Qaher F313 l News & Discussion

[SOHEIL]

ITS HAPPENING!!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1095276104498192385

6 fucking years of mocking and joking backfires !

 

[Draco.IMF]

ITS HAPPENING!!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1095276104498192385

can someone please translate the most important parts, thanks in advance

 

[sepasgozar]

can someone please translate the most important parts, hanks in advance

The interviewee alludes to the prospective and imminent revelation of latest developments in Iran's Indigenous Air Fighter development. Naming the Saeqeh, followed by the Kowsar, and perhaps a new fighter (Could be Qaher 313), the interviewee highlights Iran's self-sufficiency and steadfast progress in the face of fourty years of sanctions.

 

[SubWater]

ITS HAPPENING!!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1095276104498192385

??????
He didn't say anything about Qaher or this video is not complete.
I hope to see Qaher fly very soon.

can someone please translate the most important parts, thanks in advance

He didn't say anything new or important.

 

[Tokhme khar]

This is from last year's military magazine:

Fighter Prototype
Image : Tasnim New Agency


The Iranian armed forces have recently announced the imminent first public flight of a new indigenous fighter jet of unknown designation, leading to much speculation as to the platform set to be unveiled and whether the Qaher F-313 stealth fighter was the aircraft referred to. While the Qaher is hardly the only indigenous Iranian fighter developed, with other programs to design twin engine light fighters such as the Saeqeh and other similar platforms having been initiated - all of them based heavily on the airframe of the American F-5E Freedom Fighter but incorporating vastly modernised airframes and avionics - all known F-5 derived fighters have reportedly already entered service. The F-313 by contrast, since its unveiling in 2013 by the Iran Aviation Industries Organisation, has never been flown publicly - leading to much speculation that the program was for propaganda purposes only and could not be flown. The single seat stealth fighter was designed with a minimal radar cross section and a small payload of two bombs or four to six air-to-air missiles, and following its release analysts from Western nations and Israel were quick to ridicule the design - asserting that for Iran to produce stealth aircraft would be impossible. As Israeli experts claimed when interviewed by the Times of Israel: "Iran doesn't have the ability to built planes, plain and simple." Iran's adversaries dismissed the Qaher as state propaganda, while Iran's Defence Ministry similarly dismissed foreign claims against Iran's fighter. While Iran had proven its ability to develop capable, though hardly cutting edge, combat aircraft indigenously, early criticism of the Qaher design was somewhat well founded. The seemingly unflyable appearance of early designs and the military's unwillingness to carry out a test flight gave analysts considerable grounds for criticism.

As many of the details of the Qaher F-313 program are as of yet unknown, based on the known capabilities of Iran's defence industry and on the few details of the fighter so far unveiled one can speculate what its capabilities may be. While it cannot be verified at this point whether the Qaher F-313 is or is not a genuine stealth fighter, the prospect for such a program may not be as impossible as Western and Israeli sources have claimed. Firstly one must consider Iran's substantial military industrial capabilities, which supply the vast majority of the country's defence needs independently, effectively and an extremely low cost. Iran has, with assistance from North Korea, developed advanced missile programs capable of striking naval and ground targets across the Middle East and much of Central Asia and East Africa using advanced solid fuel technology. Iran has also produced its own surface to air missile systems, the Bavar 373 being the most prolific example, and can otherwise fulfil most of its defence needs independently.

Regarding the country's military aviation, Iran produces eight classes of military helicopters and twenty five classes of military drone. It has successfully designed and put into production several supersonic jet fighters - the Azarkhsh and Saeqeh being most prominent among them. The country's defence manufacturers have access not only to indigenous and American third generation technology, but also to fourth generation U.S. and Soviet technology. In the late 1970s Iran received a large fleet of F-14 Tomcat air superiority fighters, and country has since developed a military aviation industry capable of producing the parts necessary to sustain its fleet, and has even developed the Fakour-90 long range air to air missile based on the reverse engineered AIM-54, a highly sophisticated U.S. platform with the longest range of any Western air to air platform. Iran also succeeded in developing the facilities required to service the extremely complex and high maintenance F-14 airframes, bringing more and more of the fighters into service from storage, a formidable achievement given that Western analysts almost unanimously predicated the entire F-14 fleet would be grounded well within five years. The airframes have been extensively modernised over 40 years in service, with radar and avionics systems all being replaced. This again was testament to the advanced capabilities of the country's domestic military aviation industries.

