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As much as I want to avoid discussing Dawn Leaks, I find myself indulged in this topic.

When PA rejected the notification of an elected PM, there was only one of the five options remained with either party.

1 - Bajwa resigns;
2 - Bajwa is fired (along with many Corps Commanders and DG ISPR);
3 - Nawaz resigns;
4 - Nawaz is fired along with the whole cabinet/ constitution; or
5 - Army retreats and takes back the tweet.

It was a grave mistake on part of Army, which underestimated the power of Godfather. In the past 30 years, he and his family, through extended relations and business interests, have not only gained unprecedented power within the country, but outside of the country as well.

Let me give you all, a little background of when and how it all started. In 1970s, when ZAB started nationalization of industries, and didn't touch the landlords, many people either left the country, or started hating the state of Pakistan. One of such families included Mian Shareef's, which grew hate at an enormous pace against the state of Pakistan. It was a foolish mistake from ZAB (I call it a crime against the state of Pakistan) when Pakistan's economy on the basis of electrical/ mechanical/ electronics industries was about to take-off. Had he not taken that criminal step, We would have been comparing ourselves with Malaysia by now. A lot of investors trust on the state was badly shattered, and they took the remaining money with them to foreign countries and many of them are now extremely successful industrialists. For them, Pakistan ceased to exist in 70s.

So coming back to the story, Shareef family was one of those families, that vowed to take back everything that they lost, by hook or by crook. They developed this extreme hate against the state and specially its institutions, which didn't take any action against this unconstitutional step.

Then with the help of our dear Army, they started taking back what they lost. But since they developed this thinking that they don't have to give back anything to the state until they get back what they lost in nationalization (with lost profit in those years). For them, Zakat was the only responsibility. Slowly, this turned into greed of having more and more. In the process, they started developing relationships with Army generals, bureaucrats and other powerful personalities. Once they were successful in getting important ministry of finance, all their hurdles were removed and they got access to the influential GCC countries. With access to unlimited amount of money they had due to being in the government, they started sending the government money to GCC through illegal channels. If anyone objected or found out about their marathon of remittances sent to GCC countries, they either paid huge money, or removed the guy by either killing him, or involving him in false cases. With establishment in one hand and bureaucracy in another, these crooks took huge benefit of their unique position they were enjoying in Pakistan. In 80s, the banking controls were also very weak due to the money being sent and received in connection with Afghan Jihad.

Since in Shareefs' minds, making money through illegal channels was their right (due to what state did to them in 70s), they didn't let any opportunity go away. By that time, they fed so much money to the national and international "friends" that these friends were ready to go to any extent if any help is required by the Shareefs anytime. Shareefs even didn't spare OBL and other religious extremists as for them, they could prove to be their assets in future, if required.

Establishment slowly started realizing that the snakelet has been converted into a Python, and that too extremely poisonous. When Musharraf ousted second government of Shareefs, he wouldn't have survived the international pressure had it not been the plan of US to attack Afghanistan. US neither helped NS in regaining the government, nor he stopped GCC from taking the family abroad to be sent back to Pakistan only after the major offensive in Afghanistan is over. Musharraf couldn't handle the pressure of GCC countries and sent him to KSA. Even if he decided to hang him on hijacking charges, he couldn't have done it.

Musharraf's action created another wave of hate, but this time against the establishment. The whole family thought about how to neutralize this threat in Pakistan, so that establishment is not able to take any action against them when they return to Pakistan for another episode of looting spree. They thought and decided that if they are somehow able to engage the forces, the threat from them acting against Shareef's government will be effectively neutralized. The best step was to develop business relationships with Indians, and assure them that Shareefs are ready to serve their interests against Pakistan if Indians also guarantee saving their interests at the crucial moments. Indians agreed, Shareefs gained enormous power through both of their friends and foes. The second strategy was that to bury Pakistan under huge amount of debt that will make it difficult to set aside adequate percentage of budget for defense without lending more money, thus effectively making our forces dependent on loans which aren't easy to obtain without government's involvement.

Now Shareefs have the full support of the following:

1 - Indians (Afghanistan comes with them for free)
2 - GCC (specially Qatar and KSA) and US
3 - Rogue internal elements who happen to be very powerful criminals in the guise of religious extremists
4 - Most of the bureaucracy and institutions
5 - Many of the judges in all the courts, from civil to SC
6 - Religious Scholars, such as Fazl ur Rahman and the likes
7 - Few Chinese investors, who like to win the business through commissions rather than through transparent awards
8 - Opposition parties (except very few, like PTI, JI and Sh. Rasheed)
9 - World lending bodies, such as IMF and World Bank, who like the fact that Shareefs have taken so many loans on their favorable terms. Shareefs even have installed some of their officers in these institutions (like Ishaq Dar in ADB)

When PA first sent the message to Shareefs that they will not bow to the pressure and will arrest the culprits, it was a hogwash. They assumed that Shareefs will eventually give in and PA will gain some lost ground against this Godfather. However, their all calculations proved wrong when NS decided to fire the chief and many other CCs. India/ Afghanistan and Iran (another Indian proxy) started pressurizing PA from all sides. Our friends (KSA and Turkey included) also made it clear to PA that after any unconstitutional step, Pakistan will become effectively isolated (and dream of India will come true).

Now let's look at the options that PA had once again.

