Panamagate case: London flats were bought through Qatari investments, Sharif family tells SC

[PakSword]

In 80s it was illegal to transfer money abroad unless it was okayed by the government of Pakistan. Ex-finance minister from that era just confirmed that yesterday. Furthermore the so called evidence by Nawaz is contradictory to panama papers as it shows the flats were bought in 2006 while panama leaks say they were bought in 90s

Money hasn't been transferred from Pakistan. Nothing to do with Pakistani laws here. What Qatari prince states that the money was transferred from Qatar/ UAE to UK.

 

[Shot-Caller]

Funny why PTI is being asked to prove Nawaz Sharifs laundering of money when neither panama leaks or the money laundered had anything to do with PTI

If I blame you for being a thief I'll be the one who has to prove that you are a thief. If I get blamed its not my responsibility to prove my innocence but the one blaming me has to prove that I'm guilty and since PTI was the one who took up this case aggressively, they are the ones who have to prove it. That's a very basic thing but its ok.

 

[Mansoon]

Money hasn't been transferred from Pakistan. Nothing to do with Pakistani laws here. What Qatari prince states that the money was transferred from Qatar/ UAE to UK.

FIA and NAB has evidence about those fake firms that were used to launder money abroad from Pakistan. Miraculously chairman of NAB has run away to China and not appearing in court to submit the evidence against Nawaz Sharif. Yet somehow a letter from Qatari prince from ex minister of Qatar is evidence of Nawaz Sharifs clean chit?

If I blame you for being a thief I'll be the one who has to prove that you are a thief. If I get blamed its not my responsibility to prove my innocence but the one blaming me has to prove that I'm guilty and since PTI was the one who took up this case aggressively, they are the ones who have to prove it. That's a very basic thing but its ok.

But PTI is not the one blaming. Panama Leaks are showing evidence when the flats were bought and by who. PTI is only asking to tell Nawaz Sharif where he got the money for the flats in the 90s. Nawaz says he got the flats in 2006, which is contradictory to what panama papers reveal. Yet somehow PTI is guilty for not providing evidence of Nawaz Sharif lies?

 

[PakSword]

As I said countless time over, PTI need not to prove anything. It's Nawaz Sharif that must prove that flats bought in 90s according to panama papers are fake

Just read the statement of Qatari prince once again, you will see how cleverly shareers have dealt with the whole Panama issue.

The flats were under ownership of the companies, shares of which were in Qatar. Shareer family was using the flats because of relationship between Qatari prince and the Shareer family. To account for the profit of mill in which Shareers were shareholders, the UK companies' shares were transferred to Shareer family in 2006.

Now beat this.

 

[Shot-Caller]

But PTI is not the one blaming. Panama Leaks are showing evidence when the flats were bought and by who. PTI is only asking to tell Nawaz Sharif where he got the money for the flats in the 90s. Nawaz says he got the flats in 2006, which is contradictory to what panama papers reveal. Yet somehow PTI is guilty for not providing evidence of Nawaz Sharif lies?

Guilty? No.

Fooled? Yes.

 

[Mansoon]

Just read the statement of Qatari prince once again, you will see how cleverly shareers have dealt with the whole Panama issue.

The flats were under ownership of the companies, shares of which were in Qatar. Shareer family was using the flats because of relationship between Qatari prince and the Shareer family. To account for the profit of mill in which Shareers were shareholders, the UK companies' shares were transferred to Shareer family in 2006.

Now beat this.

It's simple. All court has to do is ask Shareers to submit evidence that those companies indeed owned those flats before they were transferred to Shareers. Since the companies are fictitious they will not be able to submit anything and thus proven guilty.

Guilty? No.

Fooled? Yes.

Fooled? You can't fool hundreds of millions of dollars of laundered money

 

[PakSword]

FIA and NAB has evidence about those fake firms that were used to launder money abroad from Pakistan. Miraculously chairman of NAB has run away to China and not appearing in court to submit the evidence against Nawaz Sharif. Yet somehow a letter from Qatari prince from ex minister of Qatar is evidence of Nawaz Sharifs clean chit?

