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F-35 is never never never gonna replace F-15. No army could afford the risk of retiring battle proved twin-engines beast and start new one with all the bet. If this is the case, it will be F-22, just leave F-35 alone.

Correct, 1000% corect assesment!
Peoples on this fourm , hve great obsesion with single engine fighter jets, they always afraid & dislikes even the concept of a twin engine super air fighters , they always comes up with false points to mis-guide others!twin engine super modren F22 raptor , which is & surly will be the back bone of USAF in decades to come?

Just look it , how many single engine fighters could stand against raptor, even in USAF?
F-22 RAPTOR

Posted 5/8/2012 Printable Fact Sheet
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Air Force officials have received authorization from Congress for more F-22 Raptors. Some 90 Raptors have been delivered to the Air Force to date. The 478th Aeronautical Systems Wing at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base is overseeing the production, delivery and fielding of addtional F-22s. (U.S. Air Force photo/Tech. Sgt. Ben Bloker)
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Mission
The F-22 Raptor is the Air Force's newest fighter aircraft. Its combination of stealth, supercruise, maneuverability, and integrated avionics, coupled with improved supportability, represents an exponential leap in warfighting capabilities. The Raptor performs both air-to-air and air-to-ground missions allowing full realization of operational concepts vital to the 21st century Air Force.

The F-22, a critical component of the Global Strike Task Force, is designed to project air dominance, rapidly and at great distances and defeat threats attempting to deny access to our nation's Air Force, Army, Navy and Marine Corps. The F-22 cannot be matched by any known or projected fighter aircraft.

Features
A combination of sensor capability, integrated avionics, situational awareness, and weapons provides first-kill opportunity against threats. The F-22 possesses a sophisticated sensor suite allowing the pilot to track, identify, shoot and kill air-to-air threats before being detected. Significant advances in cockpit design and sensor fusion improve the pilot's situational awareness. In the air-to-air configuration the Raptor carries six AIM-120 AMRAAMs and two AIM-9 Sidewinders.

The F-22 has a significant capability to attack surface targets. In the air-to-ground configuration the aircraft can carry two 1,000-pound GBU-32 Joint Direct Attack Munitions internally and will use on-board avionics for navigation and weapons delivery support. In the future air-to-ground capability will be enhanced with the addition of an upgraded radar and up to eight small diameter bombs. The Raptor will also carry two AIM-120s and two AIM-9s in the air-to-ground configuration.
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Advances in low-observable technologies provide significantly improved survivability and lethality against air-to-air and surface-to-air threats. The F-22 brings stealth into the day, enabling it*not only to protect itself but other assets.

The F-22 engines produce more thrust than any current fighter engine. The combination of sleek aerodynamic design and increased thrust allows the F-22 to cruise at supersonic airspeeds (greater than 1.5 Mach) without using afterburner -- a characteristic known as supercruise. Supercruise greatly expands the F-22 's operating envelope in both speed and range over current fighters, which must use fuel-consuming afterburner to operate at supersonic speeds.

The sophisticated F-22 aerodesign, advanced flight controls, thrust vectoring, and high thrust-to-weight ratio provide the capability to outmaneuver all current and projected aircraft. The F-22 design has been extensively tested and refined aerodynamically during the development process.

The F-22's characteristics provide a synergistic effect ensuring F-22A lethality against all advanced air threats. The combination of stealth, integrated avionics and supercruise drastically shrinks surface-to-air missile engagement envelopes and minimizes enemy capabilities to track and engage the F-22 . The combination of reduced observability and supercruise accentuates the advantage of surprise in a tactical environment.

The F-22 will have better reliability and maintainability than any fighter aircraft in history.* Increased F-22 reliability and maintainability pays off in less manpower required to fix the aircraft and the ability to operate more efficiently.

Background
The Advanced Tactical Fighter entered the Demonstration and Validation phase in 1986. The prototype aircraft (YF-22 and YF-23) both completed their first flights in late 1990. Ultimately the YF-22 was selected as best of the two and the engineering and manufacturing development effort began in 1991 with development contracts to Lockheed/Boeing (airframe) and Pratt & Whitney (engines). EMD included extensive subsystem and system testing as well as flight testing with nine aircraft at Edwards Air Force Base, Calif. The first EMD flight was in 1997 and at the completion of its flight test life this aircraft was used for live-fire testing.

The program received approval to enter low rate initial production in 2001. Initial operational and test evaluation by the Air Force Operational Test and Evaluation Center was successfully completed in 2004. Based on maturity of design and other factors the program received approval for full rate production in 2005. Air Education and Training Command, Air Combat Command and Pacific Air*Forces are the primary Air Force organizations flying the F-22.* The aircraft designation was the F/A-22 for a short time before being renamed F-22A in December 2005.