1 - Bajwa resigns;
2 - Bajwa is fired (along with many Corps Commanders and DG ISPR);
3 - Nawaz resigns;
4 - Nawaz is fired along with the whole cabinet/ constitution; or
5 - Army retreats and takes back the tweet.

The first two would have been extremely demoralizing for Army and the nation. Any new chief would have been a pet of NS.

# 3, NS wasn't in the mood of this. If he had done it, it would have meant disastrous for his daughter and he wouldn't have gained the martyrdom for the next elections. Panama JIT would have become ineffective after his resignation.

# 4, NS really wanted this.. He knew that Bajwa and PA will not be able to sustain the financial as well as moral pressure from our friends, and PA will eventually announce the elections on international pressure.

The only way (through which Pakistan was being saved) was #5 and supporting JIT in Panama in the background and leave it to Allah swt.

NS is extremely powerful.. more than what we think. He is more than a mafia. Mafias usually don't have public support, they don't have international support as well. NS in enjoying both in addition to the unlimited wealth he has accumulated over the past several years.

Now after reading above, can anyone of you think of another option that would have been better than what has been taken?

@Farah Sohail @war&peace @Verve @Realistic Change @Guvera @El_Swordsmen @El Sidd @Dil Pakistan
Hmm,very well calculated analysis...!
 
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Very difficult for the JIT.. But they are trying.. with whatever they have in terms of laws, access rights etc..

That's why I wrote.. Leave it to Allah swt.. He (swt) has finished many Pharaohs, Namroods, Qaroons.. He (swt) may do it again..

One cannot completely exonerate Army either.

In 2013 elections, the rigging happened right under the nose (and within knowledge) of Kayani sahib.
 
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The other side is, that IK is gaining political momentum and NS jalsas are turning into jalsis.

The players "outside the ring" must also be watching this.

If IK's momentum carries on then, closer to the end of 8-week period, we may see JIT and SC gaining some strength.

And that is why they are trying to get rid of IK.. They couldn't buy him, so either they will have to involve him in false cases, if they aren't succesful in their attempt, then God forbid, they are capable of taking any step..

The only thing they forget, it is Allah who gives life and death..
 
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As much as I want to avoid discussing Dawn Leaks, I find myself indulged in this topic.

When PA rejected the notification of an elected PM, there was only one of the five options remained with either party.

1 - Bajwa resigns;
2 - Bajwa is fired (along with many Corps Commanders and DG ISPR);
3 - Nawaz resigns;
4 - Nawaz is fired along with the whole cabinet/ constitution; or
5 - Army retreats and takes back the tweet.

It was a grave mistake on part of Army, which underestimated the power of Godfather. In the past 30 years, he and his family, through extended relations and business interests, have not only gained unprecedented power within the country, but outside of the country as well.

Let me give you all, a little background of when and how it all started. In 1970s, when ZAB started nationalization of industries, and didn't touch the landlords, many people either left the country, or started hating the state of Pakistan. One of such families included Mian Shareef's, which grew hate at an enormous pace against the state of Pakistan. It was a foolish mistake from ZAB (I call it a crime against the state of Pakistan) when Pakistan's economy on the basis of electrical/ mechanical/ electronics industries was about to take-off. Had he not taken that criminal step, We would have been comparing ourselves with Malaysia by now. A lot of investors trust on the state was badly shattered, and they took the remaining money with them to foreign countries and many of them are now extremely successful industrialists. For them, Pakistan ceased to exist in 70s.

So coming back to the story, Shareef family was one of those families, that vowed to take back everything that they lost, by hook or by crook. They developed this extreme hate against the state and specially its institutions, which didn't take any action against this unconstitutional step.

Then with the help of our dear Army, they started taking back what they lost. But since they developed this thinking that they don't have to give back anything to the state until they get back what they lost in nationalization (with lost profit in those years). For them, Zakat was the only responsibility. Slowly, this turned into greed of having more and more. In the process, they started developing relationships with Army generals, bureaucrats and other powerful personalities. Once they were successful in getting important ministry of finance, all their hurdles were removed and they got access to the influential GCC countries. With access to unlimited amount of money they had due to being in the government, they started sending the government money to GCC through illegal channels. If anyone objected or found out about their marathon of remittances sent to GCC countries, they either paid huge money, or removed the guy by either killing him, or involving him in false cases. With establishment in one hand and bureaucracy in another, these crooks took huge benefit of their unique position they were enjoying in Pakistan. In 80s, the banking controls were also very weak due to the money being sent and received in connection with Afghan Jihad.

Since in Shareefs' minds, making money through illegal channels was their right (due to what state did to them in 70s), they didn't let any opportunity go away. By that time, they fed so much money to the national and international "friends" that these friends were ready to go to any extent if any help is required by the Shareefs anytime. Shareefs even didn't spare OBL and other religious extremists as for them, they could prove to be their assets in future, if required.

Establishment slowly started realizing that the snakelet has been converted into a Python, and that too extremely poisonous. When Musharraf ousted second government of Shareefs, he wouldn't have survived the international pressure had it not been the plan of US to attack Afghanistan. US neither helped NS in regaining the government, nor he stopped GCC from taking the family abroad to be sent back to Pakistan only after the major offensive in Afghanistan is over. Musharraf couldn't handle the pressure of GCC countries and sent him to KSA. Even if he decided to hang him on hijacking charges, he couldn't have done it.

