PAF to get extra F-16 Block-52+ ?

[Rafi]

AH-64D are too expensive for Pakistan. It seems that Pakistan has renewed its interest for sale of the AH-1Z.

Regarding the 1Z, we are fishing, real target is purchase of NOC regarding engines, nuff said.

 

[Kompromat]

Regarding the 1Z, we are fishing, real target is purchase of NOS regarding engines, nuff said.

For T-129s?

 

[C130]

Both of them are speculation. Pakistan knows that the US won't like its equipment being looked at by the Chinese military etc. There is no such thing happening from Pakistani side. On the other hand Israel has sold major projects totally or partially funded by the US to China. I,e Lavi, Patriot technology, Apache's software, Python missiles and F-15's engines among other things.

yes Israel has, and some of believe we should abandon Israel to the wolves.

 

[Rafi]

For T-129s?

In my opinion yes.

 

[Kompromat]

The unit cost of a (new build) AH-1Z is around $30m and for a AH-64E around $40m (maybe a bit more, the unit cost of the E is unknown to date), not too much in it really.

As Rafi pointed out. The real objective maybe to get an NOC for the engines used in the t-129s

 

[Kompromat]

In my opinion yes.

That makes good sense

 

[Abingdonboy]

As Rafi pointed out. The real objective maybe to get an NOC for the engines used in the t-129s

How would that be best achieved by expressing interest in the AH-1Z? I'm not really sure what Pakistan's ongoing procurement programs are and how they are leveraged.

 

[Kompromat]

yes Israel has, and some of believe we should abandon Israel to the wolves.

Fair enough. Its up to your govt to approve or reject these sales. As a buyer we can only express an intent to procure these items. If not these then there are many other options open to us of course.

 

[Asian.Century]

so why should we sell top of the line F-16s and our newest Super Cobra so China can analyze them???

we have to be crazy to continue selling to Pakistan and still think India is going to turn a blind eye to it.

You mentioned about sucker India, so what about Indians giving all the access to Apache AH-64s, P8 Poisdon, C-130J and other US equipment to Russians, and Iranians. I am sure Russians are having a field day peeking inside Indian bought US equipment in it?

 

[Kompromat]

How would that be best achieved by expressing interest in the AH-1Z? I'm not really sure what Pakistan's ongoing procurement programs are and how they are leveraged.

With a republican congress and senate, no arms procurement for Pakistan is going to be straightforward. They may reject the AH-1Z again but we can secure the sale of engines.

 

[C130]

Hasn't Pakistan asked for the the AH-1Z in the past and been denied?

A devastatingly handsome (and lethal) beast:

I always wonder why the PA didn't request the AH-64 though. The AH-1Z makes sense for the USMC but surely the AH-64D/E would be far more suited for the PA?

I like it, but i'm particular fond of the UH-1Y Venom that is being produce along side the Viper.

I would love to be a door gunner on it

 

[Abingdonboy]

You mentioned about sucker India, so what about Indians giving all the access to Apache AH-64s, P8 Poisdon, C-130J and other US equipment to Russians, and Iranians. I also sure Russians are having a field day peeking inside Indian bought US equipment in it?

India will never engage in this sort of nonsense (infringe others' IPR rights for a foreign player) and has a decent reputation on the matter, I don't know what the situation is with the Chinese and Paksitan but to be fair I would say the US are shrewd enough to keep their IPR intact in Pakistan. Didn't I hear the US tell the PAF to keep the F-16s are different bases from the JF-17s or at least away from Chinese engineers? Also many parts in the F-16s have digital seals and only Lockheed Martin can gain access to certain parts of the plane.

 

[Asian.Century]

As Rafi pointed out. The real objective maybe to get an NOC for the engines used in the t-129s

what is NOC for engines ?

 

[Kompromat]

I hope the news is wrong and congress does us a favour by rejecting any further arms sales to Pakistan.
F-16 block 52+ will distract Pakistan from J-31

No they won't. FC-31 is a completely different machine which won't be available for another 10 years.

 

[Abingdonboy]

With a republican congress and senate, no arms procurement for Pakistan is going to be straightforward. They may reject the AH-1Z again but we can secure the sale of engines.

Ah, I see- ask for the house but you only really want the blinds- sneaky sneaky

I still think the US is likely to be wary of handing over such critical tech (engines are perhaps on of the most advanced and complex parts on an aircraft) to anyone but let's see how this goes.