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Curious why isnt PAF inclined on making a new aircraft after JF-17, a medium and stealthy aircraft.

Hon Sir, Why do you think it is so?

Fact being that without the help from China, JF-17 would not be there? Most of the development work on FC-1 (Chinese designation) was done by Chengdu Aircraft Industries. Understand that Mikoyan design bureau also helped out a little. Costs were however shared equally by Pakistan & China.

Design of any aircraft ‘ab initio’ is a very lengthy & expensive process and unless Chinese or some other country with strong aviation base helps out, no new fighter aircraft would be designed or produced at the Kamra Complex.
 
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I have heard that PAF from some one (Not a reliable source) that PAF is working on some thing big behind closed doors and lip tight silence ,New Generation aircraft which exceeds F16 and are match for 5th Gen .Reason for tight lip is many countries will ask for exports and it draws unwanted attentions . I know this is mere speculation but wanted to ask if such projects /Skunk work exists in PAF ?
 
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Hon Sir, Why do you think it is so?

Fact being that without the help from China, JF-17 would not be there? Most of the development work on FC-1 (Chinese designation) was done by Chengdu Aircraft Industries. Understand that Mikoyan design bureau also helped out a little. Costs were however shared equally by Pakistan & China.

Design of any aircraft ‘ab initio’ is a very lengthy & expensive process and unless Chinese or some other country with strong aviation base helps out, no new fighter aircraft would be designed or produced at the Kamra Complex.

No shame in taking assistance of any level, be it China or France etc. Light aircraft is being produced, attention should be diverted now towards medium and stealth. is there any news of any such project in pipeline ?
 
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I have heard that PAF from some one (Not a reliable source) that PAF is working on some thing big behind closed doors and lip tight silence ,New Generation aircraft which exceeds F16 and are match for 5th Gen .Reason for tight lip is many countries will ask for exports and it draws unwanted attentions . I know this is mere speculation but wanted to ask if such projects /Skunk work exists in PAF ?
I also use to do something big behind closed door but when i was about to achieve that big thing i got Discharge... :D
 
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I also use to do something big behind closed door but when i was about to achieve that big thing i got Discharge... :D
Be serious dude after all source was right about few things related to Russia (Mi helicopter and overhauling facility) on the fun part behind door to ami abba hey pukertye hein
 
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I have heard that PAF from some one (Not a reliable source) that PAF is working on some thing big behind closed doors and lip tight silence ,New Generation aircraft which exceeds F16 and are match for 5th Gen .Reason for tight lip is many countries will ask for exports and it draws unwanted attentions . I know this is mere speculation but wanted to ask if such projects /Skunk work exists in PAF ?
My friend if such project exist then source cannot be unreliable..and if the source is reliable then he will not say a word about it...its just a speculation..yes PAF has shown their intention to build next generation jet but will take some years for things to really show up...
 
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My friend if such project exist then source cannot be unreliable..and if the source is reliable then he will not say a word about it...its just a speculation..yes PAF has shown their intention to build next generation jet but will take some years for things to really show up...
All air force/countries have Skunk projects so sit tight and see what comes out ,I have mentioned earlier it could me nothing but source was 50% right in some of its last predictions
 
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Israel air force to participate in US drill alongside Pakistani, UAE Jets


03-Aug-16


NEW YORK:
The Israel Air Force is set to take part in a large-scale aerial exercise in the United States later this month. According to foreign media reports, teams from the Pakistani and United Arab Emirates air forces will also be taking part in the Red Flag air-to-air combat exercise in Nevada.

http://dailytimes.com.pk/pakistan/0...pate-in-us-drill-alongside-pakistani-uae-jets
 
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Memorable photo of “The Royal Air Force” that taken in 1940’s.

Four Future Air Force Chiefs in the Royal Air Forces of Pakistan and India. Seen in this picture are Air Chief Marshal Mehra Indian CAS from 1973 to 1976, Air Marshal Asghar Khan, Air Marshal Nur Khan and Air Marshal Zafar Chaudhry.

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Pakistan, UAE in US Air Force drillIAF pilots will take part in Red Flag exercise later this month in the Nevada desert to hone skills and make connections

By JUDAH ARI GROSS
August 3, 2016, 2:45 pm 13

Two Israel Air Force F-16 fighter jets. (Tsahi Ben-Ami/Flash90)

Israeli aircraft will fly alongside Pakistani and United Arab Emirates planes in the United States Air Force’s Red Flag exercise in the Nevada desert later this month.

Red Flag is considered the US military’s “premier air-to-air combat training exercise,” in which participating countries are divided into two teams and simulate dog fights to improve both their aviation skills and their military’s international connections, according to the US Air Force.

Last year, Israeli pilots took part in the Red Flag exercise for the first time in six years. During the aerial simulation, Israeli Air Force planes flew with — and reportedly refueled — Jordanian fighter jets.

In 2016, there will be four Red Flag exercises at the Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada. The first ran from January to February, the second from February to March and the third in July, while the final exercise will be conducted August 15-26, according to the US Air Force.