In 1991 during the Gulf War and the U.S. led Operation Desert Storm, the Iraqi Air Force sent over 100 of its Soviet and French built fighters to Iran beyond the reach of Western air attacks. These aircraft included advanced MiG-29, MiG-25, Su-24 and Su-25 combat jets, the vast majority of which were never returned to Iraq. The country would move to take full advantage of the opportunity by analysing their technologies in detail, alongside those of more advanced fourth generation fighters purchased from the Soviet Union, which it has reportedly attempted to reverse engineer just as it had previously reverse engineered American F-5 - though without success. Iran alsogained access to some of the world's most advanced stealth technology in 2011 following the downing of an RQ-170 US stealth drone. This U.S. system was brought down by an Iranian cyberattack and forced to land in Iran. Former U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney called for the U.S. to take action to destroy the captured drone immediately, lest its valuable technological secrets be divulged to the Iranians. This course of action was never taken however, and as a result Iran reverse engineered the UAV and produced its own stealth drone soon afterwards. Iranian stealth drones based on the RQ-170 have since reportedly been deployed to Syria where they have been combat tested and, according to Israeli sources, proven highly effective. Former head of Israeli intelligence organisation Mossad Danny Yatom stated regarding the incident: “It was a sophisticated operation. The UAV was almost an exact replica of the US drone that fell in their territory. If it had exploded somewhere in Israel, it may not have been possible to identify it as an Iranian manufactured drone.”

Iran has shown itself to have a substantial military industrial base, a history of producing jet fighters, advanced stealth aircraft and an ability to reverse engineer foreign weapons systems. That being said, a fifth generation fighter comparable to the U.S. F-35 or Chinese J-31 requires a highly advanced technological base which is likely still several decades beyond Iran's capabilities. Lockheed Martin, which has developed two of the wold's most prolific stealth fighters including the F-22 Raptor, defines a fifth generation fighter as one with all aspect stealth even when armed, low probability of intercept radar, a high performance airframe, advanced avionics and a highly integrated computer system. Designing aircraft with such capabilities has cost all states which have attempted to do so tens if not hundreds of billions of dollars. While Iran has proven itself able to produce efficient weapons systems at relatively low costs, a fifth generation fighter program would still be an extreme stretch for its meagre defense budget of under $10 billion and would likely be beyond the technological capabilities of its military industrial base.

The Qaher F-313 is highly unlikely to have all the capabilities of a fifth generation fighter, or to be a fighter with anything near parity with the U.S. F-35, Chinese J-20 or Russian Su-57. This does not however indicate that the Qaher is in any way fake or that it is not a stealth aircraft. Indeed, Iran never claimed its jet was an analogue these aircraft or a fifth generation platform - only that it made use of a stealth airframe. A fighter does not need to have fifth generation capabilities to operate with a low enough radar cross section and heat signature to be considered stealthy. The highly effective radar evading Ho-229 design prototype from 1944 serves as proof of this. Considering the capabilities of Iran's military industrial base, including its access to third and fourth generation technology and to stealth technology, Iran's Qaher is most likely a low cost light stealth fighter with capabilities well below those of a fifth generation fighter - but incorporating the stealth technology usually found only on fifth generation fighters. This would make it most likely a stealthy third generation fighter, something well within Iran's proven capabilities to produce, fitting well with the Fars News Agency's description of the fighter as a short distance light jet

The Qaher's capabilities are likely to be similar to those of a heavily upgraded Nancheng Q-5 or F-5 with stealth modifications - well below those of a fifth generation air superiority fighter like the American F-22 Raptor. A number of countries have attempted to apply stealth technologies to lighter and older fighters, one example being prototypes for advanced variants of China's J-7 which tested radar cross section reducing technologies and limited stealth capabilities in the mid 2000s. It has yet to be seen whether Iran's light stealth fighter will prove effective in combat, and whether it remains affordable given Tehran's limited defence budget. If successful however, the Qaher would likely be the world's least costly stealth aircraft and could well prove an attractive platform for a number of developing nations unable to afford more sophisticated systems such as the F-35. Whether the platform will be designed for air to air combat, or less demanding ground attack or strike missions, also remains uncertain - with the latter remaining the more likely option given the complexity of modern aerial warfare combat oriented fighters.