Musharraf's action created another wave of hate, but this time against the establishment. The whole family thought about how to neutralize this threat in Pakistan, so that establishment is not able to take any action against them when they return to Pakistan for another episode of looting spree. They thought and decided that if they are somehow able to engage the forces, the threat from them acting against Shareef's government will be effectively neutralized. The best step was to develop business relationships with Indians, and assure them that Shareefs are ready to serve their interests against Pakistan if Indians also guarantee saving their interests at the crucial moments. Indians agreed, Shareefs gained enormous power through both of their friends and foes. The second strategy was that to bury Pakistan under huge amount of debt that will make it difficult to set aside adequate percentage of budget for defense without lending more money, thus effectively making our forces dependent on loans which aren't easy to obtain without government's involvement.

Now Shareefs have the full support of the following:

1 - Indians (Afghanistan comes with them for free)
2 - GCC (specially Qatar and KSA) and US
3 - Rogue internal elements who happen to be very powerful criminals in the guise of religious extremists
4 - Most of the bureaucracy and institutions
5 - Many of the judges in all the courts, from civil to SC
6 - Religious Scholars, such as Fazl ur Rahman and the likes
7 - Few Chinese investors, who like to win the business through commissions rather than through transparent awards
8 - Opposition parties (except very few, like PTI, JI and Sh. Rasheed)
9 - World lending bodies, such as IMF and World Bank, who like the fact that Shareefs have taken so many loans on their favorable terms. Shareefs even have installed some of their officers in these institutions (like Ishaq Dar in ADB)

When PA first sent the message to Shareefs that they will not bow to the pressure and will arrest the culprits, it was a hogwash. They assumed that Shareefs will eventually give in and PA will gain some lost ground against this Godfather. However, their all calculations proved wrong when NS decided to fire the chief and many other CCs. India/ Afghanistan and Iran (another Indian proxy) started pressurizing PA from all sides. Our friends (KSA and Turkey included) also made it clear to PA that after any unconstitutional step, Pakistan will become effectively isolated (and dream of India will come true).

Now let's look at the options that PA had once again.

1 - Bajwa resigns;
2 - Bajwa is fired (along with many Corps Commanders and DG ISPR);
3 - Nawaz resigns;
4 - Nawaz is fired along with the whole cabinet/ constitution; or
5 - Army retreats and takes back the tweet.

The first two would have been extremely demoralizing for Army and the nation. Any new chief would have been a pet of NS.

# 3, NS wasn't in the mood of this. If he had done it, it would have meant disastrous for his daughter and he wouldn't have gained the martyrdom for the next elections. Panama JIT would have become ineffective after his resignation.

# 4, NS really wanted this.. He knew that Bajwa and PA will not be able to sustain the financial as well as moral pressure from our friends, and PA will eventually announce the elections on international pressure.

The only way (through which Pakistan was being saved) was #5 and supporting JIT in Panama in the background and leave it to Allah swt.

NS is extremely powerful.. more than what we think. He is more than a mafia. Mafias usually don't have public support, they don't have international support as well. NS in enjoying both in addition to the unlimited wealth he has accumulated over the past several years.

Now after reading above, can anyone of you think of another option that would have been better than what has been taken?

@Farah Sohail @war&peace @Verve @Realistic Change @Guvera @El_Swordsmen @El Sidd @Dil Pakistan
Yes if he is so powerful Musharraf would not have been able to put him in jail..
Bajwa if he seriously thought he has no option why did he not stand with principle and resign ..it means he just saved his JoB nothing more nothing less
 
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Very difficult for the JIT.. But they are trying.. with whatever they have in terms of laws, access rights etc..

That's why I wrote.. Leave it to Allah swt.. He (swt) has finished many Pharaohs, Namroods, Qaroons.. He (swt) may do it again..
Hum ne kuch nahi karna bas leave it to ALLAH.

Yes if he is so powerful Musharraf would not have been able to put him in jail..
Bajwa if he seriously thought he has no option why did he not stand with principle and resign ..it means he just saved his JoB nothing more nothing less
He took the easiest but a bit disgraceful way out. If he had shown some courage and taken over the govt, every Pakistani would have welcomed him.
 
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Hum ne kuch nahi karna bas leave it to ALLAH.


He took the easiest but a bit disgraceful way out. If he had shown some courage and taken over the govt, every Pakistani would have welcomed him.
No need to takeover ...he could have taken the graceful way by resigning and make the institution proud for not accepting the security breach and neither derailing of democracy ..but he choose to side with NZ and did press conference too moreover took senior commander officers in confidence of meeting between nawaz and jandal ..he is NZ man from the days of dharna and he is been rewarded for that ...and he put NZ relative as DG ISI so that power is concentrated..
But who resigns from such a lucrative post and then with lucrative post retirement benefits
 
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The reason i am pissed off at army leadership is...they take public as fools..just like politicians..

Public fool hai jabhi tou NS ko vote deti hai.. Public hi tou leke aati hai NS ko.. Khair.. yeh aik aur behes hai..

