PakPositivism: How to manage Discourse for PakPosters on PDF!!!

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

@peagle
@omegalamba7X79
@PAKISTANFOREVER

I have a petition to present.

Please leave India out of your deliberations to manage discourse among Pakistani posters on PDF. Please leave Indians out. I will undertake never to be heard in your midst.

If you bring in India and Indians, I am honour bound to defend my country. Whatever the consequences. Please understand my compulsions; it does not matter if the Modi-fans run away. I cannot.

Take this as a humble prayer.

You cannot control our conversations on the topic. This is PDF, and our experience with India/Indians is directly related to our Pakistani ideology.

I thought we had already settled this when one of you guys was trying to stop us from talking about Gandhi.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

YOU warned India?

I can't answer that. I am bereft of words.

My son-in-law just published his book based on his PhD thesis on the denial of justice to the victims in Gujarat.

Just hang on while I tell him that he knew nothing about all this until you personally told him. He will want to know.



I quoted the percentage of the popular vote that the BJP and allies won, and that indicates that it is just about one-third of the voting people. 61% voted otherwise. They did not vote against Muslims, or for hatred of Pakistan.



No, a thousand times no. There were myriads of Hindus and Sikhs - the Sikhs were the most prominent, bless them - who stood by, or joined the protesters.

We stand outraged and helpless at the miscarriage of justice that followed the riots, the killings and the police cases. These are positions freely available in the media.



On the contrary, I put it to you that it is a minority, a very active and very manipulative minority, that is occluding the wishes and opinions of the majority.

I went through this exact same thing when the Naxalites overran Calcutta in 1967-70. How ironic that at the end of my life, I have to see it again.

@peagle
@omegalamba7X79
@PAKISTANFOREVER

I have a petition to present.

Please leave India out of your deliberations to manage discourse among Pakistani posters on PDF. Please leave Indians out. I will undertake never to be heard in your midst.

If you bring in India and Indians, I am honour bound to defend my country. Whatever the consequences. Please understand my compulsions; it does not matter if the Modi-fans run away. I cannot.

Take this as a humble prayer.

That can ONLY happen if ALL indians On PDF NEVER EVER discuss Pakistan or EVER mention Pakistan or Pakistanis. IF they do, then I am duty bound to defend my nation and people. If that is an issue, then ALL indians can leave PDF and stick to their own forums where they can say whatever they want and express their indianess till their hearts content. There will be no opposition from me then.

 

[Joe Shearer]

IF they do, then I am duty bound to defend my nation and people.

Absolutely. And I pledge to stand by you. You have my word.

My request is for this thread alone, though.

 

[Ace of Spades]

You cannot control our conversations on the topic. This is PDF, and our experience with India/Indians is directly related to our Pakistani ideology.

I thought we had already settled this when one of you guys was trying to stop us from talking about Gandhi.

Intellectual dishonesty is inherent with some here... so ignore and don't take the bait.

 

[peagle]

@peagle
@omegalamba7X79
@PAKISTANFOREVER

I have a petition to present.

Please leave India out of your deliberations to manage discourse among Pakistani posters on PDF. Please leave Indians out. I will undertake never to be heard in your midst.

If you bring in India and Indians, I am honour bound to defend my country. Whatever the consequences. Please understand my compulsions; it does not matter if the Modi-fans run away. I cannot.

Take this as a humble prayer.

Whether India is part of the discussion, depends on the topic,
Are you asking us for censorship, do you not know how crazy that sounds?

You are honour bound to defend the truth, I thought that was obvious. I honestly at no point defend Pakistan, I say what I believe to be the truth and always back it up with reasoned arguments and have proof whenever asked.

Is that not the basic premise of a discussion forum, to discuss or argue so truth can be found. At least that is my approach.

 

[Joe Shearer]

You cannot control our conversations on the topic. This is PDF, and our experience with India/Indians is directly related to our Pakistani ideology.

I thought we had already settled this when one of you guys was trying to stop us from talking about Gandhi.

It was a petition, an humble prayer. It is for you to accept or to reject.

I am nobody to insist.

You are honour bound to defend the truth, I thought that was obvious. I honestly at no point defend Pakistan, I say what I believe to be the truth and always back it up with reasoned arguments and have proof whenever asked.

Look at the older posts on this thread, and tell me what I should have done. What I could have done.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

What election results, I aplogise if I missed any of your previous posts, but your elections are fought and won on Muslim and Pakistan hatred.

CAA protest prove my point rather than yours, an oppressed minority and that took the lead and a minority of people from other communities supported them, look at the result, the roits and the killings that followed.