 

[Christina Chan]

This is from last year's military magazine:

Fighter Prototype
Image : Tasnim New Agency


The Iranian armed forces have recently announced the imminent first public flight of a new indigenous fighter jet of unknown designation, leading to much speculation as to the platform set to be unveiled and whether the Qaher F-313 stealth fighter was the aircraft referred to. While the Qaher is hardly the only indigenous Iranian fighter developed, with other programs to design twin engine light fighters such as the Saeqeh and other similar platforms having been initiated - all of them based heavily on the airframe of the American F-5E Freedom Fighter but incorporating vastly modernised airframes and avionics - all known F-5 derived fighters have reportedly already entered service. The F-313 by contrast, since its unveiling in 2013 by the Iran Aviation Industries Organisation, has never been flown publicly - leading to much speculation that the program was for propaganda purposes only and could not be flown. The single seat stealth fighter was designed with a minimal radar cross section and a small payload of two bombs or four to six air-to-air missiles, and following its release analysts from Western nations and Israel were quick to ridicule the design - asserting that for Iran to produce stealth aircraft would be impossible. As Israeli experts claimed when interviewed by the Times of Israel: "Iran doesn't have the ability to built planes, plain and simple." Iran's adversaries dismissed the Qaher as state propaganda, while Iran's Defence Ministry similarly dismissed foreign claims against Iran's fighter. While Iran had proven its ability to develop capable, though hardly cutting edge, combat aircraft indigenously, early criticism of the Qaher design was somewhat well founded. The seemingly unflyable appearance of early designs and the military's unwillingness to carry out a test flight gave analysts considerable grounds for criticism.

As many of the details of the Qaher F-313 program are as of yet unknown, based on the known capabilities of Iran's defence industry and on the few details of the fighter so far unveiled one can speculate what its capabilities may be. While it cannot be verified at this point whether the Qaher F-313 is or is not a genuine stealth fighter, the prospect for such a program may not be as impossible as Western and Israeli sources have claimed. Firstly one must consider Iran's substantial military industrial capabilities, which supply the vast majority of the country's defence needs independently, effectively and an extremely low cost. Iran has, with assistance from North Korea, developed advanced missile programs capable of striking naval and ground targets across the Middle East and much of Central Asia and East Africa using advanced solid fuel technology. Iran has also produced its own surface to air missile systems, the Bavar 373 being the most prolific example, and can otherwise fulfil most of its defence needs independently.

Regarding the country's military aviation, Iran produces eight classes of military helicopters and twenty five classes of military drone. It has successfully designed and put into production several supersonic jet fighters - the Azarkhsh and Saeqeh being most prominent among them. The country's defence manufacturers have access not only to indigenous and American third generation technology, but also to fourth generation U.S. and Soviet technology. In the late 1970s Iran received a large fleet of F-14 Tomcat air superiority fighters, and country has since developed a military aviation industry capable of producing the parts necessary to sustain its fleet, and has even developed the Fakour-90 long range air to air missile based on the reverse engineered AIM-54, a highly sophisticated U.S. platform with the longest range of any Western air to air platform. Iran also succeeded in developing the facilities required to service the extremely complex and high maintenance F-14 airframes, bringing more and more of the fighters into service from storage, a formidable achievement given that Western analysts almost unanimously predicated the entire F-14 fleet would be grounded well within five years. The airframes have been extensively modernised over 40 years in service, with radar and avionics systems all being replaced. This again was testament to the advanced capabilities of the country's domestic military aviation industries.

In 1991 during the Gulf War and the U.S. led Operation Desert Storm, the Iraqi Air Force sent over 100 of its Soviet and French built fighters to Iran beyond the reach of Western air attacks. These aircraft included advanced MiG-29, MiG-25, Su-24 and Su-25 combat jets, the vast majority of which were never returned to Iraq. The country would move to take full advantage of the opportunity by analysing their technologies in detail, alongside those of more advanced fourth generation fighters purchased from the Soviet Union, which it has reportedly attempted to reverse engineer just as it had previously reverse engineered American F-5 - though without success. Iran alsogained access to some of the world's most advanced stealth technology in 2011 following the downing of an RQ-170 US stealth drone. This U.S. system was brought down by an Iranian cyberattack and forced to land in Iran. Former U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney called for the U.S. to take action to destroy the captured drone immediately, lest its valuable technological secrets be divulged to the Iranians. This course of action was never taken however, and as a result Iran reverse engineered the UAV and produced its own stealth drone soon afterwards. Iranian stealth drones based on the RQ-170 have since reportedly been deployed to Syria where they have been combat tested and, according to Israeli sources, proven highly effective. Former head of Israeli intelligence organisation Mossad Danny Yatom stated regarding the incident: “It was a sophisticated operation. The UAV was almost an exact replica of the US drone that fell in their territory. If it had exploded somewhere in Israel, it may not have been possible to identify it as an Iranian manufactured drone.”

