The Balance of Air power in Sub-continent considering latest inductions of Platforms / capabilities by PAF

[nahtanbob]

Most countries outside of the western bloc are still in the Russian defense procurement bloc, or at least were until CAATSA and the Ukraine war; Vietnam, Algeria (which sent back fighters), at times Egypt to some extent which cancelled an order for Russian jets due to CAATSA.

Iraq has been considering the JF-17 recently and not for a lack of funds or options.

The JF-17 in the form of the Block 3 has only now achieved a level of capability which interest many nations; Azerbaijan, Argentina, Iraq, with Nigeria looking to make an order beyond its initial 3 once the Block 3 is available.

A reliable Chinese engine is another thing some countries might be holding out for; a one stop option to prevent a disruption of spares and maintenance in the wake of the Ukraine war.

For many other nations, the prospect of war seemed slim, so in the era of economic troubles many developing nations didn’t want to spend on military modernization, it as the sudden Sudan civil war has shown, these things can flare up out of nowhere and having a small loyal Air Force (even one squadron near the capital could be decisive) can be the difference between air superiority/and order vs. a prolonged civil war. If a jet is seen as being a decisive factor in the outcome of a war it could boost sales as well; as was said to be the case with the increase in Harrier sale to India, after it had only acquired a handful before the Falklands war.

Speaking of conflicts that could flare up; if Britain is seen as a declining military power, and to push back for potentially enhanced British support for Taiwan, China could finance a sale of the JF-17 to Argentina, to increase the pressure on the Brits vis a vi the Falklands.

Politics and economics play more of a role then the technical capabilities of any key in question.

Chinese weapon systems are not mature. That includes JF-17 including most of the subsystems. The JF-17 might inspire some confidence if the PLAAF choose to induct it. There is no two ways about it.

 

[CSAW]

Airpower induction for CAS / Anti Armour Cover

https://twitter.com/x/status/1650860057951879168

 

[CSAW]

Chinese weapon systems are not mature. That includes JF-17 including most of the subsystems. The JF-17 might inspire some confidence if the PLAAF choose to induct it. There is no two ways about it.

There are varying opinions hence many angles to look at the same story.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1649979076210458624

https://twitter.com/x/status/1649988814520348673

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Regarding maturity , It comes with age , experience , selling etc.
Example KAI T-50 or KF-21 are starters and would mature with time only.

There are different Customer segments in market and not all products are meant for all markets.

Chinese defense exports and its industrial growth is well documented.

https://asianews.network/china-increasing-arms-exports-to-middle-east-and-eastern-europe/

Chinese doctrine is not suited for induction of Thunder.

The Block by Block adopted for Jf-17 & It has surely seen AERIAL / GROUND action during almost 2 decades of service.
Its most sub systems are taken from Matured Chinese products.

With JF-17C & Dual Seat variant with all the capabilities incl Stand off weapons - The potential to compete is there ...

Thanks

 

[CSAW]

How Air-To-Air Missiles Have Completely Changed The Dynamics Of Aerial Battles As Dogfighting Takes A Back Seat

"....More modern infrared-guided missiles can detect the heat of an aircraft’s skin, warmed by airflow friction, in addition to the fainter heat signature of the engine when the aircraft is seen from the side or head-on. This, combined with more excellent maneuverability, gives them an all-aspect capability.

The pilot can also use a helmet-mounted sight (HMS) to slew the missile seeker’s head towards the target for an off-boresight launch. The medium and long-range missiles are beyond visual range (BVR) AAMs. These use active or semi-active radar guidance, sometimes combined with inertial guidance.

The Meteor is a European active radar-guided BVR AAM developed and manufactured by MBDA. It can also engage small targets such as UAVs and cruise missiles in a heavy electronic countermeasures (ECM) environment with a maximum range of around 180 km.

It flies at Mach 4, and the solid-fueled ramjet motor provides the missile with thrust and mid-course acceleration to target intercept. A two-way data link enables the launch aircraft to provide mid-course target updates or retargeting, including data from off-board third parties.

