PakPositivism: How to manage Discourse for PakPosters on PDF!!!

[peagle]

The people of Pakistan, far from being bullied, have attacked, with arms, three times so far. Please don't put up that victim imagery. It is past its use-by date.



You cannot impose your view on 1.3 billion people and insist that they discover within themselves something that simply doesn't exist.

Ok, I was trying to show you respect, obviously that doesnt work on you lot.

Lets discuss facts, not your fantasies, Please show some class, dont act like Gandhi and Nehru
How many times we attacked you and how many times you attacked us.

Sonny boy, no one is impossing anything on you 1.3 billion fantasy lovers, we are showing you facts, recognise them or remain in your fantasies, we couldnt give a damn.

 

[omegalamba7XL9]

Just this one fixation shows that we are dealing with the completely adrift minds of those who insist that Pakistan is in danger from India. It is not. And the 27th of February was a silly little incident that shook no one except Pakistani fanboys excited beyond belief at finally having a shred of a superior situation to satisfy their bruised egos.

Fanboy Did we loose an F16?
The myth of mighty Indian army is smoking and ablaze all across.
Let me show you something she isn't our well wishes but she does have wishes unfortunately not all wisher come true.

Whole panel of prestigious servicemen lying out of their asses.
You can't hide the truth. And this is exactly what we are trying to analyze here. INDIAN mentality that contradicts with reality. So how can we value your words about feb 27 when you are suffering from same propaganda. Deep inside your prestige was hurt on the same day as well. All claims all tech all might was wrecked. You are stuck on air battle but you keep ignoring intentionally the bigger question which is, it was India's move next and they didn't make any move and instead acted like a looser drunk who after facing humiliation comes home and beats his kids or wife. Thats what India did a bitch move in Aug .

 

[Joe Shearer]

As I said before the reality at this very moment is India wants total destruction of Pakistan forget the past and arguments over who did what lets talk present.

Think, please.

The BJP is NOT interested in Pakistan. It is interested in the Muslim Indian and in victimising and ill-treating that class of Indian citizens. 'Pakistan' is a convenient label for an entity that can be attacked without exciting the furious resentment that the CAA aroused.

'Pakistan' is also a channel to demonstrate the manliness and courage of a bunch of arrant cowards.

WHY are you not able to see through these shallow, plastic positions?

If Indians have initiated their own destruction then we just wana make sure fire doesn't reach us. May you enjoy burning your house this time you can't blame Pakistan. You just let us know when ready we will end it quickly and save you the pain. We also wana focus on our people but you can't do that until a snake is in your backyard which can strike at anytime.

What do you want me to say, when I read this preposterous stuff? Fire, burning house, snake in the backyard - don't you have anything better to do?

Pakistanis are a proud vibrant passionate people that respond with interest. Joe lately the abuse has increased tenfold with Modi at the helm.

It has.

No doubt about that.

What I find most irritating is the constant refrain that we have fallen from our former high position of moral eminence. For 67 years, we behaved consistently towards Pakistan, but got abuse in return from a section - a narrow section of Pakistani. Now suddenly, what we got abused for is today the gold standard of behaviour.

Wow.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Think, please.

The BJP is NOT interested in Pakistan. It is interested in the Muslim Indian and in victimising and ill-treating that class of Indian citizens. 'Pakistan' is a convenient label for an entity that can be attacked without exciting the furious resentment that the CAA aroused.

'Pakistan' is also a channel to demonstrate the manliness and courage of a bunch of arrant cowards.

WHY are you not able to see through these shallow, plastic positions?



What do you want me to say, when I read this preposterous stuff? Fire, burning house, snake in the backyard - don't you have anything better to do?



It has.

No doubt about that.

What I find most irritating is the constant refrain that we have fallen from our former high position of moral eminence. For 67 years, we behaved consistently towards Pakistan, but got abuse in return from a section - a narrow section of Pakistani. Now suddenly, what we got abused for is today the gold standard of behaviour.

Wow.

So you admit that indians hate Pakistan so much that the very mention of Pakistan can trigger indian hindus and sikhs to carry out genocide and oppression of indian Muslims?

 

[xeuss]

My Paks,

What is India's End Game?

By taking the bait and going off-track... we are not going to apply Our CollectiveMind yet again...

See through it... and back to FOCUS!!!

Pakistan is The Heartlan!!!

Mangus

Your question is difficult to answer, because it assumes that all of India speaks with one voice and that same voice has had the same opinion for the last 72 years. As within any society, there are a variety of opinions.

At this point in history, the voices of fascism are louder than any other. People like @Joe Shearer have been reduced to an inconsequential minority (oh no...Joe will challenge me on this).