Iran has shown itself to have a substantial military industrial base, a history of producing jet fighters, advanced stealth aircraft and an ability to reverse engineer foreign weapons systems. That being said, a fifth generation fighter comparable to the U.S. F-35 or Chinese J-31 requires a highly advanced technological base which is likely still several decades beyond Iran's capabilities. Lockheed Martin, which has developed two of the wold's most prolific stealth fighters including the F-22 Raptor, defines a fifth generation fighter as one with all aspect stealth even when armed, low probability of intercept radar, a high performance airframe, advanced avionics and a highly integrated computer system. Designing aircraft with such capabilities has cost all states which have attempted to do so tens if not hundreds of billions of dollars. While Iran has proven itself able to produce efficient weapons systems at relatively low costs, a fifth generation fighter program would still be an extreme stretch for its meagre defense budget of under $10 billion and would likely be beyond the technological capabilities of its military industrial base.

The Qaher F-313 is highly unlikely to have all the capabilities of a fifth generation fighter, or to be a fighter with anything near parity with the U.S. F-35, Chinese J-20 or Russian Su-57. This does not however indicate that the Qaher is in any way fake or that it is not a stealth aircraft. Indeed, Iran never claimed its jet was an analogue these aircraft or a fifth generation platform - only that it made use of a stealth airframe. A fighter does not need to have fifth generation capabilities to operate with a low enough radar cross section and heat signature to be considered stealthy. The highly effective radar evading Ho-229 design prototype from 1944 serves as proof of this. Considering the capabilities of Iran's military industrial base, including its access to third and fourth generation technology and to stealth technology, Iran's Qaher is most likely a low cost light stealth fighter with capabilities well below those of a fifth generation fighter - but incorporating the stealth technology usually found only on fifth generation fighters. This would make it most likely a stealthy third generation fighter, something well within Iran's proven capabilities to produce, fitting well with the Fars News Agency's description of the fighter as a short distance light jet

The Qaher's capabilities are likely to be similar to those of a heavily upgraded Nancheng Q-5 or F-5 with stealth modifications - well below those of a fifth generation air superiority fighter like the American F-22 Raptor. A number of countries have attempted to apply stealth technologies to lighter and older fighters, one example being prototypes for advanced variants of China's J-7 which tested radar cross section reducing technologies and limited stealth capabilities in the mid 2000s. It has yet to be seen whether Iran's light stealth fighter will prove effective in combat, and whether it remains affordable given Tehran's limited defence budget. If successful however, the Qaher would likely be the world's least costly stealth aircraft and could well prove an attractive platform for a number of developing nations unable to afford more sophisticated systems such as the F-35. Whether the platform will be designed for air to air combat, or less demanding ground attack or strike missions, also remains uncertain - with the latter remaining the more likely option given the complexity of modern aerial warfare combat oriented fighters.

Still, there is no video to prove that thing can fly

 

[T-72B]

This is from last year's military magazine:

Fighter Prototype
Image : Tasnim New Agency


The Iranian armed forces have recently announced the imminent first public flight of a new indigenous fighter jet of unknown designation, leading to much speculation as to the platform set to be unveiled and whether the Qaher F-313 stealth fighter was the aircraft referred to. While the Qaher is hardly the only indigenous Iranian fighter developed, with other programs to design twin engine light fighters such as the Saeqeh and other similar platforms having been initiated - all of them based heavily on the airframe of the American F-5E Freedom Fighter but incorporating vastly modernised airframes and avionics - all known F-5 derived fighters have reportedly already entered service. The F-313 by contrast, since its unveiling in 2013 by the Iran Aviation Industries Organisation, has never been flown publicly - leading to much speculation that the program was for propaganda purposes only and could not be flown. The single seat stealth fighter was designed with a minimal radar cross section and a small payload of two bombs or four to six air-to-air missiles, and following its release analysts from Western nations and Israel were quick to ridicule the design - asserting that for Iran to produce stealth aircraft would be impossible. As Israeli experts claimed when interviewed by the Times of Israel: "Iran doesn't have the ability to built planes, plain and simple." Iran's adversaries dismissed the Qaher as state propaganda, while Iran's Defence Ministry similarly dismissed foreign claims against Iran's fighter. While Iran had proven its ability to develop capable, though hardly cutting edge, combat aircraft indigenously, early criticism of the Qaher design was somewhat well founded. The seemingly unflyable appearance of early designs and the military's unwillingness to carry out a test flight gave analysts considerable grounds for criticism.

