If you were here a decade ago it was not much different. We had more info on the web then AFM published. Now with China opening up we see that we are more up to date then AFM. Last edition showed j10B but AFM is that uninformed that they do not see that it is the PS one... Does it matter? The AFM published pics of tornado's, Harriers, F16 so often that something else is always better. The worse thing about AFM is that they puiblish western propaganda. Tamil Tigers are never marked as terrorists yet Sadam or other mulsims are usually bashed. If people protest then it is the writer and the opinion is fine... The objectivity and pure information is gone after Irac...
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If you were here a decade ago it was not much different. We had more info on the web then AFM published. Now with China opening up we see that we are more up to date then AFM. Last edition showed j10B but AFM is that uninformed that they do not see that it is the PS one... Does it matter? The AFM published pics of tornado's, Harriers, F16 so often that something else is always better. The worse thing about AFM is that they puiblish western propaganda. Tamil Tigers are never marked as terrorists yet Sadam or other mulsims are usually bashed. If people protest then it is the writer and the opinion is fine... The objectivity and pure information is gone after Irac...
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These are commercial establishments and quite renowned especially janes. They normally do have access to high-up officials, correspondents, etc and one would probably guess they could confirm information even if details are mentioned as speculated.
Not saying that this is not true, but to have a whole news based on internet forums seems like un-professional..well atleast to me.
Everybody knows that it is cheaper to have less journalists so if you can copy paste news items then you can lower your costs. These kind of logics seems to be reason behind journalism that runs behinds government propaganda. It happened with Irac where newspapers copied what US propaganda said. It happened even more controlled when the inbedded journalists onl wrote that what was allowed. Now, do you think that Janes or AFM do the old fashioned way? Just check those that write the articles... Some of them I know. And it is long time ago that they reall posted somethind worth to read. A few years back they wanted a few topics about AAM's. How come after the first article no follow up was printed...? Now they want something about F16 fight... Well, I read nothing valuable in the whole article.
The problem is that newspapers are instruments for others. If that means that we have to believe that the F16 seat is more angled so better is fine... If you know that the reason is that you need less frontal space and that means less power being wasted then you do understand that Chuck Yeager was telling the only truth...
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then why do you keep purchasing AFM?
IMHO it is the most updated airforce magazine available anywhere and if you have some extra cash buy the airforce intelligence website. it will open your eyes to the vast information data available there!
finally you dont have to believe everything they print! they make errors just like everyone else!
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sounds like sour grapes if you ask me! dont spend your hard-earned Euros on it - simple!
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they do! and print information only after verifying the news/information! they may not be 100% accurate but my experience shows that they are 85-90% correct and a lot of people around the world buy their products! they must be doing something right!
Well, There is always someone that likes the ugly car... About euro's. I have probably enough so I can spend even on this...
If a mag has almost zero technical info then I see it as page three but then about fighterjets...
If a mag has almost zero technical info then I see it as page three but then about fighterjets...
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June issue of AFM has the following article;
HIMALAYAN SHOWDOWN
May 2009 marks the tenth anniversary of the Kargil Conflict when Pakistan and India came very close to all-out war. Air Cdre (Ret’d) M Kaiser Tufail shares his amazing personal insights on the role of the Pakistan Air Force during the battles that raged over the mountains
HIMALAYAN SHOWDOWN
May 2009 marks the tenth anniversary of the Kargil Conflict when Pakistan and India came very close to all-out war. Air Cdre (Ret’d) M Kaiser Tufail shares his amazing personal insights on the role of the Pakistan Air Force during the battles that raged over the mountains
Alan Warnes' book on Pakistan Airforce 1998-2008 will be available for sale from June 01, 2009. To place on line orders, you can go to the following link:
Key Publishing Limited Books
Key Publishing Limited Books
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AFM News - June Issue
Pakistan Air Force Saab 2000The relatively new Saab 2000, aircraft J019, ex SE-019, F-GMVB has been handed over to the PAF on September, 26 in Sweden before leaving on delivery on September 29. It is now based at Chaklala, undertaking training of aircrew for the first Saab 2000 Erieye, which is due for delivery to the PAF later this year.