Meteor Missile - Lethal Air Combat BVR Air-To-Air Missile By MBDA

Meteor Missile is an Active Radar Guided, Beyond Visual Range BVR, Air-To-Air Missile (BVRAAM) system. MBDA Systems made Meteor missile.

www.worlddefencenews.com

The No-Escape Zone is the zone within which there is a high (defined) kill probability against a target even if it has been alerted. This zone is defined as a conical shape with the tip at the missile launch. The cone's length and width are determined by the missile and seeker performance.
A missile's speed, range and seeker sensitivity will mostly determine the length of this imaginary cone, while its agility (turn rate) and seeker complexity (speed of detection and ability to detect off axis targets) will determine the width of the cone.

According to MBDA, Meteor has three to six times the kinetic performance of current AAMs. This nearly 2 million dollars missile has the highest no-escape distance of 60 km.

Chinese PL-15 is an active radar-guided long-range AAM first test fired in 2011. It entered PLAAF service around 2017 and currently arms the Chengdu J-10C, the Shenyang J-16, and the Shenyang J-11B, and the Chengdu J-20, JF-17 Block III, replacing the earlier PL-12. The Mach 4+ missile reportedly has a range between 200 and 300 km.

The PL-21 is an active radar-guided long-range AAM reportedly comparable to the American AIM-260 JATM and the Russian R-37. Powered by a ramjet, it has an estimated range of over 300 km.

Astra is an Indian BVR AAM developed by the DRDO which can engage targets up to 110 km range. Astra Mk-1 has already been integrated on IAF’s Su-30MKI and will be integrated on Mirage 2000, LCA Tejas, and MiG-29. Bharat Dynamics Limited (BDL) is a production agency. Each missile will cost around Rs 7–8 crore. "

How Air-To-Air Missiles Have Completely Changed The Dynamics Of Aerial Battles As Dogfighting Takes A Back Seat

Analysis By Air Marshal Anil Chopra (retd) The latest use of an Air-to-Air missile (AAM) was by the US Northern Command F-22 Raptor fighter jet launching an AIM-9X Sidewinder missile to take down a car-sized object flying above Alaska on February 10. The same combination of jet and missile...

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[Zhukov]

There have never any doubt about Pak Air force and its capabilities from the start. The only doubts were in 46 inch thick brains of some Indians. But the problem is Economy, Political Ambitions of Army and Industrial capacity.

 

[NagaBaba]

they should dvelop the anti missile

eg. if the enemy missile firing, then.. firing back anti missile at the ENEMY missile.

country of Israel is doing this with ground base IRONS DOME anti missile system

aerial miniature iron dome system should be fixed on the fighter jets, both left and right side pylon.

 

[CSAW]

IAF FUTURE FIGHTER JET FLEET LAYOUT

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- Heavy Role would be fulfilled with Su-30MKI pushed through the "Super Sukhoi Upgrades", approx 267 numbers including Stand off capability

- Light role Tejas MK-1 Point defense Approx 40

- Tejas MK-1A 83+50 in Package / Multi role / defensive roles

-Tejas MK-2 as a Canard Strike Jet ala Mirage-2000 approx 108

- Omni Role Rafale [36]& Rafale-M [26]more induction for Air Superiority / Carrier Naval Operations roles

In late August 2022, the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) accorded full sanction to the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA)’s Tejas Mk2 fighter project with a fresh allocation of Rs 6,500 crore. Coming some nine months after the Indian Air Force endorsed CDR of Tejas MK-2.

Tejas Mk2’s upgraded features also make it a technological and industrial bridge to India’s fifth-generation advanced medium combat aircraft (AMCA) effort, since the new sub-systems delineated above are a part of the latter’s repertoire."

Thereafter say 2032 - 2035 ; HAL TEDBF & AMCA

 

[FuturePAF]

Chinese weapon systems are not mature. That includes JF-17 including most of the subsystems. The JF-17 might inspire some confidence if the PLAAF choose to induct it. There is no two ways about it.

Sure, it would have helped, but the sub-systems and munitions are similar to those on other platforms. The JF-17 is too short legged for China’s need. Most customers don’t have the need for a fighter like the J-10, which is also why that hasn’t sold much either.