Look.. Its all a game... They create an issue, hype it up, in the name of national security, create much noise eveytime, tht they ahve been wronged by the politicians, leak news related to the scandals, for months, when public starts believing them and expect them to take some action because of their own hyping up the issue...they make deal in the background and then expect public, not to question them, and just accept things..the way they are..just becuase for them the matter is setlled and they got what they wanted in the background..and so now public has no right to question them..and simply say..oh how can we do it anything against govt? Well..fistly..none asked them to declare martial law... If they knew..they couldnt arrest the culprits..they shouldnt have played with the emotions of public...all these months..and then said tht matter has been settled.. Now anyone who questions them is a traitor.. The way they fool the public everytime, is what pissed me off

The only mistake they did was the tweet.. They shouldn't have done it.. Yeh hota hai jab insaan jazbaati faislay karta hai..

Iss tweet se aik baat saaf hojati hai.. All is not well between Army and Government.

Memogate, dawn leaks same old story

Please, don't mix dawn leaks with memo gate.. uss banday ko tou aap kuchh nahi kar saktay thay.. kuchh bhi karletey..

PA phir bhi adalat gaee thee.. abb adalat ne agar ghatia qawaneen ka sahara leke chhorna tha tou iss main kisi ka kia qasoor?

The way they react to situations..not even kids do like tht.. Ek din naraz hogaye...aglay din maan gaye...like what the hell? Should leadership of nuclear force react like this? Tell me.. Did we ask them to go and tweet notification is rejected? Did they not know..Nawaz Sharif by now..tht he can go to any extent? Did they not realise the impact of tweet? Did they not know..how will the govt and media react? Even we knew tht..and u are saying tht army didnt realise? How..and why? We thought tht if they had made tht tweet..they would have calculated and prepared for its consequences and would have tweeted it after much deliberation... Did they not know the extent of hate ..tht sharif famiily has for Pakistan, even after it did dawn leaks?? Who reacts like tht? And then after few days..took its own tweet back... What is this?


Is this how leadership of nuclear force should react? And if this is how they do...then i must say..they are utterly incompetent...

Their reaction was childish when they tweeted. In fact I don't say it was childish, it is a miscalculation, that could have gone in their favor as well.. But their second action was very calculated..

If not for anything else...the Gen Bajwa should have resigned...atleast for this level of incompetence..sorry for being harsh... All over the world...ppl at the top resign..but only in Pakistan we think ke qayamat aajayegi..agar resign kar diya..


As you asked... What other option..did Gen Bajwa have? After the sec notification was issued.. I say even after DG ISPR's pressconference... Gen Bajwa should have resigned..

The worst step.. What after that.. You know, after resignation, NS would have fired many more CCs.. and brought a junior most who would have spent the entire tenure in NS ki ghulami... Tweet tou wapis Gen Bajwa ke resign ke baad bhi hona tha.. lekin achi khasi maar parnay ke baad.

Just few days before kashmir day, Hafiz Saeed was our under house arrest, and this was announced by DG ISPR as state decision, in "national interest" when indian pressure was at its peak.. Maybe accepting indian pressure is now Pakistan's national interest...

That was also a calculated move.. Since our Godfather's daughter said that it is Army which is managing non state actors, Army had to take the side of government.. Iss par khoob ghaur karain aur sochain.. Har cheez jazbaatiat se hal nahi hoti..

I wont be surprised at all..if in few days...Kulbhushan yadev might be going back to india, again under international pressure, and ofcourse in Pakistan's "national interest"

Maybe.. who knows?
 
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Godfather analogy wasn't used without a reason in the verdict.. Justice Khosa and Justice Gulzar knew who they were up against..

Only one more judge was required.. only one.. uss ne himmat hi nahi pakri.. aur Pakistan jeeta hua match extra time main le gaya..

Look... You were saying tht Justice Khosa shouldnt have used Godfather analogy in his verdict...it isnt appropriate... And I was saying from day 1...tht its the best thing tht Justice Khosa has done..much more than his verdict of disqualification..

Its proved to be the master stroke... Actually this is the master strike and not NRO on dawn leaks...

Because of him using such examples in his verdict....it gained more attraction and attention from the public than even the majority verdict..it was read and discussed more... No where is majority verdict discussed..but the dissenting verdict is discussed more..and because dissenting verdict is discussed more, NS got completely exposed...

Also because..this Godfatehr analogy perfectly describe Nawaz Dharif...everyone knows now the gist of the case and state of affairs in. Pakistan..with this just one line.. Is se acha ...koi aur cheez explain nahi karsakti thee..

Now Nawaz Sharif will be called Godfather all his life.... This is the best thing tht has happened... And its not tht only Justice Khosa has used such example in any verdict, for the first time.. I posted here an article, Revisiting the Godfather analogy..which said tht jurists have been using such examples in verdicts to make their verdicts more readable and interesting..and to explain situations better

On another note.. The thing u mentioned abt panama JIT in your dawn leaks post... I forgot to say this in my reply to tht post..

You urself said.earlier ....tht JIT members..now matter how honest and well intentioned..need cooperation from the instituitions.. After "historic settlement" of dawn leaks...ab instituitions ne bhi "hawaaoun ka rukh" dekh liya hoga...and after seeing army doing settlement on dWn leaks with NE...everyone will follow this.....so even if JIT members want...they might not get the reqd material and cooperation from other instituitions

This historic settlement of dawn leaks will also have consequences for panama JIT......
 