Pakistan AF Phenom DeliveryPhenom 100 PT-ZYE (c/n 50000017) the first for the PAF has now completed its delivery flight to Pakistan and will become V-4101 for operation by 41 Squadron at Chaklala AB. the a/c was handed over on March 24 at the factory in Sao Jose dos Campos. Although fully painted in PAF markings at the factory, for its delivery flight, these were taped over. the a/c is one of four on order for VIP transport and general communications flights.
After leaving Brazil, its delivery flight included stops at Guyana, Netherlands Antilles on April 4, the following day the a/c flew via Turks and Caicos Islands, Fort Lauderdale, Florida, leaving on April 6 via Norfolk, Virginia and Bangor, Maine to Goosebay, Newfoundland. On April 7 it left for Greeland, then flew on to Reykjavik, Iceland and Wick, Scotland. the next day on April 9 the route continued via Geneva, Switzerland to Athens, Greece, then on to Sharm el-Sheik, Egypt on April 14 before the final leg to Pakistan.
Pakistan Air Force Saab 2000The relatively new Saab 2000, aircraft J019, ex SE-019, F-GMVB has been handed over to the PAF on September, 26 in Sweden before leaving on delivery on September 29. It is now based at Chaklala, undertaking training of aircrew for the first Saab 2000 Erieye, which is due for delivery to the PAF later this year.
Pakistan AF Phenom DeliveryPhenom 100 PT-ZYE (c/n 50000017) the first for the PAF has now completed its delivery flight to Pakistan and will become V-4101 for operation by 41 Squadron at Chaklala AB. the a/c was handed over on March 24 at the factory in Sao Jose dos Campos. Although fully painted in PAF markings at the factory, for its delivery flight, these were taped over. the a/c is one of four on order for VIP transport and general communications flights.
After leaving Brazil, its delivery flight included stops at Guyana, Netherlands Antilles on April 4, the following day the a/c flew via Turks and Caicos Islands, Fort Lauderdale, Florida, leaving on April 6 via Norfolk, Virginia and Bangor, Maine to Goosebay, Newfoundland. On April 7 it left for Greeland, then flew on to Reykjavik, Iceland and Wick, Scotland. the next day on April 9 the route continued via Geneva, Switzerland to Athens, Greece, then on to Sharm el-Sheik, Egypt on April 14 before the final leg to Pakistan.
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NEW DELHI, May 28 (RIA Novosti) - The first Russian-made A-50 Mainstay AWACS aircraft developed on the basis of Il-76MD military transport plane officially entered service on Thursday with the Indian Air Force (IAF).
India ordered three A-50EI variants fitted with Israeli-made Phalcon radar systems in 2001. The first aircraft was scheduled to arrive in 2007-08 but has been subject to delays.
"Today we became one of the few chosen countries to possess this kind of plane [AWACS]," IAF commander, Air Chief Marshal Fali Homi Major said at the commissioning ceremony.
According to some sources, the second of the A-50EI planes is expected to be in India by early 2010, with the third by the end of next year.
The aircraft will be deployed in Agra with the IAF's 50 Squadron under the Allahabad-based Central Air Command but will be assigned tasks directly by Air Headquarters.
In many aspects, the A-50 is comparable to the U.S. Air Force's E-3 Sentry. It is fitted with an aerial refueling system and electronic warfare equipment, and can detect targets up to 400 km (250 miles) away.
The existing Russian-Indian military-technical cooperation program until 2010 includes up to 200 projects worth about $18 billion.
However, bilateral military-technical ties have been overshadowed by recent spats over problems with delivery delays, supplies of spare parts, poor sales support, steep maintenance costs and technology transfer issues.
For instance, India dropped Russia from a $1-bln tender to supply six aerial tankers for the Indian Air Force due to poor after-sales maintenance services and is most likely to look for another manufacturer for future AWACS orders to satisfy its needs for early warning aircraft.
