Pakistani Biharis used to treat us, Bengalis as their slaves - Mukti Bahini fighter

[UKBengali]

This is the Indian propaganda which the Kao Boys wrote..the fact that most of the invested capital in the East was from the west...the East had 53% share in population but only 8% in economy.

Yeah whatever.

Now BD GDP/capita grows at 6% a year while Pakistan is at 3%
Independent BD is growing like Pakistan has never done in all it's history.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

@UKBengali

Well many East Pakistan (Bengali folks) feel well West Pakistan was super rich , which they were not given cash
reality (Which I raised in first few pages)

1- East Pakistan (Bangladesh) had flood not 1 , not 2 but 8-9 flood between 1958 -1971
2- In between India attacked , Pakistan & East Pakistan to put more misery on the East Pakistan residents
3- I asked my parents how much people earned in West Pakistan , and my parents stated people with good jobs earned few rupees , hundred if extremely lucky.
4- Only difference was we had less floods so our homes were not destroyed frequently
5- Did we had oil ? Riches ? no
6- 300 rupee was salary of a middle class family if they were lucky to be in good company


Did West Pakistan not Move Textile Industry in East Pakistan ?

• Answer = Yes (Fact), considering we had 8-9 devastating floods (i.e 25% of country under water) , West Pakistan tried to move industry to East Pakistan

Now lets look at India what it did ?

• 1965 , right after 2 Floods in East Pakistan (Bangladesh) , yep it attacked Pakistan
  
• 1971 , right after 1970 floods / cyclone , yep it attacked West & East Pakistan

Natural Disaster & Flood water coming from "INDIA" is what made Bangladesh poor

Think logically


Imagine two Families , they both make 300 rupee / month

-------------West Pakistan---------------------------------------------------East Pakistan
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Year 1 : Make Home -------------------------------------------------------Make home

Year 2 : Paint it ---------------------------------------------------------------Flood, 80% home lost, gets aid

Year 3 : Put nice door ------------------------------------------------------ No money , rebuilding

Year 4 : No money -------------------------------------------------------- Flood , 95% home gone gets aid

Year 5 : Made a small garden------------------------------------------- Made shed with sticks, low aid

Year 6 : Buys bicycle ------------------------------------------------------ Flood again !!!!!!

Year 7 : War with India ---------------------------------------------------- War with India

Year 8: Paint same old home , bought radio-------------------------- Made shed with sticks

Year 9 : Bought a door for home ---------------------------------------- Flood again , 90% home lost

Year 10 : War with india ------------------------------------------------------ War with India !!!!!


So you can see how naturally 1 family remains poor even with government help and making same salary


The core issue is FLOOD from waters from INDIA !!!

This is India's doing since 1950's , water is sent from 2 rivers to cause massive damage to East Pakistan (Bangladesh Economy)



INDIA = CAUSE OF FLOOD
SINCE 1950!!!

There is no river from West Pakistan , that does this , it is the water coming from

INDIA !!!

 

[UKBengali]

@UKBengali

Well many East Pakistan (Bengali folks) feel well West Pakistan was super rich , which they were not given cash
reality (Which I raised in first few pages)

1- East Pakistan (Bangladesh) had flood not 1 , not 2 but 8-9 flood between 1958 -1971
2- In between India attacked , Pakistan & East Pakistan to put more misery on the East Pakistan residents
3- I asked my parents how much people earned in West Pakistan , and my parents stated people with good jobs earned few rupees , hundred if extremely lucky.
4- Only difference was we had less floods so our homes were not destroyed frequently
5- Did we had oil ? Riches ? no
6- 300 rupee was salary of a middle class family if they were lucky to be in good company


Did West Pakistan not Move Textile Industry in East Pakistan ?

• Answer = Yes (Fact), considering we had 8-9 devastating floods (i.e 25% of country under water) , West Pakistan tried to move industry to East Pakistan

Now lets look at India what it did ?