As many of the details of the Qaher F-313 program are as of yet unknown, based on the known capabilities of Iran's defence industry and on the few details of the fighter so far unveiled one can speculate what its capabilities may be. While it cannot be verified at this point whether the Qaher F-313 is or is not a genuine stealth fighter, the prospect for such a program may not be as impossible as Western and Israeli sources have claimed. Firstly one must consider Iran's substantial military industrial capabilities, which supply the vast majority of the country's defence needs independently, effectively and an extremely low cost. Iran has, with assistance from North Korea, developed advanced missile programs capable of striking naval and ground targets across the Middle East and much of Central Asia and East Africa using advanced solid fuel technology. Iran has also produced its own surface to air missile systems, the Bavar 373 being the most prolific example, and can otherwise fulfil most of its defence needs independently.

Regarding the country's military aviation, Iran produces eight classes of military helicopters and twenty five classes of military drone. It has successfully designed and put into production several supersonic jet fighters - the Azarkhsh and Saeqeh being most prominent among them. The country's defence manufacturers have access not only to indigenous and American third generation technology, but also to fourth generation U.S. and Soviet technology. In the late 1970s Iran received a large fleet of F-14 Tomcat air superiority fighters, and country has since developed a military aviation industry capable of producing the parts necessary to sustain its fleet, and has even developed the Fakour-90 long range air to air missile based on the reverse engineered AIM-54, a highly sophisticated U.S. platform with the longest range of any Western air to air platform. Iran also succeeded in developing the facilities required to service the extremely complex and high maintenance F-14 airframes, bringing more and more of the fighters into service from storage, a formidable achievement given that Western analysts almost unanimously predicated the entire F-14 fleet would be grounded well within five years. The airframes have been extensively modernised over 40 years in service, with radar and avionics systems all being replaced. This again was testament to the advanced capabilities of the country's domestic military aviation industries.

In 1991 during the Gulf War and the U.S. led Operation Desert Storm, the Iraqi Air Force sent over 100 of its Soviet and French built fighters to Iran beyond the reach of Western air attacks. These aircraft included advanced MiG-29, MiG-25, Su-24 and Su-25 combat jets, the vast majority of which were never returned to Iraq. The country would move to take full advantage of the opportunity by analysing their technologies in detail, alongside those of more advanced fourth generation fighters purchased from the Soviet Union, which it has reportedly attempted to reverse engineer just as it had previously reverse engineered American F-5 - though without success. Iran alsogained access to some of the world's most advanced stealth technology in 2011 following the downing of an RQ-170 US stealth drone. This U.S. system was brought down by an Iranian cyberattack and forced to land in Iran. Former U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney called for the U.S. to take action to destroy the captured drone immediately, lest its valuable technological secrets be divulged to the Iranians. This course of action was never taken however, and as a result Iran reverse engineered the UAV and produced its own stealth drone soon afterwards. Iranian stealth drones based on the RQ-170 have since reportedly been deployed to Syria where they have been combat tested and, according to Israeli sources, proven highly effective. Former head of Israeli intelligence organisation Mossad Danny Yatom stated regarding the incident: “It was a sophisticated operation. The UAV was almost an exact replica of the US drone that fell in their territory. If it had exploded somewhere in Israel, it may not have been possible to identify it as an Iranian manufactured drone.”

