PAF to get extra F-16 Block-52+ ?

[Kompromat]

what is NOC for engines ?

No objection certificate. The T-129's engines are US made.

 

[lavenge lavenge]

You mentioned about sucker India, so what about Indians giving all the access to Apache AH-64s, P8 Poisdon, C-130J and other US equipment to Russians, and Iranians. I also sure Russians are having a field day peeking inside Indian bought US equipment in it?

India-Russia relations are those of equals. We are not dependent on Russia's aid or Protection so that they could not glean information from India which India does not wish to provide.

Only threat that US's intellectual property has from India is that we would use info gained from them in our local weapon development program.

 

[Abingdonboy]

I like it, but i'm particular fond of the UH-1Y Venom that is being produce along side the Viper.

I would love to be a door gunner on it

The Venom's are a bada$$ piece of kit! Who'd have thought the humble and baby-faced Huey could look so mean?

 

[Kompromat]

Ah, I see- ask for the house but you only really want the blinds- sneaky sneaky

I still think the US is likely to be wary of handing over such critical tech (engines are perhaps on of the most advanced and complex parts on an aircraft) to anyone but let's see how this goes.

If they reject the engines then they will not only piss off Pakistan (buyer) but also Turkey (seller). I don't know they would risk a rift with two of us for a handful of engines. Again if they refuse both engines and Ah-1Z then we are already discussing Mi-28NE with Russia and Z-10 with China. We need new copters to replace our Cobras, no matter where we get them from.

 

[lavenge lavenge]

With a republican congress and senate, no arms procurement for Pakistan is going to be straightforward. They may reject the AH-1Z again but we can secure the sale of engines.

Turkey would be in a better position to lobby for Engine than you.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Only threat that US's intellectual property has from India is that we would use info gained from them in our local weapon development program.

That last part is certainly true but it seems the Western companies are more than happy with India's record on such matters:

India has strong legal framework to protect intellectual property rights: Boeing - The Times of India

Hence why they are willing to offer cutting edge tech to India (AESA radars, P-8Is, AH-64E etc).

 

[Kompromat]

Turkey would be in a better position to lobby for Engine than you.

Both would be lobbying. Technically speaking the T-129 deal best suits Pakistan as the Turks are willing to provide us with local production of these copters on generous terms.

 

[Kompromat]

That last part is certainly true but it seems the Western companies are more than happy with India's record on such matters:

India has strong legal framework to protect intellectual property rights: Boeing - The Times of India

Hence why they are willing to offer cutting edge tech to India (AESA radars, P-8Is, AH-64E etc).

Lets keep the off topics out.

 

[Abingdonboy]

If they reject the engines then they will not only piss off Pakistan (buyer) but also Turkey (seller). I don't know they would risk a rift with two of us for a handful of engines. Again if they refuse both engines and Ah-1Z then we are already discussing Mi-28NE with Russia and Z-10 with China. We need new copters to replace our Cobras, no matter where we get them from.

Fair enough, it must be a nightmare to be in charge of Pakistan's military procurements- so many moving parts, so many conditions, so many ifs and buts! Nothing seems straightforward.

 

[Kompromat]

Fair enough, it must be a nightmare to be in charge of Pakistan's military procurements- so many moving parts, so many conditions, so many ifs and buts! Nothing seems straightforward.

In the end most of the stuff gets done. This is how it is in the world of superpower interests.

 

[Asian.Century]

Produce more JF-17 and invest in improving the plane. Instead of buying more US stuff.

JF17 doesnot need more production, JF17 needs more development and lethality. Producing a premature version in 100s is not the correct way...it wastes vital money and time. We need to develop JF17 to block II and Block III/IV standard first...our research and development must first focus here.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Via Pak Def. Pakistan wants eight F-16 Block-52+ aircrafts, 3 OHP frigates and requested the sale of AH-1Z Viper attack helicopters to replace the AH-1F/S Cobras. I was told the same thing by a PAF source a few months ago. Is it likely that Pakistan will exercise the option for the total 18 extra F-16s or buy more surplus ones from the US ?

https://twitter.com/x/status/534541051579883520

surplus is okay....we shouldnt get more block 52s...not right now, maybe later. Is the MLU process for older F16s even complete yet or near completion? i havent been really following that much lately

 

[Asian.Century]

surplus is okay....we shouldnt get more block 52s...not right now, maybe later. Is the MLU process for older F16s even complete yet or near completion? i havent been really following that much lately

MLU for all 41 F16 is complete, last ones were received in a ceremony with TAI.

Link: The Last Four TAI-Modernized F-16s Were Delivered To Pakistan Air Force - Turkish Aerospace Industries, Inc.

Why we shouldn't go for block 52 now and then later opt for? what difference will it make now or later?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

MLU for all 41 F16 is complete, last ones were received in a ceremony with TAI.

Link: The Last Four TAI-Modernized F-16s Were Delivered To Pakistan Air Force - Turkish Aerospace Industries, Inc.

Why we shouldn't go for block 52 now and then later opt for? what difference will it make now or later?

thanks for the link brother...

i feel we should devote more funds towards JF-17's continuous development....should be top priority IMHO

 

[Tacticool]

surplus is okay....we shouldnt get more block 52s...not right now, maybe later. Is the MLU process for older F16s even complete yet or near completion? i havent been really following that much lately

The last upgraded F-16 MLU has been delivered by turkey.