• 1965 , right after 2 Floods in East Pakistan (Bangladesh) , yep it attacked Pakistan
  
• 1971 , right after 1970 floods / cyclone , yep it attacked West & East Pakistan

Natural Disaster & Flood water coming from "INDIA" is what made Bangladesh poor

Think logically


Imagine two Families

-------------West Pakistan---------------------------------------------------East Pakistan
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Year 1 : Make Home -------------------------------------------------------Make home

Year 2 : Paint it ---------------------------------------------------------------Flood, 80% home lost, gets aid

Year 3 : Put nice door ------------------------------------------------------ No money , rebuilding

Year 4 : No money -------------------------------------------------------- Flood , 95% home gone gets aid

Year 5 : Made a small garden------------------------------------------- Made shed with sticks, low aid

Year 6 : Buys bicycle ------------------------------------------------------ Flood again !!!!!!

Year 7 : War with India ---------------------------------------------------- War with India

Year 8: Paint same old home , bought radio-------------------------- Made shed with sticks

Year 9 : Bought a door for home ---------------------------------------- Flood again , 90% home lost

Year 10 : War with india ------------------------------------------------------ War with India !!!!!


So you can see how naturally 1 family remains poor even with government help


The core issue is FLOOD from waters from INDIA !!!

Nice try but....

India still pours water down to BD causing floods, but the economy keeps growing quicker and quicker every decade. It is now growing at over 7% a year. Infrastructure is finally being built at the required rates to allow the economy to expand at maximum speed by early next decade - 8-9% a year. Last decade's average GDP growth of 6% a year would have been even faster if BD had infrastructure like either Pakistan or India.

Accept Pakistan's wrongdoing and then we can move on. BD's enemy is India and not Pakistan.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

East Pakistani (Bangali) are hard working people and that is why in West Pakistan we had many Bangali back ground folks across history (Poets, singers , musicians / Actors etc)


Just recently I saw a show that showed the East Pakistanis who were in airforce that helped defeat India in 1965 air war

For me I have 0% negative reaction to East Pakistan (Bangladesh's growth) , the numbers look great hopefully you guys don't get more floods



If India continues its dirty bijness , let us know

 

[Kambojaric]

Yeah whatever.

Now BD GDP/capita grows at 6% a year while Pakistan is at 3%
Independent BD is growing like Pakistan has never done in all it's history.

I dont know why so many Bangladeshis live under the illusion that after independence they became so much better off financially. Even non-Pakistani sources like World Bank clearly statethat Bangladesh and Pakistan were on par pre 71, and post 71 Pakistan actually speeded past Bangladesh as far as growth rates were concerned.

https://www.google.com/publicdata/e...0&tend=1312354800000&hl=en_US&dl=en&ind=false

The only reason why Bangladesh has been performing better than Pakistan in recent years is because the latter has been in a de facto state of war. Tens of thousands of Pakistanis have died in recent years in terrorist attacks, not to mention hundreds of soldiers who have died along the Afghan border. This has had a hugely negative impact on FDI into Pakistan thereby impacting the wider economy. However as history shows, this small period is an anomaly in the larger picture and no doubt as things calm down in Pakistan, things will return to normal in Pakistan. Nevertheless despite all the ongoing political and militant instability, the Pakistani economy is growing as per the World Bank at 5.5%. Not far behind Bangladesh.

Dont get me wrong, I have nothing against Bangladesh and hope you guys do well too, but please this propaganda of"we got dragged behind because of you (Pakistanis) and now we are doing so well is complete nonsense.

 

[UKBengali]

I dont know why so many Bangladeshis live under the illusion that after independence they became so much better off financially. Even non-Pakistani sources like World Bank clearly statethat Bangladesh and Pakistan were on par pre 71, and post 71 Pakistan actually speeded past Bangladesh as far as growth rates were concerned.

https://www.google.com/publicdata/e...0&tend=1312354800000&hl=en_US&dl=en&ind=false

The only reason why Bangladesh has been performing better than Pakistan in recent years is because the latter has been in a de facto state of war. Tens of thousands of Pakistanis have died in recent years in terrorist attacks, not to mention hundreds of soldiers who have died along the Afghan border. This has had a hugely negative impact on FDI into Pakistan thereby impacting the wider economy. However as history shows, this small period is an anomaly in the larger picture and no doubt as things calm down in Pakistan, things will return to normal in Pakistan. Dont get me wrong, I have nothing against Bangladesh and hope you guys do well too, but please this propaganda of "we got dragged behind because of you (Pakistanis)" is complete nonsense.

