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Secondly, when I tell you about the millions of us who want this situation to pass over, believe me.
We warned India about it about RSS about Hinduvta ideology. No Pakistani is surprised but im sure many millions that you speak of who didn't pay attention are the one surprised. May it be colonel Purohit or Davinder Singh.
 
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agree thats bs!

not all Hindu are enemy of Pakistan or Islam most want peaceful brotherly relations not just with Pakistan but Muslims living in India as well!

i visited Bombay when i was 9 or 10 years old and we were lost and one guy promised my mother "keh behn app fikar na karo may app ko app ki hotel tak chor keh auun ga" a hindu guy helping Pakistani Muslims i am 36 now and i still remember his gesture!

Thanks for sharing this....kudos buddy.

I judged your character spot on when I came across your posts initially (on this forum regd pak politics). You get it man....you get who the real problem is in all countries.
 
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So, please, do me a favour and back up your statements with facts and not parrot and repeat them till death. Opinions are cheap, facts are not.

Great.

At every stage, I have mentioned facts. I have mentioned the electoral results - you don't listen, you don't WANT to listen. I have mentioned the common resistance to the CAA by people who are not remotely affected - you don't WANT to listen. Tell me what facts will convince you. No point my putting up evidence to which I get stereotyped answers.

Sounds like Nazi's and guess what they started in Germany and then Poland, France, Ukraine, Belarus, Soviet Union.
It's the narrative like "Jewrey and Bolshivic is same"
before hitler invaded Russia. Modi's and bjp sounds same as hitler. We know Hitler was obvious about invading Russia if one didn't believe it was Stalin until he got attacked he was surprised but not the rest of the world. We wana learn from history and stop hitler before he even gets any idea of invading anything.
His move in Kashmir is move Hitler made in regards to Austria. Oh my history surely does repeats itself.

What in this am I supposed to react to? Or is it a general statement of purpose?

I have explained that there is no invasion about to happen. There never was. @xeuss posted a while ago. Read it.
 
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How about this narrative
" We like Indian people but Indian military which is now bjp militarily is root of all problems "
We can have peace as soon as Indians get rid of their military. We can live in peace but as long as Indian military exist there is no peace".
"We believe Indian people but we don't believe in Indian Army"
 
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How else should I respond to indians who claim that india is a superpower that can simultaneously defeat both China and Pakistan together?

Kick them in the arse. They are talking rubbish. Why are you clubbing the rest of us with those twittering idiots? There is one hovering around this thread. Why are you clubbing me with him?
 
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As with other threads, ALL this thread is showing that just as in August 1947, Pakistanis and indians CAN NEVER peacefully coexist with one another and should permanently go their own separate ways with NO interactions WHATSOEVER.

Exactly. Again its not limited to religion difference. All indians hate Pakistan. This Joy is a dangerous guy. He wants all Pakistani to lower their guard down. Think of common indians as peaceful people. Here is the reality of what common indians think of Pakistani people.

 
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As with other threads, ALL this thread is showing that just as in August 1947, Pakistanis and indians CAN NEVER peacefully coexist with one another and should permanently go their own separate ways with NO interactions WHATSOEVER.

This thread is a sublime example of the ridiculous. This is not the only forum I belong to. In the others, we have not problems with each other. So why are we asked to generalise on the basis of your personal disabilities and your personal bad experiences? There are members of PDF who are writing busily in those, engaging in discussions, sometimes with acid in their tones, and glaring at each other and agreeing to disagree. These are not Indian vs. Pakistani, these are those, and these are Indian vs. Indian, with a Pakistani trying to calm people down, Pakistani vs. Pakistani, with an Indian trying to calm people down, and so on.

If you try this, I will take you onto those fora, and you can see for yourself.

Up for the challenge, or are you a coward who is scared of finding he is wrong?
 
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Kick them in the arse. They are talking rubbish. Why are you clubbing the rest of us with those twittering idiots? There is one hovering around this thread. Why are you clubbing me with him?




True. You can't always lump people together just because they are the same race/nationality. Fair point.
 
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That Pakistan does not have the ability to shoot down an indian fighter jet and that the iaf killed exactly 350 terrorists in Balakot and shot down an F-16.

