PA TANKS comparison with contempory tanks

[Dazzler]

Read my post ..what do you think type-59 'variants' mean?What u think type-59m2 is a seperate tank or type 59 variant as i said.
On type-59 of PA.
''80 Type 59 tanks ordered in 1964 from the PRC and delivered between 1965 and 1966. 210 Type 59 tanks ordered in 1968 from the PRC and delivered between 1970 and 1972. 159 Type 59 tanks ordered in 1973 from the PRC and delivered in 1974. 852 Type 59 tanks ordered in 1975 from the PRC and delivered between 1978 and 1988. Around 1,300 Type 59s were in service in 1990, 1,200 in 1995 and 2000, 1,100 in 2002, 1,000 Type 59s and 80 Al-Zarrars (Type 59 upgrade) in 2005, 600 Type 59s and 300 Al-Zarrars in 2008, 1100 Type 59s and 400 Al-Zarrars in 2010. 600 Type 59s and 600 Al Zarrar's in 2012. ''

All ur type-59 and type-69 are mostly armed with 105 mm guns,obsolete armour totally and useless in modern tank to tank combat except infantry fire support.

So khalid 350-400 and t-80ud 320?Thats around 700 truly modern tanks against 800 plus t-90s and 120 odd arjuns.
And 300+ type-85III and 700 odd zarrars for 1000 odd second tier tanks to face off against our similar numbers of t-72 ajeyas.
That still leaves over a 1000 t-72s against which u have totally obsolete type59/69 variants.

Also WHERE IS THE MIGHTY NAIZA 2 upgraded thats fully operational throughout PA,also where is this latest chinese round that PA uses.Ur just making wishes in the air.And where will u hide the flaws of ur tanks turrets?

go sleep kid, you are a waste of time

Defence spokesman Col S D Goswami said: "At present the main stay in terms of the number of India's armoured regiments is the T-72 tanks followed by T-55 tanks.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

go sleep kid, you are a waste of time

Good if u have nothing else to add or answer.But who was i even talking to ..ur a guy who didn't even know arjun had been inducted waay back in 2009.And hear u were badmouthing IA tank corps.

go sleep kid, you are a waste of time

That was 2011 kid.T-55 has been retired from IA and moved to reserve storage.Ur ignorance about indian tank forces amazes me,yet ur blabbering about our 'disadvantage'.
http://articles.timesofindia.indiat..._arjun-tanks-indigenous-main-battle-tank-t-90

 

[Keshav Murali]

Aren't polish and ukrainians in for new ammo tender?
Also what is the best russian APS shtora or arena?I thought drozd-2 and arena were pretty equal and quite advanced?Some reports say arena was selected even for south korean k2 black panther?

I don't know about the APS stuff. But Arena does not have a good reputation. Ask Andrei_bt or hest at home ( )

3BM-44M Lekalo will be provided yep i saw sources of the deal. average penetration @ 2000 m, 0 deg is 600-650mm, @ 60 deg, its 300 mm.

Maybe, we don't know which 3BM44 it is so far. But it is definitely up for export.

Isnt Vitiaz a gun?

Yes. But there are people running up and down claiming there is a "Vityaz" APFSDS.

 

[Keshav Murali]

Thats why you see rounds busting, poor propellant and storage, and even plans for discarding thousands of APFSDS (15000 of them!!) due to substandard quality. A

73,000 actually. Destroyed in '03. Not now.

this is in Georgia conflict...turret ERA is K-5 but, nothing survived really

T-72B variant.
@Dazzler, a few poor arguments from your side noticed - 1) Boron Carbide is not integral to Burlington.
2) Boron Carbide isn't the best - See methos's latest posts there.
3) The reason for using DU in the first place was its low cost, not effectiveness. Tungsten has been in use from the 1930's for AP rounds.

@AUSTERLITZ, don't get pissed, leave this to me if you are not able to handle it.

 

[Keshav Murali]

@Dazzler

The last T-55 in service are mine-clearing vehicles according to Kunal Biswas. And that's all.

The T-90's armour is much better than T-72B variants, any of them. Just because T-90 was based on the T-72BU prototype doesn't mean it is incompetent.

Last, and the least, Arjun is in service already. 119 for now. T-90? From what I know, we have the initial 300+ batch and the first knock-down kits of 300+ in service already.

*Yawn* You are better off asking Kunal Biswas in Arjun and T-90 matters. Get it off this thread please. Let's take it there.

 

[Dazzler]

@Dazzler

The last T-55 in service are mine-clearing vehicles according to Kunal Biswas. And that's all.

The T-90's armour is much better than T-72B variants, any of them. Just because T-90 was based on the T-72BU prototype doesn't mean it is incompetent.

*Yawn* You are better off asking Kunal Biswas in Arjun and T-90 matters. Get it off this thread please. Let's take it there.

Thanks for correcting the T-55 part (y)

Welcome to the party

you can inform Kunal and company to argue as much as they want, most welcome

 

[Dazzler]

73,000 actually. Destroyed in '03. Not now.



T-72B variant.
@Dazzler, a few poor arguments from your side noticed - 1) Boron Carbide is not integral to Burlington.
2) Boron Carbide isn't the best - See methos's latest posts there.
3) The reason for using DU in the first place was its low cost, not effectiveness. Tungsten has been in use from the 1930's for AP rounds.

@AUSTERLITZ, don't get pissed, leave this to me if you are not able to handle it.

t-72bm aka object 187 turned into early t-90 with cast turret, t-72bu aka object 188 turned into t-90A with welded turret.


* Apart of low cost, Depleted Uranium by its nature, is much dense than tungsten or other carbides, on impact, it has more chance of penetrating the armour.

* Boron carbide is extremely hard and brittle, but it is used as a component with other elements such as silicon aluminium hardened steel etc allowing much resilient composite module.

 

[Dazzler]

Notice the APFSDS at extreme left, appears similar to 3VBM-13 projectile with 3BM-32 assembly, named Vant, which is a DU round, penetration value for this round is 500 mm @ 2000 m @ 0 deg, 250 @ 60 deg

interesting!

http://www.bandepleteduranium.org/en/3vbm-13-125mm-apfsds-t-round

 

[Dazzler]

POF

125 mm above, 105 mm below..

 

[Dazzler]

 

[Dazzler]

Arjun APFSDS round...

seconf round from left, typeIIM also visible other standard, older 125 mm APFSDSes

 

[Dazzler]

 

[Dazzler]

 

[Dazzler]

type-IIM claimed penetration of 1100 RHA thick armour...

normally we can see 150mm ,180mm, 220mm, 250mm RHA targets at our shooting ranges....,in those academic papers of early 1990s we could find many test results on 150 or 180mm target...nowadays, 220mm and 250mm targets appear very often ...many other composite armor targets are also used , for example:204mm thickness Type681 composte armor target(80mmRHA+20mmRHA+glass fiber-reinforced plastic+corundum)....

the RHA targets in the range...it's not a pic of ours,but no much difference.

 

[Donatello]

type-IIM claimed penetration of 1100 RHA thick armour...

What Pakistan Army tanks can fire this? And are we equipped with these rounds?