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Public fool hai jabhi tou NS ko vote deti hai.. Public hi tou leke aati hai NS ko.. Khair.. yeh aik aur behes hai..



The only mistake they did was the tweet.. They shouldn't have done it.. Yeh hota hai jab insaan jazbaati faislay karta hai..

Iss tweet se aik baat saaf hojati hai.. All is not well between Army and Government.



Please, don't mix dawn leaks with memo gate.. uss banday ko tou aap kuchh nahi kar saktay thay.. kuchh bhi karletey..

PA phir bhi adalat gaee thee.. abb adalat ne agar ghatia qawaneen ka sahara leke chhorna tha tou iss main kisi ka kia qasoor?






Their reaction was childish when they tweeted. In fact I don't say it was childish, it is a miscalculation, that could have gone in their favor as well.. But their second action was very calculated..






The worst step.. What after that.. You know, after resignation, NS would have fired many more CCs.. and brought a junior most who would have spent the entire tenure in NS ki ghulami... Tweet tou wapis Gen Bajwa ke resign ke baad bhi hona tha.. lekin achi khasi maar parnay ke baad.



That was also a calculated move.. Since our Godfather's daughter said that it is Army which is managing non state actors, Army had to take the side of government.. Iss par khoob ghaur karain aur sochain.. Har cheez jazbaatiat se hal nahi hoti..



Maybe.. who knows?

I think tweet was not that Jazbaati either. There is another way to look at it.

Until that tweet, despite the internal frictions, there was a general perception that Bajwa is in NS pocket.

With this tweet, for the first time, Bajwa sahib publicly managed to breakaway from NS. Out of many others, this was one purpose of this tweet, and it did work.
 
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The second option i.e. NS was forced to resign with or without the coup, would have been the best option and I don't buy this misleading excuse that our friends would have forced us blah blah blah ...really a crap sold by justifiers.

Because I take you back in 1998 and 99 when Pakistan did nuclear tests and fought the Kargil war, the economy was really in shabby condition and Pakistan was under sanctions and embargoes. The FCAs were totally frozen and the foreign reserves were really low and Pakistan was about to default. The situation worsened even more in 2001 and there NS and military were at loggerheads with each other since NS does not like his daddies so he decides to remove the COAS and appoints the then DG ISI Gen. Zia ud Din Butt as the new COAS. The army moves in and takes over the govt and NS gets arrested and coup completes successfully.

Sir, if the bases of your selection is 1999, then I must say, you are missing the point..

In 1999, international establishment needed a one man show in our country because they had to come to Afghanistan and Iraq. With Parliament functioning, it always proves difficult to go through the process of approval. With one man in charge of the affairs, they get the "Yes" and "No" within minutes.. And if the one man is like Musharraf then unn ki tou ballay ballay..

Isi tarha.. in 1977, they were in the middle of cold war.. They couldn't handle this guy called ZAB and wanted someone who could take decisions in seconds if not minutes.. ZAB, after all, was a politician..

In 2013 elections, the rigging happened right under the nose (and within knowledge) of Kayani sahib.

Kayani sahib? He couldn't get the IJAZAT of installing his soldiers inside the polling stations. At that time, IK was not even in the opposition, both parties in power brought a useless chap as EC chairman.. who once after the meeting with Kayani, asked Kayani to send a particular message to Kayani.. lolll. He couldn't even recognize Army chief in the whole meeting..

Look... You were saying tht Justice Khosa shouldnt have used Godfather analogy in his verdict...it isnt appropriate... And I was saying from day 1...tht its the best thing tht Justice Khosa has done..much more than his verdict of disqualification..

To be honest, I agree with his assessment of NS being Godfather.. What I disagree, that he shouldn't have used it in verdict.. He could have said whatever about Qatari letter, or the other evidences provided by Shareefs.. He should have waited to become CJ..

Now it is very difficult for him..

Khalid ibn al Walid in many battles retreated from his strongholds, and went to Arabian peninsula, despite opposition from several of his generals.. But he proved that sometimes, retreat is the better strategy..

Jazbaatiat se hi tou aaj hum yahan tak pohnchay hain.. bass jo kuchh chahiey aaj hi lelo..
 
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As much as I want to avoid discussing Dawn Leaks, I find myself indulged in this topic.

When PA rejected the notification of an elected PM, there was only one of the five options remained with either party.

1 - Bajwa resigns;
2 - Bajwa is fired (along with many Corps Commanders and DG ISPR);
3 - Nawaz resigns;
4 - Nawaz is fired along with the whole cabinet/ constitution; or
5 - Army retreats and takes back the tweet.

It was a grave mistake on part of Army, which underestimated the power of Godfather. In the past 30 years, he and his family, through extended relations and business interests, have not only gained unprecedented power within the country, but outside of the country as well.

Let me give you all, a little background of when and how it all started. In 1970s, when ZAB started nationalization of industries, and didn't touch the landlords, many people either left the country, or started hating the state of Pakistan. One of such families included Mian Shareef's, which grew hate at an enormous pace against the state of Pakistan. It was a foolish mistake from ZAB (I call it a crime against the state of Pakistan) when Pakistan's economy on the basis of electrical/ mechanical/ electronics industries was about to take-off. Had he not taken that criminal step, We would have been comparing ourselves with Malaysia by now. A lot of investors trust on the state was badly shattered, and they took the remaining money with them to foreign countries and many of them are now extremely successful industrialists. For them, Pakistan ceased to exist in 70s.