So to answer your question with the specifically in terms of the RSS and the associated Sanghis, here is what I offer as my opinion:

Pakistan is nothing more than an irritant and a reminder of failure of Hindus to subjugate the Muslims. There is no desire to destroy or capture Pakistan, because they do not want hordes of Muslims within their boundaries, but they would like the state of Pakistan to be subjugated and subservient to India. They want it to remain a failed state surviving on the whims of India and other powers. This is similar to what India does sees its relationship with Nepal or Maldives.

For the Muslims within India, the RSS and Sanghis have different plans. They range from genocide to detention camps to disenfranchisement to the neo-Dalits. All depends on the flavor of the month.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Stupidity.

I am sorry. This is my candid assessment. India cannot be held responsible for the personal experiences that have made one individual hostile; from whatever has imagined, there have been encounters in Britain that have bruised his ego.

Articulate? Are you joking? A person with exactly three thoughts that come out like the crocodile youngling from the Panchatantra? These are the three:

1. Are you sure? Do you have INCONTROVERTIBLE proof? From a neutral source?
2. We Pakistanis are of a different race from the Indians.
3. The Indians hate us and think they are superior.

THAT is articulate? Are you serious? Can you name a fourth thought that has clouded this mind?



The people of Pakistan, far from being bullied, have attacked, with arms, three times so far. Please don't put up that victim imagery. It is past its use-by date.



You cannot impose your view on 1.3 billion people and insist that they discover within themselves something that simply doesn't exist.

Are you implying that indians in fact don't hate Pakistanis or Muslims and we have just imagined and made it all up?..............

 

[HalfMoon]

Pakistan can't wait to understand that outcome of Indian End game.
Feb 27 shook India to such extent that they are making one mistake after another. Currently they are looking for "Battle of Kursk" which means no strategic objective just a victory to show that they are capable militarily.
They should be denied that victory wherever and however long possible. The longer we do that the longer their prestige as military power will deatoriates and confidence about fighting Pakistan is shattered completely.

India losing the battle to Pakistan on 27th Feb, 2019 made their entire IAF fighters useless.

Since then they have been trembling with fear and have been desparately waiting for the Rafales to arrive. But Guess what Rafales will not be operation ready until 2025. So Pakistan and China have a 5 years window where India is extremely vulnerable.

Chinese have tested the Indians since the last 2 months and Indians have surrendered without fail.

 

[Joe Shearer]

The blatant racial motivated government of India actively encourage and set out policies to demonise punish and on certain instances kill Muslims - if you can’t see the eventual raw hatred in retaliation then I’m afraid you are naive.

So that's your reaction; tell me, where were you when there were those among us who shouted to the high heavens about the monster in the making in Gujarat?

I have been a member here since 2009. When you want to correct the errors of your ways of thinking, and the way you react to liberal Indians who have NO enmity to Pakistan, there is a simple test.

Check my posts.

Find ONE that is not consistent with whatever I have said here. ONE. From 2009 to 2020. Eleven Years. Find ONE. Speak to those who have among you interacted with me. Gather the evidence before giving me the Perry Mason ones.

I HAVE PAID MY DUES.

 

[peagle]

Let me explain that I have enough Pakistani friends, of impeccable credentials, more than twice or even thrice the number of you participating in this thread, not to need reassurances about the soundness of my views. I assure you, these are not fools, and these are not disloyal. They are among the salt of the earth, and they possess a fierce loyalty to their country, Pakistan. If they affirm my integrity, and accept that I am not alone but represent millions of people, I am content.

I will hope with the greatest of goodwill that YOU will one day join us. I mean that with sincerity and with kind intentions, and not a morsel of condescension.

If by us, you mean peace lovers, then we are in the same company as I sincerely believe you want that to, I do repect you for that, I honestly do.

But you are oblivios of the obvious.

Dont bring the circle of friends you believe you have, argue the point not abstract ideas. I have known people of Indian origin born here and born/raised in India and other countries, thats the beauty of UK, you meet everyone. Also, I am reasonably well aware, and well read, at least on the topics I discuss.

I have known my friends very closely, attended Christenings, dressed up as Santa Claus, attended Durga Puja events, attended Gurdwara for more then just a visit and so on, I am not here to advertise my credentials, my opinons are backed by facts, they do not rely on my credentials of who I know and what I do culturally in my life etc etc etc

So, please, do me a favour and back up your statements with facts and not parrot and repeat them till death. Opinions are cheap, facts are not.

 

[omegalamba7XL9]

The BJP is NOT interested in Pakistan. It is interested in the Muslim Indian and in victimising and ill-treating that class of Indian citizens. 'Pakistan' is a convenient label for an entity that can be attacked without exciting the furious resentment that the CAA aroused.

'Pakistan' is also a channel to demonstrate the manliness and courage of a bunch of arrant cowards.