Iran has shown itself to have a substantial military industrial base, a history of producing jet fighters, advanced stealth aircraft and an ability to reverse engineer foreign weapons systems. That being said, a fifth generation fighter comparable to the U.S. F-35 or Chinese J-31 requires a highly advanced technological base which is likely still several decades beyond Iran's capabilities. Lockheed Martin, which has developed two of the wold's most prolific stealth fighters including the F-22 Raptor, defines a fifth generation fighter as one with all aspect stealth even when armed, low probability of intercept radar, a high performance airframe, advanced avionics and a highly integrated computer system. Designing aircraft with such capabilities has cost all states which have attempted to do so tens if not hundreds of billions of dollars. While Iran has proven itself able to produce efficient weapons systems at relatively low costs, a fifth generation fighter program would still be an extreme stretch for its meagre defense budget of under $10 billion and would likely be beyond the technological capabilities of its military industrial base.

The Qaher F-313 is highly unlikely to have all the capabilities of a fifth generation fighter, or to be a fighter with anything near parity with the U.S. F-35, Chinese J-20 or Russian Su-57. This does not however indicate that the Qaher is in any way fake or that it is not a stealth aircraft. Indeed, Iran never claimed its jet was an analogue these aircraft or a fifth generation platform - only that it made use of a stealth airframe. A fighter does not need to have fifth generation capabilities to operate with a low enough radar cross section and heat signature to be considered stealthy. The highly effective radar evading Ho-229 design prototype from 1944 serves as proof of this. Considering the capabilities of Iran's military industrial base, including its access to third and fourth generation technology and to stealth technology, Iran's Qaher is most likely a low cost light stealth fighter with capabilities well below those of a fifth generation fighter - but incorporating the stealth technology usually found only on fifth generation fighters. This would make it most likely a stealthy third generation fighter, something well within Iran's proven capabilities to produce, fitting well with the Fars News Agency's description of the fighter as a short distance light jet

The Qaher's capabilities are likely to be similar to those of a heavily upgraded Nancheng Q-5 or F-5 with stealth modifications - well below those of a fifth generation air superiority fighter like the American F-22 Raptor. A number of countries have attempted to apply stealth technologies to lighter and older fighters, one example being prototypes for advanced variants of China's J-7 which tested radar cross section reducing technologies and limited stealth capabilities in the mid 2000s. It has yet to be seen whether Iran's light stealth fighter will prove effective in combat, and whether it remains affordable given Tehran's limited defence budget. If successful however, the Qaher would likely be the world's least costly stealth aircraft and could well prove an attractive platform for a number of developing nations unable to afford more sophisticated systems such as the F-35. Whether the platform will be designed for air to air combat, or less demanding ground attack or strike missions, also remains uncertain - with the latter remaining the more likely option given the complexity of modern aerial warfare combat oriented fighters.

Checkmate western analysts!

 

[TheImmortal]

Still, there is no video to prove that thing can fly

Because it is in early development. If any other country announced a fighter jet the first public flights would likely take 5-7 years. Not to mention countries have started fighter projects then scrapped them due to various reasons.

So I don’t understand why anyone expects to see a mass produced Qaher in less than 10 years.

Project is years away from completion, if it ever gets there.

No one knows the status of this project. It could be the great fighter but if it doesn’t get funding then it dies in R&D. Plain and simple.

 

[Tokhme khar]

Little while longer. Taxi trials are done. Bench tests for Owj engines completed. Status unknown for avionics package.

Still, there is no video to prove that thing can fly

 

[Hack-Hook]

Little while longer. Taxi trials are done. Bench tests for Owj engines completed. Status unknown for avionics package.

I bet the avionics is probably the same as kowsar or similar to it.

 

[Mithridates]

I bet the avionics is probably the same as kowsar or similar to it.

i think the kowsar is training platform for qaher otherwise it's not worth it to integrate some systems in f-5 that you're not gonna use them.

 

[WinterNights]

I think Iran needs to focus on having a large single screen for its avionic like the F-35.

 

[Hack-Hook]

I think Iran needs to focus on having a large single screen for its avionic like the F-35.

rather focus on better sensors instead of better cosmetics
you knew copying F-35 HUD is 10 time more useful than copying that single big LCD that no one use while in combat.

 

[WinterNights]

rather focus on better sensors instead of better cosmetics
you knew copying F-35 HUD is 10 time more useful than copying that single big LCD that no one use while in combat.

And where did I say they should not work on sensors? Just because I say we need X, it does not mean I am saying they do not need Y.

 

[OldTwilight]

we nee platform in first place ... if we have platform , we can improve it and because others don't know about it ( its home made ) it would be dangerous ....

USA can counter even F-22 and F-35 because they built it but what about a system that they don't have any info about it ....