LOL- this does not take Pakistan's higher population growth into account. All we are interested in is GDP capita and not total GDP. And the graph only goes to 2011 and it also shows BD with an earlier GDP base year measurement compared to Pakistan.

War on terror was a result of Pakistan's own misguided policies. No foreigner forced it in you and so it is just
bad governance by Pakistanis and you need to accept responsibility for this.

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

@AZADPAKISTAN2009 @UKBengali chill out, East Pakistan leaving was the best thing to happen while the circumstances weren't the best, it was bound to happen.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Hey I am being hoest I asked my parents how much people made in 60s and 70's my mom said if folks made 100-300 rupee they were considered very well to do


So it is not like West Pakistan was making Billions , and each Pakistani on West Side as super duper rich , it was unfortunate that East Pakistan had floods and it effected their growth and economy

all from Indian rivers 99% of time

If anything Balgladesh (East Pakistan) should demand 800 Billion from India for flood damage

 

[Kambojaric]

LOL- this does not take Pakistan's higher population growth into account. All we are interested in is GDP capita and not total GDP. And the graph only goes to 2011 and it also shows BD with an earlier GDP base year measurement compared to Pakistan.

War on terror was a result of Pakistan's own misguided policies. No foreigner forced it in you and so it is just
bad governance by Pakistanis and you need to accept responsibility for this.

I just realized you are the guy who was trying to compare Bangladesh with the G20 member Indonesia

https://defence.pk/threads/indonesi...stani-drug-convict.441544/page-5#post-8521712

I will end the discussion here, since the probability is it will end up with claims being made that Bangladesh on the basis of its "7%" growth rate deserves a place on the UN security council.

@AZADPAKISTAN2009 @UKBengali chill out, East Pakistan leaving was the best thing to happen while the circumstances weren't the best, it was bound to happen.

Its interesting actually how our economy grew so much stronger after the Bengalis left. I always presumed we were stronger as a whole when they were part of Pakistan, but apparently they were dragging things down it seems.

 

[LA se Karachi]

LOL- this does not take Pakistan's higher population growth into account. All we are interested in is GDP capita and not total GDP. And the graph only goes to 2011 and it also shows BD with an earlier GDP base year measurement compared to Pakistan.

War on terror was a result of Pakistan's own misguided policies. No foreigner forced it in you and so it is just
bad governance by Pakistanis and you need to accept responsibility for this.

I will end the discussion here, since the probability is it will end up with claims being made that Bangladesh on the basis of its "7%" growth rate deserves a place on the UN security council.

Its interesting actually how our economy grew so much stronger after the Bengalis left. I always presumed we were stronger as a whole when they were part of Pakistan, but apparently they were dragging things down it seems.

Sadly, it seems that some of them will never learn. They will always have this delusional mentality of "We are better than you". It's no surprise to me that Pakistan has done better since 1971 (or 1975). We are indeed better off.

And more importantly, this is what GDP per capita, PPP looks like:

https://www.google.com/publicdata/e...0&tend=1410159600000&hl=en_US&dl=en&ind=false

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

Its interesting actually how our economy grew so much stronger after the Bengalis left. I always presumed we were stronger as a whole when they were part of Pakistan, but apparently they were dragging things down it seems.

A child that is starved during life isn't going to grow up and become an Olympic Gold Star....

Bangladeshi Independence allowed for complete local rule, as despotic the begums are they are still accountable, somewhat, to the standard of living of the common man.

 

[Nilgiri]

Sadly, it seems that some of them will never learn. They will always have this delusional mentality of "We are better than you". It's no surprise to me that Pakistan has done better since 1971 (or 1975). We are indeed better off.