So coming back to the story, Shareef family was one of those families, that vowed to take back everything that they lost, by hook or by crook. They developed this extreme hate against the state and specially its institutions, which didn't take any action against this unconstitutional step.

Then with the help of our dear Army, they started taking back what they lost. But since they developed this thinking that they don't have to give back anything to the state until they get back what they lost in nationalization (with lost profit in those years). For them, Zakat was the only responsibility. Slowly, this turned into greed of having more and more. In the process, they started developing relationships with Army generals, bureaucrats and other powerful personalities. Once they were successful in getting important ministry of finance, all their hurdles were removed and they got access to the influential GCC countries. With access to unlimited amount of money they had due to being in the government, they started sending the government money to GCC through illegal channels. If anyone objected or found out about their marathon of remittances sent to GCC countries, they either paid huge money, or removed the guy by either killing him, or involving him in false cases. With establishment in one hand and bureaucracy in another, these crooks took huge benefit of their unique position they were enjoying in Pakistan. In 80s, the banking controls were also very weak due to the money being sent and received in connection with Afghan Jihad.

Since in Shareefs' minds, making money through illegal channels was their right (due to what state did to them in 70s), they didn't let any opportunity go away. By that time, they fed so much money to the national and international "friends" that these friends were ready to go to any extent if any help is required by the Shareefs anytime. Shareefs even didn't spare OBL and other religious extremists as for them, they could prove to be their assets in future, if required.

Establishment slowly started realizing that the snakelet has been converted into a Python, and that too extremely poisonous. When Musharraf ousted second government of Shareefs, he wouldn't have survived the international pressure had it not been the plan of US to attack Afghanistan. US neither helped NS in regaining the government, nor he stopped GCC from taking the family abroad to be sent back to Pakistan only after the major offensive in Afghanistan is over. Musharraf couldn't handle the pressure of GCC countries and sent him to KSA. Even if he decided to hang him on hijacking charges, he couldn't have done it.

Musharraf's action created another wave of hate, but this time against the establishment. The whole family thought about how to neutralize this threat in Pakistan, so that establishment is not able to take any action against them when they return to Pakistan for another episode of looting spree. They thought and decided that if they are somehow able to engage the forces, the threat from them acting against Shareef's government will be effectively neutralized. The best step was to develop business relationships with Indians, and assure them that Shareefs are ready to serve their interests against Pakistan if Indians also guarantee saving their interests at the crucial moments. Indians agreed, Shareefs gained enormous power through both of their friends and foes. The second strategy was that to bury Pakistan under huge amount of debt that will make it difficult to set aside adequate percentage of budget for defense without lending more money, thus effectively making our forces dependent on loans which aren't easy to obtain without government's involvement.

Now Shareefs have the full support of the following:

1 - Indians (Afghanistan comes with them for free)
2 - GCC (specially Qatar and KSA) and US
3 - Rogue internal elements who happen to be very powerful criminals in the guise of religious extremists
4 - Most of the bureaucracy and institutions
5 - Many of the judges in all the courts, from civil to SC
6 - Religious Scholars, such as Fazl ur Rahman and the likes
7 - Few Chinese investors, who like to win the business through commissions rather than through transparent awards
8 - Opposition parties (except very few, like PTI, JI and Sh. Rasheed)
9 - World lending bodies, such as IMF and World Bank, who like the fact that Shareefs have taken so many loans on their favorable terms. Shareefs even have installed some of their officers in these institutions (like Ishaq Dar in ADB)

When PA first sent the message to Shareefs that they will not bow to the pressure and will arrest the culprits, it was a hogwash. They assumed that Shareefs will eventually give in and PA will gain some lost ground against this Godfather. However, their all calculations proved wrong when NS decided to fire the chief and many other CCs. India/ Afghanistan and Iran (another Indian proxy) started pressurizing PA from all sides. Our friends (KSA and Turkey included) also made it clear to PA that after any unconstitutional step, Pakistan will become effectively isolated (and dream of India will come true).

Now let's look at the options that PA had once again.

1 - Bajwa resigns;
2 - Bajwa is fired (along with many Corps Commanders and DG ISPR);
3 - Nawaz resigns;
4 - Nawaz is fired along with the whole cabinet/ constitution; or
5 - Army retreats and takes back the tweet.

The first two would have been extremely demoralizing for Army and the nation. Any new chief would have been a pet of NS.

# 3, NS wasn't in the mood of this. If he had done it, it would have meant disastrous for his daughter and he wouldn't have gained the martyrdom for the next elections. Panama JIT would have become ineffective after his resignation.

# 4, NS really wanted this.. He knew that Bajwa and PA will not be able to sustain the financial as well as moral pressure from our friends, and PA will eventually announce the elections on international pressure.

The only way (through which Pakistan was being saved) was #5 and supporting JIT in Panama in the background and leave it to Allah swt.

NS is extremely powerful.. more than what we think. He is more than a mafia. Mafias usually don't have public support, they don't have international support as well. NS in enjoying both in addition to the unlimited wealth he has accumulated over the past several years.

Now after reading above, can anyone of you think of another option that would have been better than what has been taken?

