PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[lightning F57]

J-10CE ends with an E; whereas J-10C ends with C

That much even I know

 

[Readerdefence]

I am a civilian, not a professional. I come here to learn.

Hi thanks for your reply

 

[The Terminator]

Content in Chinese(captured from the pic)

"猛龙"的进化

浅析歼10战斗机的多用途发展

歼10C在攻击能力方面相对于B型有了进一步的提升、并且对机内相关探测、航电以及控制系统进行了升级完善，可以更为有效的支持新型空地（舰）导弹武器使用，对地攻击能力得到了很大的扩展，可以在中近距离执行高强度攻击作战任务，一定程度上弥补了中国空军现代高性能多用途战斗机数量不足的问题

新型有源相控阵雷达不仅在对空性能上表现优秀、同时在对（海）功能方面也有着更高的性能，可以更好地支持不同类型精确制导攻击弹药的使用

空中加油能力可以保证歼10C在执行远程对地（海）攻击作战时拥有更大的自由度和更强的适应能力


歼10C的进气道下的2个小型挂点（C）也对相关电气接口进行了改进，可以根据任务需要挂载电子战、数据通信、光学指示等不同用途的吊舱

歼10C的翼下内侧挂点（A）仍然存在着与A型相同的问题，这一点并没有因为多用途能力的增强而得到彻底的改善。不过其武器挂载能力却有了进一步提高，可以携带尺寸和质量更大的攻击武器（如1吨级制导炸弹），一定程度上弥补了该处挂点无法挂载导弹武器的缺陷

歼F10C的外侧挂点（D）仍然以挂载近距空空弹为主，挂载能力并没有

歼10C翼下中部挂点（B）的挂弹种类增加，除了常规制导炸弹外还可以满足包括反雷达导弹、中远程空地导弹、反舰导弹等各类型导弹武器的挂载，使歼10C具备视距外对地精确打击能力

虽然歼10C腹部的4个挂点，特别是后部2个（E）受到空间的限制仍无法挂载大型武器，但随着中国新一代小型制导弹药研制的突破，100、150、250千克级别的一系列红外、卫星、激光制导炸弹已经开始装备，这对于发挥这4个小型挂点的利用率、增强歼10C的攻击能力将发挥十分重要作用

歼10C在执行对空作战时，极限条件下可以携带6枚中距空空弹和2枚近距空空弹（A），在数量上与重型战斗机本质上没有差别。特别是最内侧挂点通过换装弹射转接梁实现了中距弹的弹射发射，避免了早期只能采用导轨发射适应性差的问题

歼10C在执行对地攻击任务时，可以根据作战距离及任务的需要携带不同的攻击弹药，例如A装态中可以携带3个副油箱和2枚超音速反雷达（反舰）导弹对地而雷达和水而舰艇实施打击（B状态则为2枚中远程空地导弹）、同时还可以携带2枚格斗弹用于自卫。根据所携带导弹类型的不同、在进气道下的2个挂点还可携带相关数据传输吊舱及电子战吊舱。此时，歼10C的攻击范围不低于800千米。如果攻击范围更小一些，在只携带1个机腹副油箱的情况下在翼下挂载4枚500千克各类型制导炸弹或在携带2个翼下副油箱的情况下可在翼下、机腹部挂载3枚500千克制导炸弹及相关吊舱。这种弹药挂栽能力实际上已经与重型战斗轰炸机或多用途战斗机没有太大的差距，作为中型平台来说已经非常优秀了

随着一系列小型制导弹药的装备，歼10C的对地攻击能力获得了极大提升，特别是在执行近距离空中支援任务时，其可以携带足够数量的弹药用于对地面多个目标的打击，不仅打击精度可以得到保证，同时攻击距离也将由常规弹药的几千米增加到十几乃至几十千米，战场生存能力也将因此大为提升

Machine translation:

The Evolution of "Vigorous Dragon"


A Brief Analysis of the Multi-purpose Development of the J-10 Fighter


Compared with the B-type, the attack capability of the J-10C has been further improved, and the related detection, avionics and control systems in the aircraft have been upgraded and improved, which can more effectively support the use of new air-to-ground (ship) missile weapons, and to ground The attack capability has been greatly expanded, and it can perform high-intensity attack combat missions at medium and short distances, which to a certain extent makes up for the insufficient number of modern high-performance multi-role fighters of the Chinese Air Force


The new active phased array radar not only has excellent performance against air, but also has higher performance against (sea) functions, which can better support the use of different types of precision-guided attack munitions


The aerial refueling capability can ensure that the J-10C has greater freedom and greater adaptability when performing long-range ground (sea) attack operations


The two small hanging points (C) under the air intake of the J-10C have also improved the relevant electrical interfaces, and can mount pods for different purposes such as electronic warfare, data communication, and optical indication according to the needs of the mission.


The J-10C's underwing inboard hanging point (A) still has the same problem as the A type, which has not been completely improved by the enhanced multi-purpose capability. However, its weapon mounting capacity has been further improved, and it can carry attack weapons with larger size and mass (such as 1-ton guided bombs), which to a certain extent makes up for the defect that missile weapons cannot be mounted at the hanging point.


The outer hanging point (D) of the JF10C is still mainly used to mount short-range air-to-air bombs, and the mounting capacity is not


The types of hanging bombs (B) under the wing of the J-10C have been increased. In addition to conventional guided bombs, it can also meet the loading of various types of missile weapons including anti-radar missiles, medium and long-range air-to-ground missiles, and anti-ship missiles, making the J-10C capable of visual inspection. Long-range precision strike capability


Although the four hanging points on the abdomen of the J-10C, especially the two rear ones (E), are still unable to mount large weapons due to space constraints, with the breakthrough in the development of a new generation of small guided munitions in China, the 100, 150, and 250 kg class A series of infrared, satellite, and laser-guided bombs have been equipped, which will play a very important role in giving full play to the utilization of these four small hanging points and enhancing the attack capability of the J-10C.