And more importantly, this is what GDP per capita, PPP looks like:

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https://www.google.com/publicdata/e...0&tend=1410159600000&hl=en_US&dl=en&ind=false

So they have just started consuming per person what Pakistanis were doing in early 90s.

Thats a large gap indeed, but Pakistan must really start to grow too. Too much plateauing going on....given Pakistan low poverty rate. That GCF has to really be pushed, there is something really wrong with Pakistan financials as to why the govt does not implement simple policies that both India and BD did to get the GCF high.....did not need to wait for CPEC at all.

 

[LA se Karachi]

So they have just started consuming per person what Pakistanis were doing in early 90s.

Thats a large gap indeed, but Pakistan must really start to grow too. Too much plateauing going on....given Pakistan low poverty rate. That GCF has to really be pushed, there is something really wrong with Pakistan financials as to why the govt does not implement simple policies that both India and BD did to get the GCF high.....did not need to wait for CPEC at all.

Right on all points. Pakistan's political leadership, especially the "civilian" leadership remains disappointing and is more concerned about its next election than future economic growth. It seems that the only thing that can get the country back on track economically is CPEC. Unlike our leaders who think 5 years ahead, China thinks 20-30 years ahead. China has a great track record in development. And it will not let this very ambitious project fail, whatever Pakistan might do.

As for gross capital formation, overall it remains underwhelming. But things are moving in the right direction again:

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NE.GDI.TOTL.KD.ZG?end=2015&locations=PK-IN-BD&start=1995

It has caught up to its neighbors in terms of annual percentage growth and is on an upward trend (I expect this to continue):

Pakistan: 7.97% (2015) ---- up from 6.3% in 2014

India: 6.34% (2014)

Bangladesh: 7.12% (2015)

 

[Nilgiri]

Right on all points. Pakistan's political leadership, especially the "civilian" leadership remains disappointing and is more concerned about its next election than future economic growth. It seems that the only thing that can get the country back on track economically is CPEC. Unlike our leaders who think 5 years ahead, China thinks 20-30 years ahead. China has a great track record in development. And it will not let this very ambitious project fail, whatever Pakistan might do.

As for gross capital formation, overall it remains underwhelming. But things are moving in the right direction again:

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http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NE.GDI.TOTL.KD.ZG?end=2015&locations=PK-IN-BD&start=1995

It has caught up to its neighbors in terms of annual percentage growth and is on an upward trend (I expect this to continue):

Pakistan: 7.97% (2015) ---- up from 6.3% in 2014

India: 6.34% (2014)

Bangladesh: 7.12% (2015)

Heh I didn't even know WB kept tabs on the growth % of it. Nice.

Yeah growth is one thing....but it needs to stick for a while at appreciable double digit magnitude to get it past 20% level overall quickly.

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NE.GDI.TOTL.ZS?locations=PK-IN-BD

Like you gotta be doubling and tripling the GCF growth rate relative to GDP growth to get the GCF/GDP % where it really should be (mid 20s at least).

8% is welcome (it will increase overall GCF by about 0.5% of GDP per year assuming Pakistan GDP grows at 5%ish), but it needs like 20%+ growth for a few years to make headway...especially when Pak economic growth picks up.

 

[UKBengali]

Sadly, it seems that some of them will never learn. They will always have this delusional mentality of "We are better than you". It's no surprise to me that Pakistan has done better since 1971 (or 1975). We are indeed better off.

And more importantly, this is what GDP per capita, PPP looks like:

View attachment 332598

https://www.google.com/publicdata/e...0&tend=1410159600000&hl=en_US&dl=en&ind=false

GDP PPP is subjective measurement. It is prone
to be re-evaluated due to change in economic
structure, government policies etc.

Try GDP/capita in US dollars and BD may be ahead now
due to the fact that Pakistan could have more than
200 million population currently.

And please let us ignore the delusional Indian
who keeps going on about "consumption" of India
being twice as high as BD when the average Indian lives
3 years less.