@Farah Sohail @war&peace @Verve @Realistic Change @Guvera @El_Swordsmen @El Sidd @Dil Pakistan

Its irrelevant whatever the cause or reason for the so called muks mukaaz. As long as the system is in place.

All things are recorded and maintained so they are on a lease of time shrinking quite fast.

Civilian should solve their problems democratically as it is designed. The regional politics is not mirroring in local politics which is a blessing in disguise.

If things are not phasing out as they should be corrected in time without bias and i am just afraid its not gonna be pretty.
 
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Public fool hai jabhi tou NS ko vote deti hai.. Public hi tou leke aati hai NS ko.. Khair.. yeh aik aur behes hai..

Woww!!! Bas public ko blame karna sab se asaan hai... Pehlay sab mil kar public ko bewaqoof banayein... Aur ohir kahien.lke humari kia ghalti...public tu khud bewaqoof banti hai...wow...

Pehlay tu ye batayein ke NS aur BB se NRO kis ne kiya tha? Phir elections ka system kitna fair hai? Public itni illiterate is liye hai..kiun ke humara system especially aisa hid esign kiya gaya hai..intentionally ke public illiterate rahay,,because this suits everyone...

Army leadership bhi public ko bewaqoof banaa kar aur phir unn par hans kar samajhtay hain ke bhtt bara teer maat liya.. Lekin joa aj doosrun ko bewaqoof bana kar hansein ge,,tu kal unn par hansa jayega.. Kahin aisa na hon ke jab unhein public support ki zuroorat paray...tab woh na milay.. Public support ke baghair kiya hota hai..yeh 1971 main dekh chukay hain.. Itna bhi apnay aap ko aala arfa nahi samajhna chahye


The only mistake they did was the tweet.. They shouldn't have done it.. Yeh hota hai jab insaan jazbaati faislay karta hai..

Iss tweet se aik baat saaf hojati hai.. All is not well between Army and Government.

All is just not well for the public.. Baqi sab ke liye sab kuch acha hai

Please, don't mix dawn leaks with memo gate.. uss banday ko tou aap kuchh nahi kar saktay thay.. kuchh bhi karletey..

PA phir bhi adalat gaee thee.. abb adalat ne agar ghatia qawaneen ka sahara leke chhorna tha tou iss main kisi ka kia qasoor?

Really? Adaalat ne nahi chora tha...woh case tu aaj tak complete hi nahi hua... HH ko 4 din ke liye bahar janay ki ijazat di thee..aur aaj tak nahi aaye.. AAP ka kia khyal hai ke yeh sab army ki marzi ke bagahir hua hoga? Aar army leadership an chahti tu woh jaasaktay thay bahar? Ayan Ali ko bhi bhtt pehle SC ne ECL se nikalnay ka keh diya tha.. Uske baad bhi appeal hoti rahi.. 1-2 dafa tu ECL se naam nikal janay ke orders ke baad bhi usay airport se wapis kardiya tha... Aur phir kaafi arsa baad janay diya.. Aap chahtay hain ke yeh maanein ke HHaqqani jo itnay araam se chalay gaye...ye army ki marzi ke baghair hua hoga?

Maantay hain ke public bewaqoof hai lekin itni bhi nahi


Their reaction was childish when they tweeted. In fact I don't say it was childish, it is a miscalculation, that could have gone in their favor as well.. But their second action was very calculated..

The worst step.. What after that.. You know, after resignation, NS would have fired many more CCs.. and brought a junior most who would have spent the entire tenure in NS ki ghulami... Tweet tou wapis Gen Bajwa ke resign ke baad bhi hona tha.. lekin achi khasi maar parnay ke baad.

Itnay bachay hain ke woh aaj tak NS ko samjhay hi nahi? Har ek ki zubaan par hota hai ke jab bhi NS oarmushkil time aata hai... India LOC par firing shuru kar deta hai.. Agar army walay ab tak NS ko nahi samajh sakay..and the extent to which he can go? Tu sirf iss baat par hi inhein ghar chalay jana chahyein for being so naiive and incompetent

Maybe.. who knows?

Ofcourse.. Wth NS being PM, and especially Gen Bajwa as our COAS ...i dont expect Gen Bajwa to take a stand on kulbhushan yadev at all.. Very soon..we might be hearing from DG ISPR, as to how sending Kulbhushan yadev back to india, who killed many Pakistanis, was in Pakistan's national interest..so tht he can go back and confess proudly in India tht he killed many Pakistanis as a RAW agent...and rub more salt on our wounds... That will surely be Pakistan's national interest

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Yes if he is so powerful Musharraf would not have been able to put him in jail..
Bajwa if he seriously thought he has no option why did he not stand with principle and resign ..it means he just saved his JoB nothing more nothing less

He took the easiest but a bit disgraceful way out. If he had shown some courage and taken over the govt, every Pakistani would have welcomed him.

He was so powerful that he landed in KSA a few months later.. He was more powerful than ZAB.. we have to accept it..

Hum ne kuch nahi karna bas leave it to ALLAH.

Yaar, yeh tou karna parega.. Jis halaat main hain, hum ne aaj tak apnay hi bazuon pe bharosa kia hai.. jabhi tou haray hain..

If you read Islamic history, you will be surprised to know that most of the battles we Muslims have lost in the eras when we were in power and relied on ourselves and our power more than Allah.. And most of the battles that we won when were weak, but relied on Allah..