Maturation of their domestic engines may change that soon, and be the deciding factor after politics and a customers ability to afford to buy the jets. Therefore the J-35’s export variant may sell well abroad with the JF-17 sharing the same engine being sold as the trainer or non-stealthy close air support aircraft alongside the 5th Gen jet.

For years Argentina has had this desire, but haven’t been able to do to their economic condition. A Chinese sale with east terms could increase the pressure on Britain if that is ever desired by Beijing.

Argentina, China Could Jointly Develop Fighters

London's successful blocking of the Gripen fighter sale to Argentina appears to have done little to stop Buenos Aires' determination to replace its aging attack and fighter fleet. Nor has it halted its threats to use force to "liberate" the Malvinas (Falkland) Islands from British control. In...

defence.pk

 

[CSAW]

WS-19 POWER PLANT

THE NEXT POTENTIAL CANDIDATE FOR JF-17 THUNDER FUTURE ITERATION


"China has completed the development of its next generation of indigenous military aircraft engines and will start mass production once supply chain issues with advanced alloys are resolved, according to a senior official from a local aerospace materials research facility.

Speaking at an aviation investment summit in Tianjin, China, on March 17, Zhang Yong, a project leader at the Beijing Institute of Aeronautical Materials, told the audience that developmental bottlenecks for the WS-19 and WS-20 turbofans as well as an unidentified next-generation engine have been surmounted.

The WS-19 afterburning turbofan with 110KN Thrust is now at production stages to power the Shenyang J-35, a next-generation fighter jet meant to operate from aircraft carriers for China’s People’s Liberation Army Navy."

 

[CSAW]

26th April 2023 :

Pakistan Airforce Tip of Spear the Omni role J-10CP in Tactical camouflage conducting flypast rehearsals for upcoming passing out ceremony which is going to be held on PAF Academy Asghar Khan, Risalpur

https://twitter.com/x/status/1651175062748135424

 

[nomi007]

Swift Retort 2.0 will be much more interested.

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

Well you were at the receiving end of the jf17 on 27th Feb. It was mature enough to drill u a spare butt hole. Now the block 3 will make u a whore

It is a claim by Pakistan that India was defeated on 27th February and that two Indian jets, one Su-30 and one MiG-21, were downed. However, this is just a Pakistani claim, similar to their claims of victory in the 1965 and Kargil wars. Additionally, the MiG-21 was downed in Pakistani airspace, so India had violated Pakistani airspace not only in Balakot but also on 27th February. There is nothing in the air skirmish of 27th February that makes Pakistan victorious.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Airpower induction for CAS / Anti Armour Cover

https://twitter.com/x/status/1650860057951879168

As for the PA, 11-ton T-929 ATAK-2's engine has been powered on with the 1st flight being projected to be within a couple of weeks:

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

With stealthy tailless turbofan powered and AI controlled ANKA-3 carrying "Super Shimshek" kamikaze turbojet drones the PAF can pulverize the Indian AD...

Another "Turkish Delight" for the PAF: ramjet propelled GOK-HAN (The Khan of the Sky) projected to out perform Meteor...

 

[nahtanbob]

Sure, it would have helped, but the sub-systems and munitions are similar to those on other platforms. The JF-17 is too short legged for China’s need. Most customers don’t have the need for a fighter like the J-10, which is also why that hasn’t sold much either.

Maturation of their domestic engines may change that soon, and be the deciding factor after politics and a customers ability to afford to buy the jets. Therefore the J-35’s export variant may sell well abroad with the JF-17 sharing the same engine being sold as the trainer or non-stealthy close air support aircraft alongside the 5th Gen jet.

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For years Argentina has had this desire, but haven’t been able to do to their economic condition. A Chinese sale with east terms could increase the pressure on Britain if that is ever desired by Beijing.

Argentina, China Could Jointly Develop Fighters

London's successful blocking of the Gripen fighter sale to Argentina appears to have done little to stop Buenos Aires' determination to replace its aging attack and fighter fleet. Nor has it halted its threats to use force to "liberate" the Malvinas (Falkland) Islands from British control. In...

defence.pk

lol ...

Argentina-China joint development is the same story as Pakistan-China joint development

Argentina has been broke for decades. they never change

the future of JF-17 can change but right now it is what it is