Pakistan Air Force will have to operate from Afghanistan to escape S-400: Senior Indian MoD official

[Genghis khan1]

Worst case scenario:
1. For that S-400 has to be deployed very close to Pakistani border, in which case even a land based artillery system can easily take out S-400.

2. Despite being deployed close to Pakistani border, Parts of Balochistan next to Iranian border will still be out of range.
3. Air bases in North Area and other mountains or Hilly terrain in other parts of the country will provide natural cover against Radar detection or to evade incoming missile lock.

Offensive Scenario:

4. S-400 max stated interception speed is Mach 11, while practically demonstrated speed is Mach 8. Even if deployed deep inside Indian territory to guard major city, Pakistan can still neutralized S-400 either using their IRBM with terminal speed ranging from Mach 15+ to Mach 19+.

5. Pakistan can also use over saturation of Air defences method used by USAF to neutralized S-400 as discussed in one of my thread before.
S-400 Triumf SAM Killer.

 

[WaLeEdK2]

I'm not so knowledgable but Pakistan posseses the MAR-1 ARM. It is designed to suppress enemy air defenses by targeting surveillance radars and fire-control radars. I think everyone forgot about this weapon.

 

[cerberus]

4. S-400 max stated interception speed is Mach 11, while practically demonstrated speed is Mach 8. Even if deployed deep inside Indian territory to guard major city, Pakistan can still neutralized S-400 either using their IRBM with terminal speed ranging from Mach 15+ to Mach 19+.

@MilSpec This is Amateur Stuff.Can't Believe the Status of PDF Dropped this Much

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

With white figures on white horses on their side?

If you are THIS delusional, then no telling what else you believe.

Keep it civil, dont bring in your weird religio - terrorism dark hints.

His insinuation of Pakistan being able to influence Indian citizens to assist Pakistan in waging war against India is rather ironic considering India has more success in this.

In 1965 with operation Gibralter Pakistan wished to spark a rebellion in Kashmir and assist Pak forces in taking Kashmir. But rather these clandestine special forces operatives were rounded up and captured by average Kashmiri civilians, not even Kashmir police forces.

In 1966, they comparatively better success in NE, but nothing decisive.

Let's Look at India's track record in influencing Pakistani citizens to wage war against Pakistan

In 1971, the East Pakistani civilians not only waged war against Pakistan but also significantly assisted Indian forces in delivering a humiliating decisive victory in a span of 16 days.

Coming to present, regarding Pakistani war in Waziristan against TTP. As Pakistan's own narrative and accusations, India is supporting TTP against Pakistan.
Assuming this narrative is true, by Pakistan's own admission India has succeeded in influencing radicalized Pakistani citizens to wage war against the Pakistani army and cause a death toll of over 60,000.
It's important to note here, not single of the TTP terrorists of leaders are Indian or Afghan citizens, but Pakistan citizens themselves

So to conclude, if it's a comparison of capabilities of Pakistan or India to influence the citizens of its enemy to wage war against their own state, India seems to have been more success whether in the past or present.

 

[Genghis khan1]

@MilSpec This is Amateur Stuff.Can't Believe the Status of PDF Dropped this Much

Sweetheart, it's the real deal. How about do some research about it.

 

[Areesh]

His insinuation of Pakistan being able to influence Indian citizens to assist Pakistan in waging war against India is rather ironic considering India has more success in this.

In 1965 with operation Gibralter Pakistan wished to spark a rebellion in Kashmir and assist Pak forces in taking Kashmir. But rather these clandestine special forces operatives were rounded up and captured by average Kashmiri civilians, not even Kashmir police forces.

In 1966, they slightly better success in NE, but nothing decisive.

Let's Look at India's track record in influencing Pakistani citizens to wage war against Pakistan

In 1971, the East Pakistani civilians not only waged war against Pakistan but also significantly assisted Indian forces in delivering a humiliating decisive victory in a span of 16 days.

Coming to present, regarding Pakistani war in Waziristan against TTP. As Pakistan's own narrative and accusations, India is supporting TTP against Pakistan.
Assuming this narrative is true, by Pakistan's own admission India has succeeded in influencing radicalized Pakistani citizens to wage war against the Pakistani army and cause a death toll of over 60,000.
It's important to note here, not single of the TTP terrorists of leaders are Indian or Afghan citizens, but Pakistan citizens themselves

So to conclude, if it's a comparison of capabilities of Pakistan or India to influence the citizens of its enemy to wage war against their own state, India seems to have been more success whether in the past or present.