As a nation, hamain ruju tou karna parega.. Kia aap ko lagta hai jo halat hai hamari, Allah se ruju kiey baghair behtri aasakti hai?

No need to takeover ...he could have taken the graceful way by resigning and make the institution proud for not accepting the security breach and neither derailing of democracy ..

Resign ke baad kia hota?

I am telling you.. 2 hi raastay thay.. new chief ya NS ko hata deta ya khud hat jata..

Aap bhool rahay hain... Maryam NS ki beti hai.. woh kuchh bhi karguzarnay ko tayyar tha.. uss ne apni beti nahi deni thi.. chahay yeh Army chief chahay koi aur..
 
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I think tweet was not that Jazbaati either. There is another way to look at it.

Until that tweet, despite the internal frictions, there was a general perception that Bajwa is in NS pocket.

With this tweet, for the first time, Bajwa sahib publicly managed to breakaway from NS. Out of many others, this was one purpose of this tweet, and it did work.
But taking back and accepted PM words as final authority reaffirm that he will continue to be NZ man like he was in days of dharna
Public fool hai jabhi tou NS ko vote deti hai.. Public hi tou leke aati hai NS ko.. Khair.. yeh aik aur behes hai..

Woww!!! Bas public ko blame karna sab se asaan hai... Pehlay sab mil kar oublic ko bewaqoof banayein... Aur ohir kahien.lke humari kia ghalti...public tu khud bewaqoof banti hai...wow...

Pehlay tu ye batayein ke NS aur BB se NRO kis ne kiya tha? Phir elections ka system kitna fair hai? Public itni illiterate is liye hai..kiun ke humara system especially aisa hid esign kiya gaya hai..intentionally ke public illiterate rahay,,because this suits everyone...

Army leadership bhi public ko bewaqoof banaa kar aur phir unn par hans kar samajhtay hain ke bhtt bara teer maat liya.. Lekin joa aj doosrun ko bewaqoof bana kar hansein ge,,tu kal unn oar hands jayega.. Kahin aisa na honke jab unhein public support ki zuroorat paray...tab woh na milay.. Public support ke baghair kiya hota hai..yeh 1971 main dekh chukay hain.. Itna bhi apnay aap ko aala arfa nahi samajhna chahye


The only mistake they did was the tweet.. They shouldn't have done it.. Yeh hota hai jab insaan jazbaati faislay karta hai..

Iss tweet se aik baat saaf hojati hai.. All is not well between Army and Government.

All is just not well for the public.. Baqi sab ke liye sab kuch acha hai

Please, don't mix dawn leaks with memo gate.. uss banday ko tou aap kuchh nahi kar saktay thay.. kuchh bhi karletey..

PA phir bhi adalat gaee thee.. abb adalat ne agar ghatia qawaneen ka sahara leke chhorna tha tou iss main kisi ka kia qasoor?

Really? Adaalat ne nahi chora tha...woh case tu aaj tak complete hi nahi hua... HH ko 4 din ke liye bahar janay ki ijazat di thee..aur aaj tak nahi aaye.. AAP ka kia khyal hai ke yeh sab army ki marzi ke bagahir hua hoga? Aar army leadership an chahti tu woh jaasaktay thay bahar? Ayan Ali ko bhi bhtt pehle SC ne ECL se nikalnay ka keh diya tha.. Uske baad bhi appeal hoti rahi.. 1-2 dafa tu ECL se naam nikal janay ke orders ke baad bhi usay airport se wapis kardiya tha... Aur phir kaafi arsa baad janay diya.. Aap chahtay hain ke yeh maanein ke HHaqqani jo itnay araam se chalay gaye...ye army ki marzi ke baghair hua hoga?

Maantay hain ke public bewaqoof hai lekin itni bhi nahi


Their reaction was childish when they tweeted. In fact I don't say it was childish, it is a miscalculation, that could have gone in their favor as well.. But their second action was very calculated..

The worst step.. What after that.. You know, after resignation, NS would have fired many more CCs.. and brought a junior most who would have spent the entire tenure in NS ki ghulami... Tweet tou wapis Gen Bajwa ke resign ke baad bhi hona tha.. lekin achi khasi maar parnay ke baad.

Itnay bachay hain ke woh aaj tak NS ko samjhay hi nahi? Har ek ki zubaan par hota hai ke jab bhi NS oarmushkil time aata hai... India LOC par firing shuru kar deta hai.. Agar army walay ab tak NS ko nahi samajh sakay..and the extent to which he can go? Tu sirf iss baat par hi inhein ghar chalay jana chahyein for being so naiive and incompetent

Maybe.. who knows?

Ofcourse.. Wth NS being PM, and especially Gen Bajwa as our COAS ...i dont expect Gen Bajwa to take a stand on kulbhushan yadev at all.. Very soon..we might be hearing from DG ISPR, as to how sending Kulbhushan yadev back to india, who killed many Pakistanis, was in Pakistan's national interest..so tht he can go back and confess proudly in India tht he killed many Pakistanis as a RAW agent...and rub more salt on our wounds... That will surely be Pakistan's national interest

@PakSword
More then that like kiyani helped NZ to win election Bajwa will ensure this again in next election ..
I think we better exchange and saved the life of innocent col caught by India in Nepal because KY will walk out any way by some excuse
 
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