When the J-10C performs anti-air combat, it can carry 6 medium-range air-to-air bombs and 2 short-range air-to-air bombs (A) under extreme conditions, which is essentially the same as that of heavy fighter jets. In particular, the innermost hanging point realizes the ejection of medium-range projectiles by replacing the ejection adapter beam, avoiding the problem of poor adaptability of only using guide rails in the early stage.


When the J-10C is performing a ground attack mission, it can carry different attack ammunition according to the combat distance and the needs of the mission. For example, in the A-load state, it can carry 3 auxiliary fuel tanks and 2 supersonic anti-radar (anti-ship) missiles to the ground and radar Heshui and ships carry out strikes (2 medium and long-range air-to-ground missiles in B state), and can also carry 2 fighting bombs for self-defense. According to the different types of missiles carried, the two hanging points under the air intake can also carry related data transmission pods and electronic warfare pods. At this time, the attack range of the J-10C is not less than 800 kilometers. If the attack range is smaller, you can mount 4 500kg guided bombs of various types under the wing with only 1 belly drop tank or 3 under the wing and under the belly with 2 under-wing drop tanks 500kg guided bombs and associated pods. This kind of ammunition mounting capability is actually not much different from that of heavy fighter-bombers or multi-role fighters. As a medium-sized platform, it is already very good.

So in full load out it can carry 6 MRAAM (PL-12/PL-15) missiles, and 2 PL-10s under the wing. And an under belly centerline fuel tank. EW and targeting pods at chin mounted hard points and a couple of ground strike guided bombs in the back! Am I right?? Or would it exceed it's maximum take off weight!

 

[SABRE]

We can't afford it even if its given to us for free also its not really suitable for our doctrine

Without naming the aircraft, PAF did approach the Chinese for the stealth aircraft. To which the Chinese replied they are not yet ready to export. But rest assured when they are ready Pakistan would be the first customer.

 

[Princeps Senatus]

F-35 is a very expensive platform I am not sure they can field it in large enough numbers
The only western platform they can afford in their budget is the Gripen

F-35 costs less than the Gripen E/F. If Finland can afford 64 F-35s, anyone can.

 

[The Terminator]

A question @Deino
F-35 can carry 14 BVR missiles
F-15 can carry 14 BVR missiles
F/A-18 super Hornet can carry 10 BVRs
F/A-18 Hornet can carry 8 BVRs
How many J-10 can carry only 4 ?View attachment 821310

IMHO 6 BVRs under it's wings.

Unless it's applicable! then probably 8

 

[Zibago]

A question @Deino
F-35 can carry 14 BVR missiles
F-15 can carry 14 BVR missiles
F/A-18 super Hornet can carry 10 BVRs
F/A-18 Hornet can carry 8 BVRs
How many J-10 can carry only 4 ?View attachment 821310

J-10 is more comparable to F-16, Gripen and Rafael

 

[siegecrossbow]

F-35 is a very expensive platform I am not sure they can field it in large enough numbers
The only western platform they can afford in their budget is the Gripen

Best course of action is for them to upgrade to Gripen E. At least that’s what I’ll do as Thai military chief.

 

[Engima Chaudhry]

A question @Deino
F-35 can carry 14 BVR missiles
F-15 can carry 14 BVR missiles
F/A-18 super Hornet can carry 10 BVRs
F/A-18 Hornet can carry 8 BVRs
How many J-10 can carry only 4 ?View attachment 821310

6+2=8. If u use the inner wing stations ( usually occupied by external fuel tanks) then add 4. Total is 12 .

 

[vi-va]

So in full load out it can carry 6 MRAAM (PL-12/PL-15) missiles, and 2 PL-10s under the wing. And an under belly centerline fuel tank. EW and targeting pods at chin mounted hard points and a couple of ground strike guided bombs in the back! Am I right?? Or would it exceed it's maximum take off weight!

I think so.
@Deino

 

[Engima Chaudhry]

6+2=8. If u use the inner wing stations ( usually occupied by external fuel tanks) then add 4. Total is 12 .

But, obviously, carrying so many is only for optics. In real world , mission determines the configuration.
Likewise , if u load only bvrs on jf 17. Then using dual racks, 9 bvr plus two wvr. But why would u do that?

 

[Zibago]

F-35 costs less than the Gripen E/F. If Finland can afford 64 F-35s, anyone can.

Where do you get your numbers from?

Defense acquisitions are not like buying a new phone. If we wanted to acquire J-20s and China was willing, we would have J-20s landing in Kamra the next month.

They are not and that is exactly why we are not making commitments for platforms that are expensive to acquire and operate while we still havent replace our ancient mirages

 

[Engima Chaudhry]

So in full load out it can carry 6 MRAAM (PL-12/PL-15) missiles, and 2 PL-10s under the wing. And an under belly centerline fuel tank. EW and targeting pods at chin mounted hard points and a couple of ground strike guided bombs in the back! Am I right?? Or would it exceed it's maximum take off weight!

For 6 bvr , the two chin mounted pylons have to be used . Any additional ones will have to take up "wet " pylons I e . Have to put dual racks on fuel tank pylons

 

[Zibago]

Best course of action is for them to upgrade to Gripen E. At least that’s what I’ll do as Thai military chief.

Its either the Grpen or used F-16 anything else will not be easy to acquire in large enough numbers

 

[Princeps Senatus]

Where do you get your numbers from?

They are not and that is exactly why we are not making commitments for platforms that are expensive to acquire and operate while we still havent replace our ancient mirages

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