India has recently purchased eight Boeing P-81 long-range maritime reconnaissance (LRMR) aircraft from the United States, and signed a deal with Brazil to jointly integrate domestically developed AWACS systems into three Brazilian-made Embraer-145 aircraft to be later commissioned with the Indian Air Force.
First Russian AWACS plane put in service with Indian air force | Top Russian news and analysis online | 'RIA Novosti' newswire
India ordered three A-50EI variants fitted with Israeli-made Phalcon radar systems in 2001. The first aircraft was scheduled to arrive in 2007-08 but has been subject to delays.
"Today we became one of the few chosen countries to possess this kind of plane [AWACS]," IAF commander, Air Chief Marshal Fali Homi Major said at the commissioning ceremony.
According to some sources, the second of the A-50EI planes is expected to be in India by early 2010, with the third by the end of next year.
The aircraft will be deployed in Agra with the IAF's 50 Squadron under the Allahabad-based Central Air Command but will be assigned tasks directly by Air Headquarters.
In many aspects, the A-50 is comparable to the U.S. Air Force's E-3 Sentry. It is fitted with an aerial refueling system and electronic warfare equipment, and can detect targets up to 400 km (250 miles) away.
The existing Russian-Indian military-technical cooperation program until 2010 includes up to 200 projects worth about $18 billion.
However, bilateral military-technical ties have been overshadowed by recent spats over problems with delivery delays, supplies of spare parts, poor sales support, steep maintenance costs and technology transfer issues.
For instance, India dropped Russia from a $1-bln tender to supply six aerial tankers for the Indian Air Force due to poor after-sales maintenance services and is most likely to look for another manufacturer for future AWACS orders to satisfy its needs for early warning aircraft.
India has recently purchased eight Boeing P-81 long-range maritime reconnaissance (LRMR) aircraft from the United States, and signed a deal with Brazil to jointly integrate domestically developed AWACS systems into three Brazilian-made Embraer-145 aircraft to be later commissioned with the Indian Air Force.
First Russian AWACS plane put in service with Indian air force | Top Russian news and analysis online | 'RIA Novosti' newswire
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AFM News - July issue
Tusas Gains Pakistan AF F-16 Upgrade Contract
Turkish Defence company TAI signed a contract on June 29 in Rawalpindi, Pakistan, with PDPM to undertake the upgrade of 42 PAF F-16 fighters. Under the $75 million deal, TAI will begin work on the first a/c in October 2010 and all 42 fighters will be completed at its facilities within 46 months, at a rate of 1 aircraft per month.
In a effort to accellerate its F-16 upgrade programme, the PAF gained agreement from Washington last year for the transfer of FMF funding previous allocated for Pakistani AH-1F Cobras and P-3C Orion upgrades to finance PAF F-16 mid-life upgrade (MLU) work. TAI had been selected for the upgrade work in 2006 and a MoU to this effect was signed between TAI and the PAF in September of that year at the IDEAS Defence Exhibition in Karachi, Pakistan. TAI was then formally announced as the main contractor for the MLU in July 2008, following a final evaluation by Pakistani authorities.
Embraer has recently completed delivery of the second Phenom 100 to the PAF. the a/c PT-ZVB (c/n 50000014), routed from Goose Bay via Gander to Sandra Stromford on June 19, then on to Reykjavik, from where it flew to Wick, Scotland, on June 20 and left the next day for Geneva. The first PAF Phenom was delivered in March.
The PAF Air Chief Marshal Qamar Suleman confirmed on June 27 that full-scale series production of the JF-17 Thunder fighter was expected to start in Pakistan on June 30. He said the first locally assembled example should be flying in Pakistan by the end of the year.
US Army Supplying More Helicopters to Pakistan
US Special Envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan, Richard Holbrooke, announced on June 3 that the US is supplying four Russian-built Mi-17 Hip transport helicopters on lease to the Pakistan Army. They will be used to bolster the existing fleet in support of the fight against the taliban in the country's lawless northwest territories.