Illustrative photo of two F-16 Royal Jordanian Air Force jets (photo credit: CC BY-SA 3.0, by Caycee Cook, US Air Force, Wikimedia Commons)

Israel will take part in the August exercise, sending both fighter jets and cargo planes to Nellis Air Force Base, an IDF spokesperson said.

Those planes will apparently be joined by two Muslim countries, according to the US Air Force.

“For the second and fourth Red Flag, we will be including foreign players which include the United Kingdom, Australia, Turkey, Italy, Pakistan, United Arab Emirates, and Spain,” Col. Jeffrey Weed, a Combat Training Squadron commander in the US Air Force,announced after the 2015 Red Flag exercise.

The Aviationist, a website dedicated to aviation news and analysis, reported that Pakistani F16 fighter jets were seen en route to the Nevada desert, refueling at the US Air Force Lajes Field base in the Azores, Portugal.

The Israeli military would not officially comment on the presence of Pakistani and United Arab Emirates pilots at the Red Flag exercise, other than to say that the drill was being run by the Americans and Israel sees itself as a “guest” of the country.

However, earlier this year a senior IAF official stressed that, in addition to their benefits for training, international military exercises can be seen as a form of “roundabout” diplomatic strategy.

“Flying outside of Israel is very different from flying out of Ramat David,” the official told The Times of Israel, referring to an air base in northern Israel.

“You don’t know the area, you’re speaking in a different language. It lets you put a mirror up to yourself, and you learn a lot from that,” he said.

And there are other benefits to training with foreign armies, he added.

Israeli and foreign fighter jets fly in formation over the Negev Desert during the ‘Blue Flag’ exercise at Ovda Airfield near Eilat on October 21, 2015. (Israeli Air Force)

“[International exercises] are not just military, but strategic in nature,” the officer said. “And the strategic benefits are not always direct; they can also be roundabout.”

While they are not considered “enemy nations,” Israel does not have formal ties with Pakistan and the United Arab Emirates.

Though Pakistan has indicated it would be prepared to formalize its relationship with the Jewish state once there is a peace agreement with the Palestinians, ties between the two countries are often complicated.

There have been reports of covert contacts between Israeli and Pakistani officials, including a WikiLeaks document that indicated that a high-ranking official in the Pakistani army met directly with the Israeli Mossad.

Pakistan’s Prime Minister Muhammad Nawaz Sharif addresses the 70th Session of the United Nations General Assembly at the UN in New York, September 30, 2015. (AFP/JEWEL SAMAD)

Publicly, however, the two nations have little to do with one another. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reportedly canceled a dinner reservation at a New York restaurant to avoid eating at the same time as Pakistan’s Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif.

Though there are still no formal ties with the United Arab Emirates, there has recently been a thaw in Israel’s relationship with the Gulf state. In November, Foreign Ministry Director-General Dore Gold visited Bahrain in order to open its first diplomatic mission in Abu Dhabi, which is part of the United Arab Emirates.

READ MORE ON: IAF Israeli Air Force, Red Flag drill, US Air Force, Nevada, Pakistan, UAE United Arab Emirates, Israel-Pakistan relations
 
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PAF offers sale of JF-17, Super Mushshak to Kuwait Air Force

ISLAMABAD, Aug 4 (APP): Chief of the Air Staff (CAS), Air Chief Marshal Suhail Aman on Thursday met his Kuwaiti counterpart and offered sale of indigenously developed JF-17 and Super Mushshak aircraft besides providing training to pilots and expertise to technicians.

CAS is undertaking four-day official visit to Kuwait, a press release of PAF here stated.

The Air Chief called on Major General Abdullah Yaqoob Al-Fodri, Commander of Kuwait Air Force and highlighted the success story of JF-17 programme. He offered the sale of indigenously produced JF-17 Thunder and Super Mushshak aircraft to Kuwait Air Force.

He updated his counterpart about the flying training being undertaken by Kuwaiti Air Force pilots at PAF Academy Risalpur and offered assistance in establishment of training facilities for officers and technicians of Kuwait Air Force.


http://www.app.com.pk/paf-offers-sale-of-jf-17-super-mushshak-to-kuwait-air-force/
 
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why Pakistan always just offer Super Mushak but no K-8 which is more advance Trainer jet with Turbo jet Engine?
 
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why Pakistan always just offer Super Mushak but no K-8 which is more advance Trainer jet with Turbo jet Engine?

Super Mushak is a basic trainer and K-8 is intermediate trainer so it depends upon the requirement of the customer in the category, offered.
 
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Super Mushak is a basic trainer and K-8 is intermediate trainer so it depends upon the requirement of the customer in the category, offered.

i know that. so here one more question raise why do turkey buying super Mushak from Pakistan while Turkey is making much better trainer itself "Hurkus" on one side turkey is giving Pakistan T-37 and on other side they are buying mushaq from Pakistan?
 
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