Talking about past you conveniently ignored Pakistan's alleged interference and resulting deaths in Kashmir and Punjab in your post about the past. Well whatever floats your boat.

 

[WaLeEdK2]

Worst case scenario:
1. For that S-400 has to be deployed very close to Pakistani border, in which case even a land based artillery system can easily take out S-400.

2. Despite being deployed close to Pakistani border, Parts of Balochistan next to Iranian border will still be out of range.
3. Air bases in North Area and other mountains or Hilly terrain in other parts of the country will provide natural cover against Radar detection or to evade incoming missile lock.

Offensive Scenario:

4. S-400 max stated interception speed is Mach 11, while practically demonstrated speed is Mach 8. Even if deployed deep inside Indian territory to guard major city, Pakistan can still neutralized S-400 either using their IRBM with terminal speed ranging from Mach 15+ to Mach 19+.

5. Pakistan can also use over saturation of Air defences method used by USAF to neutralized S-400 as discussed in one of my thread before.
S-400 Triumf SAM Killer.

If we can obtain MIRV tech. that would drastically improve our capabilities. Hopefully the next missile test will include it. There is no need to expand the range of our missiles. It would bring upon sanctions which we cannot afford at this crucial time for our economy.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

You conveniently ignored Pakistan's alleged interference and resulting deaths in Kashmir and Punjab in your post about the past. Well whatever floats your boat.

I have covered that as part in this statement

In 1966, they slightly better success in NE, but nothing decisive.

Decisive meaning it did not have permanent consequences, just like Mizo insurgency Punjab insurgency died down and Punjab remain one of the most prosperous states in India.

If its case supporting insurgencies without permanent consequences, I would have included Balochistan as well.

 

[cerberus]

Did you forgot ALCM and GLCM Of Pakistan ?

Did you Forget the Tier-2 defense of Indian Missile Defense Systems
TRISHUL: Barak-8 LR-SAM/MR-SAM For Indian Navy & Indian Air Force

 

[randomradio]

Worst case scenario:
1. For that S-400 has to be deployed very close to Pakistani border, in which case even a land based artillery system can easily take out S-400.

We plan to deploy the Iron Dome.

2. Despite being deployed close to Pakistani border, Parts of Balochistan next to Iranian border will still be out of range.

Yes, you can keep your air force there, out of the main warzones.

Offensive Scenario:

4. S-400 max stated interception speed is Mach 11, while practically demonstrated speed is Mach 8. Even if deployed deep inside Indian territory to guard major city, Pakistan can still neutralized S-400 either using their IRBM with terminal speed ranging from Mach 15+ to Mach 19+.

If you fire the Shaheen 2 missile at a S-400 battalion in Udampur from Sargodha, then the missile will overshoot and hit China.

 

[Areesh]

I have covered that as part in this statement



Decisive meaning it did not have permanent consequences, just like Mizo insurgency Punjab insurgency died down and Punjab remain one of the most prosperous states in India.

If its case supporting insurgencies without permanent consequences, I would have included Balochistan as well.

Other than 1971 there is nothing decisive success for you.

Going by your logic you shouldn't have mentioned TTP as well. But you did. While conveniently ignoring Kashmir insurgency of 80's and 90's till today and Punjab insurgency of 80's.

As said before. Whatever floats your boat.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Who said Indian ABMs will only Intercept Shaheen 2 only in the terminal phase.

With 2000km range, once launched larger part of its midcourse phase will be in Indian airspace, vulnerable to high altitude Indian ABM system PAD.

 

[HAIDER]

These air defense systems has very low success rate, but very expensive to operate. Because India and Pakistan has very less distance for any projectile to travel. System will alert by the time warhead few seconds away from designated target. .

 

[Areesh]

We plan to deploy the Iron Dome.

Iron dome to counter artillery barrage?

Looks like a plan to bankrupt India that to threaten Pakistan.

 

[cerberus]

Sweetheart, it's the real deal. How about do some research about it.

Did you Know Terminal Speed of Agni-5 is Mach 24 So By Your Logic No Defense System on Earth can Protect you From It.
PS: Please Don't Try to Be An Expert in Area Where you Don't have Clue on the Subject the Minute I go Technical you will Start Flame Baits