Although the Pakistan Army already operates around 30 Mi-17-IV Hip-Hs, ongoing fleet refurbishment has led to a shortfall in availability, which led Pakistan to request additional helicopters from the US. The type has proved ideal for the current counter-insurgency operations in the Swat Valley.
The four Mi-17s are being provided from the inventory of the US Army, which has a small number operating with A Company / 3-210th Aviation at Biggs Army Air Field, Texas. At the time of the announcement, two were already at Ramstein AB, Germany, awaiting shipment, while the other two were in Slovakia. They were then air-freighted to Pakistan on an AN-124 Ruslan transport aircraft, with all four arriving at Chaklala AB, Pakistan on June 10.
A possible additional five Bell 412EP helicopters may also be supplied to the Pakistan Army. The Pentagon is known to be persuing various options to provide Pakistan with additional helicopters. With the 412EP already in Pakistan Army service, provision of additional examples would make sense.
now we know why there have been no additional deliveries of the P-3C Orions to the PN. only 2 a/c out of 8 have so far been delivered.
Tusas Gains Pakistan AF F-16 Upgrade Contract
Turkish Defence company TAI signed a contract on June 29 in Rawalpindi, Pakistan, with PDPM to undertake the upgrade of 42 PAF F-16 fighters. Under the $75 million deal, TAI will begin work on the first a/c in October 2010 and all 42 fighters will be completed at its facilities within 46 months, at a rate of 1 aircraft per month.
In a effort to accellerate its F-16 upgrade programme, the PAF gained agreement from Washington last year for the transfer of FMF funding previous allocated for Pakistani AH-1F Cobras and P-3C Orion upgrades to finance PAF F-16 mid-life upgrade (MLU) work. TAI had been selected for the upgrade work in 2006 and a MoU to this effect was signed between TAI and the PAF in September of that year at the IDEAS Defence Exhibition in Karachi, Pakistan. TAI was then formally announced as the main contractor for the MLU in July 2008, following a final evaluation by Pakistani authorities.
Embraer has recently completed delivery of the second Phenom 100 to the PAF. the a/c PT-ZVB (c/n 50000014), routed from Goose Bay via Gander to Sandra Stromford on June 19, then on to Reykjavik, from where it flew to Wick, Scotland, on June 20 and left the next day for Geneva. The first PAF Phenom was delivered in March.
The PAF Air Chief Marshal Qamar Suleman confirmed on June 27 that full-scale series production of the JF-17 Thunder fighter was expected to start in Pakistan on June 30. He said the first locally assembled example should be flying in Pakistan by the end of the year.
US Army Supplying More Helicopters to Pakistan
US Special Envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan, Richard Holbrooke, announced on June 3 that the US is supplying four Russian-built Mi-17 Hip transport helicopters on lease to the Pakistan Army. They will be used to bolster the existing fleet in support of the fight against the taliban in the country's lawless northwest territories.
Although the Pakistan Army already operates around 30 Mi-17-IV Hip-Hs, ongoing fleet refurbishment has led to a shortfall in availability, which led Pakistan to request additional helicopters from the US. The type has proved ideal for the current counter-insurgency operations in the Swat Valley.
The four Mi-17s are being provided from the inventory of the US Army, which has a small number operating with A Company / 3-210th Aviation at Biggs Army Air Field, Texas. At the time of the announcement, two were already at Ramstein AB, Germany, awaiting shipment, while the other two were in Slovakia. They were then air-freighted to Pakistan on an AN-124 Ruslan transport aircraft, with all four arriving at Chaklala AB, Pakistan on June 10.
A possible additional five Bell 412EP helicopters may also be supplied to the Pakistan Army. The Pentagon is known to be persuing various options to provide Pakistan with additional helicopters. With the 412EP already in Pakistan Army service, provision of additional examples would make sense.
now we know why there have been no additional deliveries of the P-3C Orions to the PN. only 2 a/c out of 8 have so far been delivered.
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