Exactly my sentiment. This is what IK is crying about. Our state institutions have been sold.

Court has made a remark that it is not an investigating agency. Courts get help from the independent institution in every country. Our independent institutions are just a bunch of businesses under government ownership.

If NAB or FIA doesn't provide this evidence to court, how will court decide? Remember Asad kharal once said that we may see incidences of fire in some institutions.

 

[H!TchHiker]

It's simple. All court has to do is ask Shareers to submit evidence that those companies indeed owned those flats before they were transferred to Shareers. Since the companies are fictitious they will not be able to submit anything and thus proven guilty.


Fooled? You can't fool hundreds of millions of dollars of laundered money

No that will be much easy to produce . These SPV companies are not fictitious technically neither illegals. They can issue the letter on the name of these companies easily

 

[PakSword]

All court has to do is ask Shareers to submit evidence that those companies indeed owned those flats before they were transferred to Shareers.

This evidence is already there. We have all the evidences of flats ownership under these offshore companies in 2001.

 

[Mansoon]

If NAB or FIA doesn't provide this evidence to court, how will court decide? Remember Asad kharal once said that we may see incidences of fire in some institutions

If NAB and FIA do not provide evidence regarding Nawaz Sharifs money laundering, and Nawaz Sharif cannot prove his money is clean according to Panama revelations, then either way he will be sent to jail or worse lose his job

 

[PakSword]

No that will be much easy to produce . These SPV companies are not fictitious technically neither illegals. They can issue the letter on the name of these companies easily

Exactly.

 

[The Eagle]

By looking at the PTI's lawyers i am really not at all optimistic about this you can see how serious they're about this case

Lawyers are only concerned to their fee and practice but the day they realized as it is about right and wrong and for the nation, most of them would be withdrawing their power from the case though seems unlikely to happen yet they will be pushing for the victory for the credibility only. none pays any heed to nation

 

[Mansoon]

No that will be much easy to produce . These SPV companies are not fictitious technically neither illegals. They can issue the letter on the name of these companies easily

This evidence is already there. We have all the evidences of flats ownership under these offshore companies in 2001.

Transfer of shares happen all the time. It doesn't change the fact that these offshore companies were opened in PMs children's name back in the 90s. Since they have no sources of income and Nawaz Sharif himself payed little to no tax, he must show where the money was coming from. All this gibberish about Mills in Dubai, Jedda and now Qatar must also be proven with valid ownership and share holder documents. A letter means nothing.

 

[PakSword]

Nawaz Sharif cannot prove his money is clean according to Panama revelations

Panama papers are revealing that Shareers did money laundering? No.

Panama papers are revealing that there are offshore companies whose current beneficial owners are shareers. Further, they are revealing that when the companies were formed. They are also revealing that the flats are under the ownership of these companies.

These papers are not revealing that the companies were under shareer's ownership in the past (please correct me if I am wrong).

Some of our journalists have done fantastic job when they have brought some papers that show that the ownership of the companies was with Shareers in 2001. This is the evidence that is needed to be brought to court's attention.

 

[Farah Sohail]

it would have been much better, if Sheikh Rasheed's petition was heard separately than Imran khan's petition... but since all petitions, related to panama are being heard simultaneously, I am afraid because of PTI's weak case, it will negatively affect Sheikh Rasheed's case also, which is not exactly related to panama, but simple disqualification, on article 62, 63, tht is lying... this case has much more merit...but since PTI's panama case is weak, and they will not be able to produce counter evidence in court, sheikh rasheed's petition will be treated in a similar manner by court too..which is bad for us.. because judges, cant disqualify Nawaz Sharif on lying, while dismissing PTI's petition... infact case would have been much stronger, if there was no PTI petition at all, only Sheikh Rasheed's case..which would have been much easier to prove

Some of our journalists have done fantastic job when they have brought some papers that show that the ownership of the companies was with Shareers in 2001. This is the evidence that is needed to be brought to court's attention.

But PTI's legal being as smart as they are...they have done nothing yet to bring them to court's attention