General Characteristics
Primary Function: Air dominance, multi-role fighter
Contractor: Lockheed-Martin, Boeing
Power Plant: Two Pratt & Whitney F119-PW-100 turbofan engines with afterburners and two-dimensional thrust vectoring nozzles.
Thrust: 35,000-pound class (each engine)
Wingspan: 44 feet, 6 inches (13.6 meters)
Length: 62 feet, 1 inch (18.9 meters)
Height: 16 feet, 8 inches (5.1 meters)
Weight: 43,340 pounds (19,700 kilograms)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 83,500 pounds (38,000 kilograms)*
Fuel Capacity: Internal: 18,000 pounds (8,200 kilograms); with 2 external wing fuel tanks: 26,000 pounds (11,900 kilograms)
Payload: Same as armament air-to-air or air-to-ground loadouts; with or without 2 external wing fuel tanks.
Speed:* Mach 2 class with*supercruise capability*
Range: More than 1,850 miles ferry range with 2 external wing fuel tanks (1,600 nautical miles)
Ceiling: Above 50,000 feet (15 kilometers)
Armament: One M61A2 20-millimeter cannon with 480 rounds, internal side weapon bays carriage of two AIM-9 infrared (heat seeking) air-to-air missiles and internal main weapon bays carriage of six AIM-120 radar-guided air-to-air missiles (air-to-air loadout) or two 1,000-pound GBU-32 JDAMs and two AIM-120 radar-guided air-to-air missiles (air-to-ground loadout)
Crew: One*
Unit Cost: $143 million
Initial operating*capability:* December 2005
Inventory:*Total force, 183

Point of Contact
Air Combat Command, Public Affairs Office; 130 Andrews St., Suite 202; Langley AFB, VA 23665-1987; DSN 574-5007 or 757-764-5007; e-mail: accpa.operations@langley.af.mil



Its a dangerous packege , everything alltogather, we need J-16 , just like in raptors role for PAF , & its no harm about that .
 
guy always wish for best and i say get one better then J-16 neither India nor Russia can interfere with the deal with Pakistan :pakistan::cheers::china:

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The sorry state of our economy, we can forget the purchase of anything beyond what we already have. Heck we could not purchase J-10, how in the hell are we going to purchase J-16?
The better choice for us is to start looking at the chinese 5th generation programs and if possible perhaps even get involved in the program from the get go even if we dont have much to contribute.
 
The sorry state of our economy, we can forget the purchase of anything beyond what we already have. Heck we could not purchase J-10, how in the hell are we going to purchase J-16?
The better choice for us is to start looking at the chinese 5th generation programs and if possible perhaps even get involved in the program from the get go even if we dont have much to contribute.

Isn't that contradiction ? To enter a Joint Venture you will need lot of Finance incase ,as you conceded, you dont have much to contribute (Technologically,I assume).
 
I mean how India is gonna tackle with the threat if Pak possess J-16? F22 is definitely not the solution here.

This is a forum, we bring any kind of possibility in.
You're saying only the F-22 can counter the J-16?? Are you serious?? The MKI,Rafale,FGFA,Mig-29UPG etc are all enough to take on the J-16.
 
perhaps PAF can buy J11B or J16 and cancel the J10 deal. or may be lease a sqd of J11B from china for 5 years and see what comes our of J21/31 and then buy them. why waste money on fourth gen, just get some on lease and wait for 5th gen from china.
 
BC040

There is no J10 FC20 deal. ONLY TALK OF ONE...

PAF for no wil induct JFT only.

ONLY once rafale is finalised and they star arriving in 2014-2015 will we see PAF urgency to buy J10 FC20.

AS for FIFTH gen fighters NO CHANCE even PLAAF wont have them until 2020 IN LARGE NOS
 
J-16 is not for sale. J-31 is... And its stealthy. Case closed.
 
BC040

There is no J10 FC20 deal. ONLY TALK OF ONE...

PAF for no wil induct JFT only.

ONLY once rafale is finalised and they star arriving in 2014-2015 will we see PAF urgency to buy J10 FC20.

AS for FIFTH gen fighters NO CHANCE even PLAAF wont have them until 2020 IN LARGE NOS

Yep, only IAF has the Rapptor of East and now a Western star will land in the land of jet fighter leaders.
It's really funny how the appearance of J-20 has dampened the PAK FA spirit and now the appearance of J-31 has sent all into a nose dive.....wonder why it's being termed as Rafale roaster.
BTW, it's always India feeling jittery when PAF acquires a new platform, did you ever see similar reaction coming out of Pakistan.
The magic word is having confidence in one's ability. !!!
 
Isn't that contradiction ? To enter a Joint Venture you will need lot of Finance incase ,as you conceded, you dont have much to contribute (Technologically,I assume).

Only if you had better comprehension skills, you would have understood that i used the word if possible. Instead of acquiring all 4th and 4.5th generation platforms which does not give us any thing significant over what we already have, we should focus on 5th generation.
 
BC040

There is no J10 FC20 deal. ONLY TALK OF ONE...

PAF for no wil induct JFT only.

ONLY once rafale is finalised and they star arriving in 2014-2015 will we see PAF urgency to buy J10 FC20.

AS for FIFTH gen fighters NO CHANCE even PLAAF wont have them until 2020 IN LARGE NOS

If that makes you sleep alright, fine by us however you could not be more wrong and far far from the truth. You see in our case and by our i mean Pakistan and China, you will never actually see it happening till it happens, no contract signing, no flashy lights no nothing, the only time you know something happened is either by a rumor spread by someone having insight source or when the thing actually lands.
PAF has spent a lot of time with the J-10, evaluating it, and this wasnt done for no reason.
The problem i see here (and that is my personal opinion which can be wrong as well) is one the issue of engines and 2nd PAF already has its hands full with other platforms we have inducted. Rest assured PAF is fully committed with the J-10 program.

By the way are you sure about the 2014-15 dead line for Rafale, seems rather over ambitious to me.
 
BTW, it's always India feeling jittery when PAF acquires a new platform, did you ever see similar reaction coming out of Pakistan.
The magic word is having confidence in one's ability.
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You can't blame them now can you after all this hype of surgical strikes across the border, the sudden wake up call and the rude reality drawn on them that it was nothing more then a wet dream of few, this type of reaction is expected.
 
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