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Unless your tanks cruise sideways , 60 deg and beyond angle is a rare value and that too when you couldnt work in the front. Good luck in that
Fofanov presents even weaker values for Russian tanks side on, infact, every tank has weaker side armour including M1, Leo-2 series and Challys, Even Merkava has been penetrated from sides. Turret side is a universal weak area for all tanks so please stop singling out Chinese weak turret from side.
Oh, guess i missed this :O
T-90A vladimir, red and black spots represent penetration values. so much for impenerable turret...
As usual speaking without knowing,the red areas indicate where rpg-29s hit and black where kornet ATGMS ,they do not indicate penetrations.
The trials yielded the following outcome:
ATGLs
T-90: RPG-29 produced a total of 3 penetrations.
No other RPG rounds could penetrate even the stripped target.
T-80U: RPG-29 penetrated 3 times with ERA, all 5 times without ERA.
Of all other grenades, one PG-7VR penetrated the stripped target.
ATGMs
T-90: No ATGMs could penetrate the ERA-equipped target. One Kornet ATGM penetrated the stripped target.
T-80U: 2 Kornet ATGMs penetrated the ERA-equipped target, all 5 penetrated the stripped target.
No other ATGMs could penetrate.
APFSDS
T-90: ERA-equipped target could not be penetrated. Furthermore, after firing the crew entered the vehicle, activated it and was able to execute the firing sequence.
Without ERA, one round penetrated.
T-80U (data available only for stripped target): One round almost penetrated (3mm hole in the inner lining, no visible equipment damage); two penetrated to 1/2 thickness; one missed the target completely; one hit the gun.
Now onto turret side,if u don't understand what ur talking about really u shouldn't.T-90s are not vulnerable to slant shots and also they concentarte composite armour in frontal arc unlike chinese tanks which have lesser composite armour despite bigger size due to flawed design in an attempt to blend russian and western tank design.Also chinese designs have bad exposed sloped roof only corrected in last model of type-99 to some extent.
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IF u can't understand what these images are saying,then there is no point.
this is in Georgia conflict...turret ERA is K-5 but, nothing survived really
Again cherrypicking without knowing,first of all thats NOT t-90 its t-72BM.
Second of all turret wasn't penetrated ,tracks and side of hull.There are pics of abrams with tracks and side hull taken out.U can see intact k-5 plates.Tank was damaged and cerw unharmed except commander who was injured in leg.Know what ur are posting.
That was not t-90.
Oh GOD !!!!!!!!
i was the one who shared it cant u see? Fofanovs page? LOL
these images are estimates made by forum lurkers !!!! Dont you understand the difference ??
How old are you anyway?
for penetration, look at the lower picture.
Kid ,just read the analysis done on the first pic...then ask urself if u understand word geometry..how old ARE you?Now if u have any concrete refutations to that ..fire away except my age,estimates.
Everything being talked about here is an estimate.Everything u and i have posted is an estimate.This is a public forum not live testing range.None of us have access to super secret info .
Argue all you want lad but T-72BM IS the T-90, some charecters like FCS, armour etc were adapted from T-80U but rest is the same.
i am 35 by the way, you must be 18?
for concrete evidence, please visit last 10 pages or AK info pool thread, otherwise better remain calm and accept the relaity
http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...nk-type-90-iim-mbt-2000-information-pool.html
Nope 25.Unless u can provide anything to refute those turret weakness diagrams,plz remain calm and accept reality.
Ill be the last person on this earth who looks forward to satisfy you.
Please have some sense man, for once
This the best u can do.I already said in earlier post original t-90 was t-72BU.From late 80s.
IA doesn't use that cast armour t-90s.IA uses 310 t-90S which new welded turret[with 30-50% greater armour rating and more composites] and the rest t-90m/s bhismas with further modifications to armour and kanchan composites.
Next time get a little more info about what ur talking abt.
The T-90 main battle tank, the most modern tank in the army arsenal, went into low-level production in 1993, based on a prototype designated as the T-88. The T-90 was developed by the Kartsev-Venediktov Design Bureau at the Vagonka Works in Nizhniy Tagil. Initially seen as an entirely new design, the production model is in fact based on the T-72BM, with some added features from the T-80 series.
AS if u believe i will give in to your double standards and constant evasion,and give in to your satisfaction?
So are we destined to do this forever?
The T-90 main battle tank, the most modern tank in the army arsenal, went into low-level production in 1993, based on a prototype designated as the T-88. The T-90 was developed by the Kartsev-Venediktov Design Bureau at the Vagonka Works in Nizhniy Tagil. Initially seen as an entirely new design, the production model is in fact based on the T-72BM, with some added features from the T-80 series.
Sometimes, a little reality check is necessary, if you dont accept it, there is no time to complain later
Of course basic t-90 model is based t-72BU.Ur constant folly is trying to equate a model that evolved from t-72 in late 1980s to what it is today.
The first t-90s that were based on t-72BM used cast turrets and their armour is the diagram u gave a few pages back.
IA and any new russian t-90 uses welded turrets with 30-50% greater armour and much more composites and modified turret.
Indina bhisma also uses kanchan composites.The weight difference between ur t-72BM/early model cast turret t-90 and current IA t-90 is 42 tonnes vs 50 tonnes due to much more armour and electronics.
Sometimes a reality check is indeed necessary to uninformed people such as u who are oblivious .Thta why i have stuck around as well to enlighten u about the flaws in ur vaunted khalid and blow ur trolling on t-90.
T-90 is a welded turret T-72 BM with T-80U electronics, gun, FCS and optics. The welded turret in T-72 BU resulted in T-90 A version, you see two different things here. Export T-90E and S (INCLUDING INDIAN S versions too) had a cast turret which was later changed on IA's request.
All my posts are in the context of Subcontinenet mbt battle, nothing more, i mentioned this in my initial posts but ................