No one said good people do not exist in India, obviously they do, anyone who says otherwise is an idiot or says it in a moment of emotional outburst. What I and we are saying is that those people are in a minority, we are referring to a large majority that is full of hate.

Read my original post, the Indian mindset differentiates between a Pakistani (individual), Pakistanis (the collective) and Pakistan (nation, country, army for them it is interchangeable)

Hundred and thousands of examples of hate are ignored and few odd examples are put forward to support an opposing view, it does not make sense.

We honestly are not saying this to put India or Indians down, but we are tired of this hatred from across the border, and sorely wish our Indian brothers to join us for a new future. That is all. It cannot happen until the reality is recognised.

If you want my examples, please ask away.

Thanks for your post.

Different Pakistanis have different thresholds when dealing with the rabid and frankly uncalled for hate from India and Indians. Again, not all but the vast, vast majority of Indian Hindus hate Pakistan and Muslims.

However we are all coming to the same conclusion, no matter how long it takes and how much optimism we have for the Indians.

When fascism stares at your country, people, and desires to enslave, abuse, and harm them, no Pakistani will stand for it.

Pakistan is our holy land, it is the citadel of our faith and ideology, passed down from our elders. We will defend it from the onslaught by any invaders.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Is that not the basic premise of a discussion forum, to discuss or argue so truth can be found. At least that is my approach.

Discussion, of course. Undiluted abuse? Please look for yourself and let your conscience be the judge.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Absolutely. And I pledge to stand by you. You have my word.

My request is for this thread alone, though.

With all due respect, it is not the right or prerogative of ANY indian to tell Pakistanis what they can or cannot discuss on Pakistani forums. It's NONE of your business. Just like we Pakistanis don't have the right to tell indians what they can or cannot discuss on their forums.

If you don't like it then feel free to leave. No one is forcing you to be on a Pakistani forum.

 

[Joe Shearer]

With all due respect, it is not the right or prerogative of ANY indian to tell Pakistanis what they can or cannot discuss on Pakistani forums. It's NONE of your business. Just like we Pakistanis don't have the right to tell indians what they can or cannot discuss on their forums.

If you don't like it then feel free to leave. No one is forcing you to be on a Pakistani forum.

I hear you. Let me hear the others.

 

[omegalamba7XL9]

If he had published earlier, this man would not have been the Prime Minister

Nope I actually meant that his publication is irrelevant to this very topic and I have no idea why you need to rub PHD here and somehow implying that he knows better. Such a nerdy behavior

 

[peagle]

Discussion, of course. Undiluted abuse? Please look for yourself and let your conscience be the judge.

I recognise, not everyone knows how to present themselves appropriately or how to argue their points well, but that’s why you ignore those with such an approach, and concentrate on those offering a reasoned discussion. Reasoned discussion doesn’t mean they say what you like, reasoned discussion is that they make a statement and back it up, and offer a critical appraisal of your arguments.

If I myself involuntarily overstepped the line, please highlight and I will apologise, I don’t think I have, the people you found were without logical arguments, please ignore them. I ignore so much here.

My purpose is to kill a point to death because I want to get to the truth, for that you need to explore different aspect of the same point.

If someone slings mud because they can’t take logical arguments then sling back and ignore them.

With all due respect, it is not the right or prerogative of ANY indian to tell Pakistanis what they can or cannot discuss on Pakistani forums. It's NONE of your business. Just like we Pakistanis don't have the right to tell indians what they can or cannot discuss on their forums.

If you don't like it then feel free to leave. No one is forcing you to be on a Pakistani forum.

Bro, Thats a bit strong, he is a good guy. What he said was wrong, but no need to say he can leave. Lets at least recognise the good ones, even if they disagree with us.
Sorry, just saying.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Nope I actually meant that his publishing is irrelevant to this very topic and I have no idea why you need to rub PHD here and somehow implying that he knows better. Such a nerdy behavior

You need help to comprehend even simple English.

If I myself involuntarily overstepped the line, please highlight and I will apologise, I don’t think I have, the people you found were without logical arguments, please ignore them. I ignore so much here.

That simple statement wipes out everything else.

Tag me in when you do. I have arguments to present for both sides.

A separate thread, please?

 

[omegalamba7XL9]

You need help to comprehend even simple English.

Sure thing. I was never a product of slavery so never felt to prove anything to anyone may it be language or education.
And if that's the only criticism you have then its fine with me doesn't bother me at all. I speak and understand 5 languages and English is one of them.

 

[HalfMoon]

Sure thing. I was never a product of slavery so never felt to prove anything to anyone may it be language or education.
And if that's the only criticism you have then its fine with me doesn't bother me at all. I speak and understand 5 languages and English is one of them.

Owned him.