Sounds like Nazi's and guess what they started in Germany and then Poland, France, Ukraine, Belarus, Soviet Union.
It's the narrative like "Jewrey and Bolshivic is same"
before hitler invaded Russia. Modi's and bjp sounds same as hitler. We know Hitler was obvious about invading Russia if one didn't believe it was Stalin until he got attacked he was surprised but not the rest of the world. We wana learn from history and stop hitler before he even gets any idea of invading anything.
His move in Kashmir is move Hitler made in regards to Austria. Oh my history surely does repeats itself.

 

[Musings]

Stupidity.

I am sorry. This is my candid assessment. India cannot be held responsible for the personal experiences that have made one individual hostile; from whatever has imagined, there have been encounters in Britain that have bruised his ego.

Articulate? Are you joking? A person with exactly three thoughts that come out like the crocodile youngling from the Panchatantra? These are the three:

1. Are you sure? Do you have INCONTROVERTIBLE proof? From a neutral source?
2. We Pakistanis are of a different race from the Indians.
3. The Indians hate us and think they are superior.

THAT is articulate? Are you serious? Can you name a fourth thought that has clouded this mind?

.

You selectively pick and choose what you want from my post without absorbing it all - not impressive. Joe I’m ready for bed - I will attempt again to take the horse to water tomorrow - have a good night

 

[Joe Shearer]

My personal frustrations are slightly different - my fathers land is in Kashmir. I can’t visit or even dream to see the soil due to daily firings into our family house. Imagine how you would feel when some Indian troll like for example drumstick attempts to give Pakistani trolling attempts suggesting we deserve etc - probably lives 1000s miles away - never seen a Kashmiri and yet wants to voice his pretence of love of the land ..... it creates more new stronger venom ....

If you call me, on a number I will give you, I will connect you to Kashmiris, both Muslim and Hindu, who are now in Kashmir, and who will tell you what my position has been, consistently, from long before today, from long before Modi.

To you and to others, I have one thing to say: put these to the test or hold your mouths about my personal integrity.

Secondly, when I tell you about the millions of us who want this situation to pass over, believe me. I am not a beggar asking for alms when I tell you that every member of my family is involved, is committed, and that they are among millions more. DON'T tell me what is the general opinion in India. I know. And I know you gentlemen are wrong.

You selectively pick and choose what you want from my post without absorbing it all - not impressive. Joe I’m ready for bed - I will attempt again to take the horse to water tomorrow - have a good night

I have suggested some concrete tests for you. It is past two in the morning; here I am, a 70 year old with a heart condition who is passionate enough to stay up and tell you that you are wrong about India and Indians.

Go to bed, and good night to you.

I for one have no idea wtf you're on about here lol

Right.

Now **** off.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

As with other threads, ALL this thread is showing that just as in August 1947, Pakistanis and indians CAN NEVER peacefully coexist with one another and should permanently go their own separate ways with NO interactions WHATSOEVER.

 

[Joe Shearer]

So you admit that indians hate Pakistan so much that the very mention of Pakistan can trigger indian hindus and sikhs to carry out genocide and oppression of indian Muslims?

No.

There is cheddar cheese available in Indian shops but the Moon is not made of green cheese.

People like @Joe Shearer have been reduced to an inconsequential minority (oh no...Joe will challenge me on this).

LOL.

You back-stabbing treacherous tyke. Muh mein Ram Ram, bagal mein chhuri.

Pakistan is nothing more than an irritant and a reminder of failure of Hindus to subjugate the Muslims. There is no desire to destroy or capture Pakistan, because they do not want hordes of Muslims within their boundaries, but they would like the state of Pakistan to be subjugated and subservient to India. They want it to remain a failed state surviving on the whims of India and other powers. This is similar to what India does sees its relationship with Nepal or Maldives.

WHAT THE **** HAVE I BEEN SAYING DIFFERENT?

I could cry, @xeuss.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Stupidity.

I am sorry. This is my candid assessment. India cannot be held responsible for the personal experiences that have made one individual hostile; from whatever has imagined, there have been encounters in Britain that have bruised his ego.

Articulate? Are you joking? A person with exactly three thoughts that come out like the crocodile youngling from the Panchatantra? These are the three:

1. Are you sure? Do you have INCONTROVERTIBLE proof? From a neutral source?
2. We Pakistanis are of a different race from the Indians.
3. The Indians hate us and think they are superior.

THAT is articulate? Are you serious? Can you name a fourth thought that has clouded this mind?



The people of Pakistan, far from being bullied, have attacked, with arms, three times so far. Please don't put up that victim imagery. It is past its use-by date.



You cannot impose your view on 1.3 billion people and insist that they discover within themselves something that simply doesn't exist.

How else should I respond to indians who claim that india is a superpower that can simultaneously defeat both China and Pakistan together? That Pakistan does not have the ability to shoot down an indian fighter jet and that the iaf killed exactly 350 terrorists in Balakot and shot down an F-16.............