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[Armchair]

Not really. Pakistan or PAF is not going to completely lose its fighters in a short war. The re-equipment phase after the war is where the Chinese help would be needed, and that can come in the shape of additional JF-17s produced in China. No need for the J-10, esp since even if we got a new type tomorrow, it would take almost 2 years to have it integrated into the PAF.
The only answer is more JF-17s and F-16s in the short to medium term. Long-term we are already focused on AZM

There was a crisis during the 1990s or early 2000s. I still remember it. Pak was having a very belligerent India wanting to attack it. The Chinese quickly sent F-7s to quickly build up numbers. Hostilities never started, but that help came in handy. Today this is not possible because there is no shared platform.

 

[GriffinsRule]

There was a crisis during the 1990s or early 2000s. I still remember it. Pak was having a very belligerent India wanting to attack it. The Chinese quickly sent F-7s to quickly build up numbers. Hostilities never started, but that help came in handy. Today this is not possible because there is no shared platform.

Good thing that PAF now is much stronger than it was in the 90s. As for the shared platform, they can still send us F-7PGs ... or perhaps PLAAF will buy JF-17s too. I like that idea even better.

 

[PanzerKiel]

There was a crisis during the 1990s or early 2000s. I still remember it. Pak was having a very belligerent India wanting to attack it. The Chinese quickly sent F-7s to quickly build up numbers. Hostilities never started, but that help came in handy. Today this is not possible because there is no shared platform.

.... And then, once upon a time , Chinese told us that just bring in your pilots and fly as much aircraft.... of a specific type.... as you want....

 

[Armchair]

.... And then, once upon a time , Chinese told us that just bring in your pilots and fly as much aircraft.... of a specific type.... as you want....

Interesting... F-7s I guess. Must have saved pilot hours during the Pressler years.

 

[PanzerKiel]

Interesting... F-7s I guess. Must have saved pilot hours during the Pressler years.

A bit before Pressler.

 

[Blacklight]

.... And then, once upon a time , Chinese told us that just bring in your pilots and fly as much aircraft.... of a specific type.... as you want....

This policy and more is still valid today.

 

[Tipu7]

This policy and more is still valid today.

Infact deepened further...

 

[araz]

What I meant was that in an emergency, China could divert some of its stock of J-10s to Pak. During a war, this can be a real boost.

Firstly arecyou sure the Chinese were willing to sell at least the J10Cs to PAF?
Secondly are you sure that the AL31FN has been Cleared for export to PAF?
Lastly why do you think PAF remains reluctant to purchase J10 with WS10 till recently?
Your answers are there in front of you and yet you ask the question. You know that in aviation world a new product fulfills local needs before being exported. You also know that AL31FN has not only not been cleared for export toPAF. Our pilots witnessed massive flameouts of the engine which deterred them. There are issues with spares supply as well. Lastly I still think WS10 needs to mature before PAF will put its money on the line.
I still think all these stories of j this or that are more fiction than truth. I think they are being spread for specific purposes and the target is what we already have for ease of induction and available expertise to fly the platform.
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[Yasser76]

There was a crisis during the 1990s or early 2000s. I still remember it. Pak was having a very belligerent India wanting to attack it. The Chinese quickly sent F-7s to quickly build up numbers. Hostilities never started, but that help came in handy. Today this is not possible because there is no shared platform.

This is a good point a common type would of helped greatly as Pakistani industry and forces would have the massive backing of Chinese industry, but as you point out, extra numbers in time of need, similar to how Israeli pilots were flying freshly delivered USAF Phantoms in USAF colours that were rushed over during the 1973 War.

China is unable to do this in Pakistan and in an ideal world if PAF was flying 200 JF-17s and China flying 600 JF-17s this would have been a perfect situation. Unfortunately never happened for many reasons, 10-20 years ago Chinese aviation was nowhere near where it is now, even when we got F-7s we needed to put in new navigation gear, radar, communications and ejection seats. Even 36 J-10Cs right now would be a good as PAF could build up a ecosystem of pilots, infrastructure and weapons so that in war we could simply double numbers. I think it is too late for this now as PAF has thrown in it's lot with JF-17 Block III and AZM. These two projects alone will scoop up all the funds we have.

In an ideal world it could be that AZM is essentially a J-31 this will solve many problems, especially if the tweaks PAF make to it are relatively minor so that Chinese J-31s could easily integrate into our own forces

 

[Thorough Pro]

Don't be ludicrous.

All those ISI briefings were held to introduce the ISI pigeon agents to the PM?

You think he was discussing the colour and trim of the new fighters for which there is neither any willing supplier nor any money.

The meeting was strictly about the border situation and PAF's readiness and potential intensity of response this time. PM said he has given them ample opportunities to come to the table for peace talks, now they need to be taken to the cleaners

So Air Cheif was explaining tactics to PM at PM house both must have a lot of free time.

 

[MastanKhan]

There was a crisis during the 1990s or early 2000s. I still remember it. Pak was having a very belligerent India wanting to attack it. The Chinese quickly sent F-7s to quickly build up numbers. Hostilities never started, but that help came in handy. Today this is not possible because there is no shared platform.

HI,

What you are not telling the readers is that modern fighter aircraft are a different breed---.

If china gave us the J20 on the day of war or if the US gave us the F22---we would not be able to do diddley with them---because it takes years to get familiar with modern 21st century aircrafts---.

 

[Armchair]

HI,

What you are not telling the readers is that modern fighter aircraft are a different breed---.

If china gave us the J20 on the day of war or if the US gave us the F22---we would not be able to do diddley with them---because it takes years to get familiar with modern 21st century aircrafts---.

I kind of implied the same when I suggested that if the PAF operated the J-10, they could quickly be sent aircraft to increase numbers. Even with a J-7, there is a learning curve, if you are moving up from a Sabre. There would also be a learning curve in moving from a JF-17 to a J-10, as their aerodynamics are very different. Not knowing how the cockpit differs, but there is always a difference there as well.

Fighter pilots have to not only be simply familiar, but have to exercise that innumerable times, until it becomes a reflex. This takes time as well.

 

[Shabi1]

There was a crisis during the 1990s or early 2000s. I still remember it. Pak was having a very belligerent India wanting to attack it. The Chinese quickly sent F-7s to quickly build up numbers. Hostilities never started, but that help came in handy. Today this is not possible because there is no shared platform.

But the munitions are shared and smart munitions/SOW have gained more importance now. China can still send rush deliveries of ammunition and missiles.

Also in recent exercises with PAF, one of the goals was interoperability so perhaps there is still some mechanism of pilots having know how in case they have to fly PLAAF platforms in emergency.

However this is a topic that no one with the right knowledge will divulge and we will only find out in time of war.

 

[Imran Khan]

There was a crisis during the 1990s or early 2000s. I still remember it. Pak was having a very belligerent India wanting to attack it. The Chinese quickly sent F-7s to quickly build up numbers. Hostilities never started, but that help came in handy. Today this is not possible because there is no shared platform.

Tiday its more then f7 today china can made for us dozens of thunders and weapons sir

 

[Armchair]

Tiday its more then f7 today china can made for us dozens of thunders and weapons sir

If they make the jets, it will take time to manufacture them, and then test them. This is a considerable amount of time. With J-10 or another platform that is common to both forces, they can simply send from their stocks. Which, as @MastanKhan pointed out, is not possible because PAF will need time to operationalize a new platform.