Pakistan Air Force will have to operate from Afghanistan to escape S-400: Senior Indian MoD official

[randomradio]

Any time period in mind ?

Again time line do you have any idea ?

Contract signature to delivery date is 1 year. And the S-400s are being purchased on priority basis. So whenever the contract is signed, you can expect delivery to happen soon after.

One of the first contracts for Indian production has already been signed.
India's Reliance Defence signs $6bn deal with Russian arms firm as Modi visits Moscow - World - DAWN.COM

 

[Trichy]

Ok S400 is a good system but let's not get carried away

Pakistan can drop SSG unit behind lines to kill this system or when JF17 block III is out it can use anti radiation missiles H2/4 bombs to take down the system

ok but how ur SSG fly near to S400? or the try to walk 100-150km from the border after driving? jf17 B3 is nt 7th gen fighter to evade it, H2/H4 is dont have the range of 150+km.. so try some other options

Also Turkey has gathered lots of info on EW on S400 no big deal

lol, turkey got that, wat u got?

S400 just means PAF will have to operate differently it won't change the balance of power

thats what we need to think always till the war starts... all happy now..

 

[kasper95]

We can hit them via Kashmir ...if needed be !

you quoted someone who sounded as if he has lost all the hope on his armed forces winning and hoping against hope the Indian Muslims will fight for his country. and you are telling him you can hit via Kashmir.

 

[Bratva]

ok but how ur SSG fly near to S400? or the try to walk 100-150km from the border after driving? jf17 B3 is nt 7th gen fighter to evade it, H2/H4 is dont have the range of 150+km.. so try some other options


lol, turkey got that, wat u got?



thats what we need to think always till the war starts... all happy now..

Did you forgot ALCM and GLCM Of Pakistan ?

 

[Osiris]

Did you forgot ALCM and GLCM Of Pakistan ?

Your ALCMs and Surface launched CMs are precision weapons and not anti radiation missiles. They need to know the exact real time co-ordinates of S-400 components. and then defeat the S-400 missile battery with a saturation attack.

Because S400 has very significant anti cruise missile capabilities and limited anti ballistic missile capabilities.

 

[kasper95]

Did you forgot ALCM and GLCM Of Pakistan ?

it is supposed to target CM.

 

[volatile]

But soon after this there were news of Russian linking it to PakFa deal ,also since local private partner is incorporated Is this going to be made in India ones and like flankers do they are customize ?

Contract signature to delivery date is 1 year. And the S-400s are being purchased on priority basis. So whenever the contract is signed, you can expect delivery to happen soon after.

One of the first contracts for Indian production has already been signed.

 

[Bratva]

it is supposed to target CM.

has it demonstrated the capability to attack a cruise missile flying 10-30 meters above ground ?

Your ALCMs and Surface launched CMs are precision weapons and not anti radiation missiles. They need to know the exact real time co-ordinates of S-400 components. and then defeat the S-400 missile battery with a saturation attack.

Because S400 has very significant anti cruise missile capabilities and limited anti ballistic missile capabilities.

S-400 is a gold mine for SIGINT systems. What do you think if it can detect at such a long range SIGINT and ELINT assets of Pakistan would not be able to calculate and triangulate its position quickly ?

 

[randomradio]

Also Turkey has gathered lots of info on EW on S400 no big deal

All they can tell you is how good the S-400 is.

It's even got the Israelis sit up and take notice.
Top IDF officer: In our nightmares, we never saw Russia's S-400 in Syria | The Times of Israel

For the Russians, just the S-400 and a bunch of Su-30SMs and Su-35s has given them enough deterrence against an air force (Turkish) superior to the PAF. And the Turks know exactly how dangerous the SAM is.

 

[DavidSling]

There's a way to counter every system.
The question is, does Pakistan posses such capabilities and the technical expertise that is required in order to develop such countermeasures

 

[Osiris]

has it demonstrated the capability to attack a cruise missile flying 10-30 meters above ground ?



S-400 is a gold mine for SIGINT systems. What do you think if it can detect at such a long range SIGINT and ELINT assets of Pakistan would not be able to calculate and triangulate its position quickly ?

Triangulate to with in few meters with SIGNIT equipment. Not a chance. Even a GPS satellite fix with 4 satellites is only accurate to 27 meters.

For that too, you will isolate the exact frequencies on which S-400 radars are working on.
Where will you get those frequencies from?

Fixed ground based radar installations are working on a much higher power than S400 mobile radar. One would think they would make such an easy targets, alas thats not the case.

 

[Areesh]

Ignore him.He is just a little kid.

Oh we have an uncle here. An uncle who believes in moronic claims of some anonymous MOD official.

Poor you, that explains a lot!

Yup. Can't digest the bullsh!t stories of communal brotherhood that these guys try to spread here.

 

[Paksanity]

There's a way to counter every system.
The question is, does Pakistan posses such capabilities and the technical expertise that is required in order to develop such countermeasures

May be or may be not. If defence establishment gets convinced that S-400 will appear in our region, they will surely start working on it. As of now it's just a little more than fanboy's rumour. Indian defence deals take long time and there is no need for knee jerk reaction. We will be watching closely though.

 

[randomradio]

But soon after this there were news of Russian linking it to PakFa deal ,also since local private partner is incorporated Is this going to be made in India ones and like flankers do they are customize ?

The Russians use whatever means necessary as negotiations tactics. Have you ever seen Russia not sell something to India? The Russians will sell the S-400 regardless of the FGFA deal signature. The Reliance-Almaz deal is testament to that fact.

We don't know the size of the S-400 deal in the future. All we know is we are buying 5 systems for now and they will all be located around Delhi. If more S-400s are purchased, then indigenous production is possible.

We don't know if the SAM will be customized. There are rumours that 2 new missiles meant for the S-500 will be part of the S-400's arsenal. There are also rumours that the Indian S-400 will also be connected to the Sword Fish radar and the next generation Sword Fish. That way the Indian BMD and S-400 can be integrated. It can then be integrated with Barak and SPYDER also. All we know for sure is an Indian company will build 6000 missiles, most likely Reliance.

has it demonstrated the capability to attack a cruise missile flying 10-30 meters above ground ?

The S-400 has two types of missiles that can bring down aircraft and cruise missiles. One has a 40+Km range, the other has a 120+Km range.

 

[Bratva]

There's a way to counter every system.
The question is, does Pakistan posses such capabilities and the technical expertise that is required in order to develop such countermeasures

We can simulate S-400 Behaviour in our

Havelsan exports 1st electronic warfare test & training range to Pakistan | TR Defence

Triangulate to with in few meters with SIGNIT equipment. Not a chance. Even a GPS satellite fix with 4 satellites is only accurate to 27 meters.

For that too, you will isolate the exact frequencies on which S-400 radars are working on.
Where will you get those frequencies from?

Fixed ground based radar installations are working on a much higher power than S400 mobile radar. One would think they would make such an easy targets, alas thats not the case.

Chinese Beidou cum SIGINT assets of ours can give us a fairly accurate idea of the location of S-400. Remember S-400 would be operating continuously which increases its chances of being detected and making saturated attacks against it possible