AZADPAKISTAN2009
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Well once we will have the ships in hand we will see how well they perform , and what will need to get added etc
I mean it is a addition no doubt an extra ship but I am sure it can be improved
I agree such a large vessel can't just roam about on its own , that is why I was wondering can we at least guard it with some missle boats we have or the missile boats we have can only fire anti ship missiles and nothing for air defence?
It would be have been fantastic if we had got all the air defences on boats intact and been given a choice to upgrade the air defence with something modern
Now I will use an example , sorta like not navy related example but makes a valid point
But see the thing is , in WW2 , when germans had their special tanks , their 1 tank was able to take out 100-900 tanks and the difference was that the german tanks could aim while in full speed mode (I saw this on the german tanks ww2 documentary)
so if we compare the scenario ..... and also the germans aim/accuracy was far greater then allied tanks
Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Knispel
Just to state the obvious , 195 kills by 1 ace tank commander
Reference:
Michael Wittmann
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Wittmann about 100-200 kills by one tank
Having 1 Brand new Ship - is worth having 10 old ships in my book
if the old ships lets say fire their canoons 5-10 times the new ones can fire it 10-20 times and that resulots into greater damage to enemy boats
New ones can also remain in stealth mode and sneak in on unexpected older ship
Similarly , if we also go back
Ottoman vs British-French-Russian fleet at the Battle of Navarino
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Navarino 20 October 1827
Here Ottomans lost badly becasue their naval fleet although big in numbers were ill equioped with lesser cannons
Strength
Allied forces (Winners)
10 battleships
10 frigates
4 brigs, 2 schooners
Ottoman (Losers)
3 battleships
17 frigates
30 corvettes
28 brigs, 5 schooners, 5/6 fireships
quality > quantity
So in naval battles , small differences make a big difference
and having second rate air defence is pretty much suicidal
again its my opion based on what happend in past wars ....
Thank you for the note on the computer onboard updates on OHP if that is the case its a good news , hope we are not running on systems from 70's in side the boat
It is a wonderful ship ... but ... you know what they say , the item made just recently will outperform something made 4 years ago, here we are dealing with 30 years gap
Which can be overcome with trained crew and modifications and improvements but I think its absolutely no match for any of the latest frigates coming out in modern navies of world
Gap fillers are great but we are not a nation that can afford gap fillers we need to buy item once for 20-30 years ... and spend good money on it
I mean it is a addition no doubt an extra ship but I am sure it can be improved
I agree such a large vessel can't just roam about on its own , that is why I was wondering can we at least guard it with some missle boats we have or the missile boats we have can only fire anti ship missiles and nothing for air defence?
It would be have been fantastic if we had got all the air defences on boats intact and been given a choice to upgrade the air defence with something modern
Now I will use an example , sorta like not navy related example but makes a valid point
But see the thing is , in WW2 , when germans had their special tanks , their 1 tank was able to take out 100-900 tanks and the difference was that the german tanks could aim while in full speed mode (I saw this on the german tanks ww2 documentary)
so if we compare the scenario ..... and also the germans aim/accuracy was far greater then allied tanks
Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Knispel
Just to state the obvious , 195 kills by 1 ace tank commander
Reference:
Michael Wittmann
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Wittmann about 100-200 kills by one tank
Having 1 Brand new Ship - is worth having 10 old ships in my book
if the old ships lets say fire their canoons 5-10 times the new ones can fire it 10-20 times and that resulots into greater damage to enemy boats
New ones can also remain in stealth mode and sneak in on unexpected older ship
Similarly , if we also go back
Ottoman vs British-French-Russian fleet at the Battle of Navarino
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Navarino 20 October 1827
Here Ottomans lost badly becasue their naval fleet although big in numbers were ill equioped with lesser cannons
Strength
Allied forces (Winners)
10 battleships
10 frigates
4 brigs, 2 schooners
Ottoman (Losers)
3 battleships
17 frigates
30 corvettes
28 brigs, 5 schooners, 5/6 fireships
quality > quantity
So in naval battles , small differences make a big difference
and having second rate air defence is pretty much suicidal
again its my opion based on what happend in past wars ....
Thank you for the note on the computer onboard updates on OHP if that is the case its a good news , hope we are not running on systems from 70's in side the boat
It is a wonderful ship ... but ... you know what they say , the item made just recently will outperform something made 4 years ago, here we are dealing with 30 years gap
Which can be overcome with trained crew and modifications and improvements but I think its absolutely no match for any of the latest frigates coming out in modern navies of world
Gap fillers are great but we are not a nation that can afford gap fillers we need to buy item once for 20-30 years ... and spend good money on it
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