PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[Riz]

Not sure how US gonna do it when both J-10C and F-16 in Pakistan hands.

our F-16 flying with Jf-17s , after the arrival of J-10 in Pakistan then there will be no restrictions on it

 

[Indos]

Not sure how US gonna do it when both J-10C and F-16 in Pakistan hands.

Same like F 16 and Sukhoi 27/30 in Indonesian hands

 

[luciferdd]

Not sure how US gonna do it when both J-10C and F-16 in Pakistan hands.

Through a confrontation training between J-10C and F-16B52，China may know more about old F-16 B52 but the US will know more about the J-10C.To sum up, China will even suffered losses....

 

[JawadKKhan]

So, J-10C is coming?

Not at all.. only JS-10 are coming! Its a combo of J-20 and J-10

 

[Imran Khan]

Not at all.. only JS-10 are coming! Its a combo of J-20 and J-10

hope nothing will come we will got 5th gen strait

 

[SQ8]

Hi,

Stop kissing ----.

I never kissed you

 

[GriffinsRule]

For those wondering about the number of hard points on a J-10......here all 11 stations visible and loaded.

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Quite a disappointing loadout especially for a delta wing jet. Even the F-16A in comparison could carry 18 Mk-82 bombs on MERS, a centerline tank and two wingtip missiles.

In any real combat scenario, the two hardpoints under the chin would have an LDP and a EW pod, and the underwing stations will have guided weapons instead of free fall dumb bombs, making the two hardpoints by the engine mostly pointless (they seem like it was almost a design afterthought anyways). Even here the F-16 is better for A-G role where it can carry pods on two chin-stations, 2/3 tanks (+2 cfts), 2/4 LGBs and 4 A-A missiles.

Point I am making is, lets not harp about the 11 hardpoints available, if they can only be utilized for unguided free fall bombs. That is for a bygone era. J-10 is not a mud-mover; its comfort zone will be in air to air engagements where only 7 hardpoints will factor in, like most single engine jets.

Another point to ponder is why we have not seen Chinese jets carrying guided bombs on dual racks like the GBU-12s pictured above on the F-16? Does it shows a certain lack of design expertise perhaps? Their LGBs seem to be blocky without folding fins though they have shown smaller (100-125kg bombs in 2020).

For the 11 hardpoints, we still need to know if the last 2 hardpoints carrying dumb bombs in that picture can host smart weapons with a databus to them or not... That is the million dollar question right now ( well - to me at least - but i dont have a million dollars if anyone asks ... ).

The front 2 hardpoints under the chin are smart - as they can carry jammers and laserr designation pods - the question is really for the last 2 which are just infront of the engine on the underside of the fuselage..

In all likelyhood they are not capable of carrying smart weapons and esp not missiles (will interfere with the land gear as there isnt sufficient room for anything longer than what you see.

 

[IceCold]

Let's not make a big deal about helping each other, China and Pakistan cooperation has many layers and "cherries" on top.

....nuff said......

 

[araz]

Not at all.. only JS-10 are coming! Its a combo of J-20 and J-10

Is main murghi kaun si hai or murgha kaun hai. . Sorry could not resist the cross breeding assumption.
A

 

[cssniper]

Quite a disappointing loadout especially for a delta wing jet. Even the F-16A in comparison could carry 18 Mk-82 bombs on MERS, a centerline tank and two wingtip missiles.

In any real combat scenario, the two hardpoints under the chin would have an LDP and a EW pod, and the underwing stations will have guided weapons instead of free fall dumb bombs, making the two hardpoints by the engine mostly pointless (they seem like it was almost a design afterthought anyways). Even here the F-16 is better for A-G role where it can carry pods on two chin-stations, 2/3 tanks (+2 cfts), 2/4 LGBs and 4 A-A missiles.

View attachment 806803

Point I am making is, lets not harp about the 11 hardpoints available, if they can only be utilized for unguided free fall bombs. That is for a bygone era. J-10 is not a mud-mover; its comfort zone will be in air to air engagements where only 7 hardpoints will factor in, like most single engine jets.

Another point to ponder is why we have not seen Chinese jets carrying guided bombs on dual racks like the GBU-12s pictured above on the F-16? Does it shows a certain lack of design expertise perhaps? Their LGBs seem to be blocky without folding fins though they have shown smaller (100-125kg bombs in 2020).

In all likelyhood they are not capable of carrying smart weapons and esp not missiles (will interfere with the land gear as there isnt sufficient room for anything longer than what you see.

Found some pictures, not sure about their authenticity.

Let's admit that:j-10 is designed for air combat, interception task, not so good at carrying a lot payloads.
But I do believe PAF could get help from China to increase the Air to Surface capacities of it (What is urgent and most important for PAF is still to encounter the Rafaels) . LDBs , SDBs, whatever.These are really easier than aircraft designing.
Relax guys, actually we will get more information about j-10's capacities after PAF get it. They must be eagerness to show us.

 

[TheSolution]

Found some pictures, not sure about their authenticity.
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Let's admit that:j-10 is designed for air combat, interception task, not so good at carrying a lot payloads.
But I do believe PAF could get help from China to increase the Air to Surface capacities of it (What is urgent and most important for PAF is still to encounter the Rafaels) . LDBs , SDBs, whatever.These are really easier than aircraft designing.
Relax guys, actually we will get more information about j-10's capacities after PAF get it. They must be eagerness to show us.

Isn't that the J10A?

 

[RangeMaster]

Isn't that the J10A?

Yes that's J10A

 

[cssniper]

Isn't that the J10A?

Yes, just take notice of the payloads under the fuselage, look like LGBs.

 

[FuturePAF]

I mean this scene" When the F-16 first arrived in Pakistan a visiting PLAAF general was invited to look at it. As he sat in the cockpit he took his two fingers and started measuring the heads up display which caused the US support staff to panic. Now why was one of the most senior PLAAF officer measuring the HUD of a US fighter? Was he trying to copy it? Or take the information back to your engineers ? " is not exist,OK?China had been sended their pilots to Europe to drive their new Jet include Mirage 2000 for test at 1980S.Researching a wreckage of F16 maybe has some help,but it's not a determining factor.

Also, back in the 80s US-China relations were decent, even in military equipment, as seen with the work Grumman was providing China in their J-8 Fighter.

Remembering The Time Grumman Helped Craft A Modern Fighter For China

The brief thaw in America’s relations with China in the 1980s yielded this surprising hybrid fighter program led by Grumman.

www.thedrive.com

 

[ziaulislam]

Thanks for correction; J8 was an ugly concoction of someone having a hangover and double vision .

Not bad for first attempt though
It did worked