Can you not see, as very many Indians do, the utterly ridiculous aspect of these? Are you not aware, after all your supposed intimate knowledge of all that goes on in India, of the leaders of major political parties who have challenged these statements? Do you not know that the Air Force has claimed one of these three, and has never said a word in support of the other two?
 
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There has been systematic derailment and "truck di batti" strategy at play again in this thread.

Dear members, Ideologies prevail over other ideologies, nationhood or any geo-construct has it's basis of existence until something else replace it. Not to be confused that it's always on ideological basis, sometimes other factors comes in to play eg. language, ethnicity, common values, culture or shared interests.

To answer the end game of Indians, one must understand the construct of India in her current form which is barely 70+ years old. However, before coming to that point lemme reiterate the obvious.

Group of people are most united when under threat from outside force or are subjugated. If under britishers the concept of "indian identity" didn't prevail and Pakistan came in to being. There is a significant flaw in "Indian national identity" as a stand alone phenomenon. The route or ,to unfairly say, ideology India took "as a state" to exist was secularism. There was no other way it could've had justified her existence. No linguistic, ethnic, religious (even under hinduism the subjugation of other castes), or shared values of populace.

However, in order to keep the upper hand it needed to present herself as a replacement or to put it as an alternate to Pakistan's ideology. But only if it was a contest of spelling bee and the one who spells the most beautiful, articulate words of english dictionary was the winner....

Secularism, democracy, justice are beautiful concepts and more beautiful ideas but only if implemented. Caste system, minorities treatment, bigotry against other ethnic and religious groups doesn't match with what india portrayed herself to be.... a secular tolerant state. Pogroms, lynching, prosecution of minorities, ethnicities didn't co-relate. Even economic prospects which can be another co-factor for co-existence didn't prevail.

A strong prosper Pakistan where all these problems weren't existing is an existential threat to India, so it's imperative for Indian state to create the atmosphere where Pakistan is in bad light. Terrorijm was fanned, a narrative was built, thousands of Pakistanis were killed in this war. An atmosphere was created backed by their infamous media to create the narrative. Pakistan=bad... muslims= teerorijm.

However, it back fired, with local populace. As quaid said, muslims of india will justify themselves for the rest of their existence. When gimmickry of secularism didn't work out with local populace, hindutva was fanned. Frustration from bad governance, corruption, racism, hunger etc was directed and channelized towards religious muslims... Pakistan.

As i said earlier, ideologies prevail over other... if indian nationhood ideology was to be that superior kashmiris, mizoram, manipur, nagaland and plenty others won't be fighting for separation. Bangladesh would've had fallen back to India....

Pakistan is nothing but an ideology.. putting Pakistan in bad light is not putting a state under bad light, but is a war of ideologies and civilizations...

@Mangus Ortus Novem @PakSword @masterchief_mirza @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan
 
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Great.

At every stage, I have mentioned facts. I have mentioned the electoral results - you don't listen, you don't WANT to listen. I have mentioned the common resistance to the CAA by people who are not remotely affected - you don't WANT to listen. Tell me what facts will convince you. No point my putting up evidence to which I get stereotyped answers.

What election results, I aplogise if I missed any of your previous posts, but your elections are fought and won on Muslim and Pakistan hatred.

CAA protest prove my point rather than yours, an oppressed minority and that took the lead and a minority of people from other communities supported them, look at the result, the roits and the killings that followed.

No one said good people do not exist in India, obviously they do, anyone who says otherwise is an idiot or says it in a moment of emotional outburst. What I and we are saying is that those people are in a minority, we are referring to a large majority that is full of hate.

Read my original post, the Indian mindset differentiates between a Pakistani (individual), Pakistanis (the collective) and Pakistan (nation, country, army for them it is interchangeable)

Hundred and thousands of examples of hate are ignored and few odd examples are put forward to support an opposing view, it does not make sense.

We honestly are not saying this to put India or Indians down, but we are tired of this hatred from across the border, and sorely wish our Indian brothers to join us for a new future. That is all. It cannot happen until the reality is recognised.

If you want my examples, please ask away.
 
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