to it's low speed ıt quickly spreads when it's fired against a target who back to a door, window or a shutter.

For Ex. in JÖAK, they use 9mm subsonic on their MP5A3s and MP5SDs with the combined with FN P90s. The 5.7mm ammo used by P90 -specially designed to penetrate armour vests- has superior muzzle velocity and penetration power. But it's effect on the targets without vests are less than .22 WM. So they used this two weapons combined to eliminate their weak sides...
 
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Thanks bro. I am impressed about your weapon knowledge. :sniper:
A bro of us Sifu Sa.Av. is chief instructor for near combat of German Special Forces.
I am a friend of retired Turkish SAT commander Namik Ekin .
He was in the 80's security chief of KLM - Dutch for Türkiye.
Thx again.
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Subsonic ammunition for suppressors:) Over the sonic speed everthing changes.
Bu arada susturucu veya ses azaltici turkce hangisi daha dogru bilmiyorum ancak Ukrayna'da sivillere serbest. Lazimsa temin edilir. Yag filtresinden herkesler yapmaya calisiyor.
Ayrica termal kamera- gece gorus kamerasida serbest. talepleriniz alinir:)

Pazarlama kismi tabii ki saka.

 
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Quoted -Deno-

"Same as the 9mm sub-sonic ammo. It's much more effective than 5.56 or 7.62 in close distance because of it's silence and spread effect in body."

I will publish the box, it was no silent ammo. Maybe you will identify the ammo.
 
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@UkroTurk Ok. I understand, you can offer them to secret services; but they have already "Noise suppressors" - in Turkish SUSTURUCU.

M4 surpressor

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SIG -226

with surpressor and lamp , aiming devices available

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